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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26904328 - 08/28/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It is not illegal to transport weapons across state lines for lawful purposes. Participating in a riot is not a lawful purpose.




I'm not disagreeing with that at all.  Someone didn't bother to actually read what I said and seemed to think that's what I was saying.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26904331 - 08/28/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Dude... again....

Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is illegal.
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You have no idea what youre talking about.

Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is a federal crime



I saw a video posted earlier of someone interviewing Kyle saying he crossed state lines to defend private property.  :shrug:




Yeah he’s screwed. He admitted his intent to participate in a riot. Like I said elsewhere, participating in a riot is not the same as rioting aka carrying on a riot. Rioting is the act. Riot is the event. Participating in a riot means going to the scene of a riot and being anything other than an observer.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26904337 - 08/28/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is a federal crime carrying a sentence
of up to 5 years. This makes it a felony. An indictable offense. You seriously have some reading to do.




I think what he's unclear on is what specific connection you are making between transporting the rifle across state lines (which you have repeatedly emphasized) and any criminal act. Like are you suggesting that that the transportation of the rifle itself was illegal, riot or no? Or that it's supporting evidence that his intent when crossing state lines was to participate in a riot? Or that it should increase the severity of the charges for crossing state lines to participate in a riot, as compared to crossing for a riot without the rifle? Etc.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26904341 - 08/28/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If all they have is him saying he's going to defend property, I doubt there will be any charges pertaining to rioting or they'd probably be up there already.  However, knowing what we know about this kid (right wing, pro cop), I would not be surprised to find out there are messages in his social media describing shooting protesters or something to that effect, in which case it would be much easier to hit him with something riot related.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: koods]
    #26904346 - 08/28/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Furthermore you cannot claim self defense if you are willfully engaging in an illegal activity where there is a reasonable expectation of violence. For example if you are dealing drugs and someone pulls a weapon. Or you attend a riot. If riot comes to you, then that’s different


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: illuminati]
    #26904358 - 08/28/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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If all they have is him saying he's going to defend property, I doubt there will be any charges pertaining to rioting or they'd probably be up there already.  However, knowing what we know about this kid (right wing, pro cop), I would not be surprised to find out there are messages in his social media describing shooting protesters or something to that effect, in which case it would be much easier to hit him with something riot related.




The fact that he brought a rifle is strong circumstantial evidence he was aware that there would be rioting. The fact he said he was there to defend property is a slam dunk. Remember, he wasn’t even legally allowed to be on the street in the first place since there was a curfew. The driving across state lines just means he’s also broken federal laws that the justice department has highlighted as a primary focus of enforcement. Whether they will prosecute anyone who isn’t a leftist is another story.

This kid is fucked in so many ways

If it’s true he was given the gun by someone else in Wisconsin then I would expect that person to be charged for giving that gun to a minor in furtherance of participating in a riot

The kid is a minor. There are adults who are involved in facilitating these murders


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26904368 - 08/28/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Whether they will prosecute anyone who isn’t a leftist is another story.






DING DING DING!  Look, I see the evidence more or less the same way you do.  Do I think he went there to stir shit up?  Sure.  Do I think that's how the evidence we have now will play out in court?  Honestly, probably not.  Who are members of the judiciary?  Typically people who are friendly with law enforcement.  You might see "defending property" as "participating in a riot", but to them, those are two very different things.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: koods]
    #26904369 - 08/28/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What type of offense is it to break the curfew there? A misdemeanor? Something less severe like a ticket?


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26904373 - 08/28/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This is my original post
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Again, the felonious behavior is the fact that he is 17 (underage) and crossed
state lines with an illegal weapon WITH THE INTENT OF PARTICIPATING IN A RIOT.

Your question has been answered a dozen times. Follow the thread more closely and you
wont have to continually ask the same questions over and over




The weapon is illegal because he is a minor bringing it across state lines
for the purpose of participating in a riot. This has been said at least a dozen times.

The gun is not the issue. It's the person wielding it and their intended use of it.

Defending personal property does not fit here because it's not his property and
hunting laws absolutely do not apply.

The moment kyle raised his weapon he went from participating in a riot, to actual rioting. Felony. He then murdered 2 people. Felony

I will repeat one more time:

Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is a felony.

It is a misdemeanor for a minor to open carry a long rife for most scenarios, hunting excluded.

A minor crossed state lines to participate in a riot to defend property that wasnt
his with a weapon he was not legally allowed to posess.

What is the issue here with my position?


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: psi]
    #26904375 - 08/28/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Typically it's a fine of a few hundred dollars.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: illuminati]
    #26904385 - 08/28/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

+5 for carrying a gun during a crime. +7 for brandishing a gun during a crime. +10 for using a gun during a crime.

Ain't mandatory minimums grand?


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26904386 - 08/28/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The gun is not the issue. It's the person wielding it and their intended use of it.





Exactly; this is pretty much what I was trying to clarify to the person I was actually replying to.  Do I think he went there to cause trouble?  Yep.  Do I think that's provable in court with the evidence we have right now?  Probably not.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: illuminati]
    #26904408 - 08/28/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

@Fal- yes I think violating curfew is just.

I think exercising your right to bear arms is just. The law says there
are limitations though and kyle broke them.

I recognize though that the law also does not consider my moral code in deliberation.

Still, using 2 arguably just actions to unjustly murder 2 people and injure 1 is pretty shitty.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26904423 - 08/28/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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This is my original post
Quote:

natedawgnow said:
Again, the felonious behavior is the fact that he is 17 (underage) and crossed
state lines with an illegal weapon WITH THE INTENT OF PARTICIPATING IN A RIOT.

Your question has been answered a dozen times. Follow the thread more closely and you
wont have to continually ask the same questions over and over




The weapon is illegal because he is a minor bringing it across state lines
for the purpose of participating in a riot. This has been said at least a dozen times.

The gun is not the issue. It's the person wielding it and their intended use of it.

Defending personal property does not fit here because it's not his property and
hunting laws absolutely do not apply.

The moment kyle raised his weapon he went from participating in a riot, to actual rioting. Felony. He then murdered 2 people. Felony

I will repeat one more time:

Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is a felony.

It is a misdemeanor for a minor to open carry a long rife for most scenarios, hunting excluded.

A minor crossed state lines to participate in a riot to defend property that wasnt
his with a weapon he was not legally allowed to posess.

What is the issue here with my position?




I think the issue is that you have not really explained what exactly you may think is notable about his crossing state lines with the rifle.

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The weapon is illegal because he is a minor bringing it across state lines
for the purpose of participating in a riot.




You have lumped a few things together here (as in your original post you quoted). What specifically would be the charge that his crossing state lines with the rifle is relevant to, if any?


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: psi] * 1
    #26904437 - 08/28/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You have lumped a few things together here (as in your original post you quoted). What specifically would be the charge that his crossing state lines with the rifle is relevant to, if any?




Crossing state lines with a rifle is only legal if you may legally possess the rifle on both sides of the state line. Since it was illegal for him to possess his gun in at least one of the states, this opens him up to gun trafficking charges.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26904442 - 08/28/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, that makes sense to me.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26904457 - 08/28/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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@Fal- yes I think violating curfew is just.

I think exercising your right to bear arms is just. The law says there
are limitations though and kyle broke them.

I recognize though that the law also does not consider my moral code in deliberation.

Still, using 2 arguably just actions to unjustly murder 2 people and injure 1 is pretty shitty.



I agree with that.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26904481 - 08/28/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Glad we agree on some things.

@psi- not really sure how much better I can explain it. His posession of the rifle was
illegal so his transportation of it across state lines to participate in an indictable offense is illegal too.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26904486 - 08/28/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Got it, yeah that was the piece I was missing.


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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26904489 - 08/28/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No it fucking doesn't koods and you know it. Thats the horseshit they've used for years
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You have lumped a few things together here (as in your original post you quoted). What specifically would be the charge that his crossing state lines with the rifle is relevant to, if any?




Crossing state lines with a rifle is only legal if you may legally possess the rifle on both sides of the state line. Since it was illegal for him to possess his gun in at least one of the states, this opens him up to gun trafficking charges.



No there wouldn't be any evidence or any case at all for that. Ur also allowed to pass thru other states traveling with the guns are u serious. You other post over that is not how those laws work either.


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