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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26902297 - 08/27/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

With that first shoebox can you get a pic that's without flash? Makes it kinda hard to tell. The water beads look good though! PE's do well with a nice casing layer so I've read many a times. Look into a specific PE guide for more info on that particular mushie.

But I would say it's totally possible to get an oz off both those shoeboxes. How many cakes in each PE?

And with shoeboxes misting alot is gonna happen, I find the set and forget mostly applies to bigger mono's like 66qt and even then I find myself having to check up on it from time to time. I do notice you have alot of holes in that bag maybe a little less holes while colonizing and then add more when pins start popping throughout.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26902312 - 08/27/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Okay wonderful advice thank you very much. I think I will replace the bags on both because I feel like I did over-do the holes but I was worried about not making enough at first.

Let me grab a snap of that substrate without the flash like you asked.  A friend of mine who's very experienced with all of this suggested to me a while back that they don't like using casings that they think it's just another way to open your grow to contams. I've cased before but this will be the first time without doing it.

That being said, I'm still going to look into the casing idea for the PE's. although idk if it's too late to add a casing layer without screwing things up.


Here are those pictures. The Mycelium looks so much whiter in the picture's than IRL, and the corners when misted look like spider webs stretched over top of the myc that's why I was asking about cobweb, but it's probably just myc.

Looks like they're starting to get dry again already and I just misted them about 6 or 7 hours ago.



Edited by MisterKush (08/27/20 12:56 PM)


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26902429 - 08/27/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I did the same thing with my little mini I made way to many holes and it dried out the next day, like damnit lol learned quick. And from what i've read at 100% colonization PE benefit from about a 1/2 inch casing, little thicker than usual, because they take longer to actually pin and fruit so the extra microclimate is beneficial but plenty of people do no casing as well. And those tubs are looking pretty good I would say. A wee bit bacterial but ehh we are using BRF so to be expected. Maybe put those shoeboxes somewhere less airy for a while so moisture content can build up then move them back? I tried keeping mine on the floor of the room I use and seemed to help a little than keeping them higher up (since there are so many holes in bag). My monotubs seem to be doing good where ever haha.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26902516 - 08/27/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the response. I changed the bags and made much less holes lol.
Would you mind telling me where you see bacterial growth? I hope it isn't bad if it's really there. Will the fruits still be edible?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26902530 - 08/27/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

There is no mold that I can see so far but conditions are definitely fluctuating. You don’t want it going from soaked to dry every 24 hours, that’s going to lead to it getting all matted.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26902555 - 08/27/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks Pasty, so I'm thinking that the new bags I have on that have less holes will provide a much more consistent environment, and I will either make more or enlarge the ones I have once the pinset(s) arrive.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26903038 - 08/27/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I am slightly concerned about the lighting though. Keep in mind, these are just sitting in a closet that has one fluorescent light like a store would have and it's almost directly above the tubs but it's probably at least 7-8ft up, I mean it's ceiling height so....is this enough? Plus the grocery bags do a good job blocking light, I'm wondering if I need to grab a lamp? Anybody have anything to recommend? Am I good how I am now?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26903227 - 08/27/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Build a small tent like cover over the shoebox with wooden skewers and glad wrap then jab some holes in it like a mini grow tent

you can also use bubble wrap on the surface once its fully col if your having trouble getting pins


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Mtbromo]
    #26903262 - 08/27/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

okay, should I be getting pins by now?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26903280 - 08/27/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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okay, should I be getting pins by now?




Pins normally 10-21 days from spawning

12/12 light
70-80f
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Right moister conditions


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Mtbromo]
    #26903516 - 08/28/20 05:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well those all seem to be in check as far as I can tell, so I guess it's just the waiting game now. Today marks day 10


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26903602 - 08/28/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
There is no mold that I can see so far but conditions are definitely fluctuating. You don’t want it going from soaked to dry every 24 hours, that’s going to lead to it getting all matted.




So, is the idea to constantly keep the surface moist right before pinning? I understand you don't want it going from soaked to dry all of the time, but evaporation is a pinning trigger, correct?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26903757 - 08/28/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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MisterKush said:
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Pastywhyte said:
There is no mold that I can see so far but conditions are definitely fluctuating. You don’t want it going from soaked to dry every 24 hours, that’s going to lead to it getting all matted.




So, is the idea to constantly keep the surface moist right before pinning? I understand you don't want it going from soaked to dry all of the time, but evaporation is a pinning trigger, correct?





It is a pinning trigger AFAIK but you don’t want it going from soaked to dry overnight. It needs to be a gradual evaporation and never completely dry out.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26903768 - 08/28/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Okay cool, thanks brother I appreciate the input!


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26903979 - 08/28/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ugh, I just don't get it. I know my place is obviously pretty dry, but my substrate will dry within just a few hours of misting. Am I just not misting enough? I put new bags on them with less holes I thought that would have fixed it.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26904007 - 08/28/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Choose a different chamber/sub spawn ratio/use a casing/etc. Dialing in is all about balancing what you are doing with what your environment allows. I find shoeboxes dry out like a nuns cunt on Halloween. Monotubs or mini monotubs are better for me. I also like thicker coir top layers and lower spawn ratios with more sub.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26904054 - 08/28/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Choose a different chamber/sub spawn ratio/use a casing/etc. Dialing in is all about balancing what you are doing with what your environment allows. I find shoeboxes dry out like a nuns cunt on Halloween. Monotubs or mini monotubs are better for me. I also like thicker coir top layers and lower spawn ratios with more sub.




Yeah every single shoebox I've had either dried how way too quickly or got some type of bacterial infection. I have just started my first mini mono as I linked to you in a PM. I really hope to see better results from that than these.

Also as I have mentioned before, a friend of mine who is very experienced with all of this has suggested not using a casing. They said they don't do it because it just seems to be adding another unnecessary risk of contams. Thoughts on this?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26904101 - 08/28/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

A properly prepared casing isn’t a risk whatsoever. A coir top layer is pretty much impossible to fuck up.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26904196 - 08/28/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Would it be too late to do this to either or both of these at this point? Would it even be beneficial at this point


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26904436 - 08/28/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

At this point all you can really do is hold the course. Do better next time.


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