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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: qman]
#26903985 - 08/28/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Is there any word on what happened before someone started to chase him?
It's still unclear. Here's what I've pieced together from what I seen/read:
- Kyle was further up the road at a different business, with other militia members
- either Kyle walked away from the building and wasn't allowed to return by police, or police made Kyle walk away from the area
- while walking down the road Kyle was interviewed by a reporter and antagonized by more than one person
- also while walking down a street, an armed male claiming to be there to protect Kyle was present
- Joseph advanced towards Kyle and Kyle took off running towards the parking lot
That's where the video begins. Take this all with a grain of salt, but it's all the information I've seen up to this point on the events preceding the first shooting. .
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26904043 - 08/28/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now matter what mitigating circumstances may or may not explain some of his actions, he is still going to take felonies on the slam dunk charges, crossing state lines with a rifle to participate in a riot.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26904064 - 08/28/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: crossing state lines with a rifle to participate in a riot.
Don't get me wrong, I sure think this kid is guilty, but what felonies do you think he committed with those actions? If we can prove he went to "participate in a riot", sure there's probably something there, but there's nothing felonious about crossing state lines with a rifle.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: illuminati]
#26904247 - 08/28/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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He absolutely did it to participate in a riot.
Doesnt matter which team you play for, both teams are participating in the game.
He went as a counter protestor to purposefully put himself in a dangerous situation. Regardless of which side he was on, he was participating.
He actually started rioting the moment he raised his weapon.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: illuminati]
#26904260 - 08/28/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The rifle is the evidence he intended to participate in the riot (in addition to the interview). Just to be clear, participating in a riot is not the same as rioting, or “carrying on” a riot. Rioting is the act. A riot is the event. Participating in a riot is going to the scene of a riot and being anything other than an observer. Trying to stop people from smashing car windows, for example, is participating in a riot. If you cross state lines, you are violating federal law. The trump administration has been very vocal about enforcing this law and this seems like a good case to do so since it meets all the qualifications and it ended in deadly violence.
It is likely a federal felony for this kid to transport his gun across state lines as well
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26904264 - 08/28/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's really pretty simple. He could have stayed home and jerked off like a normal 17 year old.
Instead, he grabbed his rifle, drove across state lines, then ran around until he found a reason to use that rifle. All he had to do was to stay home and be a regular jerk off, what he did is a lot more pathetic than that.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26904267 - 08/28/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: He absolutely did it to participate in a riot.
Doesnt matter which team you play for, both teams are participating in the game.
He went as a counter protestor to purposefully put himself in a dangerous situation. Regardless of which side he was on, he was participating.
He actually started rioting the moment he raised his weapon.
Hey, you don't need to convince me this kid went looking for trouble. I have my doubts as to whether that intent will be proven in court, but we'll see.
I'm really questioning what someone thinks is felonious about traveling over a state border with a rifle.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26904272 - 08/28/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Now matter what mitigating circumstances may or may not explain some of his actions, he is still going to take felonies on the slam dunk charges, crossing state lines with a rifle to participate in a riot.
His attorney claims state lines were not crossed with that rifle. That rifle never left the state of Wisconsin. It belonged to someone else.
Or so the lawyer claims.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: illuminati]
#26904275 - 08/28/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Again, the felonious behavior is the fact that he is 17 (underage) and crossed state lines with an illegal weapon WITH THE INTENT OF PARTICIPATING IN A RIOT.
Your question has been answered a dozen times. Follow the thread more closely and you wont have to continually ask the same questions over and over
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: mycosis]
#26904278 - 08/28/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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mycosis said: His attorney claims state lines were not crossed with that rifle. That rifle never left the state of Wisconsin. It belonged to someone else.
Or so the lawyer claims. 
Who said it's illegal to cross state lines with a rifle? It's illegal for him to be in possession of it without an adult, but I'm confused as to why people are hung up on the crossing state lines thing.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26904280 - 08/28/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Again, the felonious behavior is the fact that he is 17 (underage) and crossed state lines with an illegal weapon WITH THE INTENT OF PARTICIPATING IN A RIOT.
Your question has been answered a dozen times. Follow the thread more closely and you wont have to continually ask the same questions over and over
The problem here is that you're wrong. Crossing state lines with a firearm, even as a 17 year old, is not a felony. If he were 18, it's not a crime whatsoever. I'm still combing through the legislature to find what the charge would be for "rioting" but maybe you can point it out since you seem to be so well versed in the laws here.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: illuminati]
#26904283 - 08/28/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude... again....
Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is illegal.
He was illegally in possession of a firearm that he transported across state lines to participate in said riot. Are you even reading the thread?
The law has been posted in this thread and others at least 5 times. If you dont know the law then fine keep posting stupid shit and we'll keep laughing at feigned ignorance.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26904287 - 08/28/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Federal anti-riot act says everything you need to know
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26904290 - 08/28/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Dude... again....
Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is illegal.
Post the legislature
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He was illegally in possession of a firearm that he transported across state lines to participate in said riot. Are you even reading the thread?
Yes, I'm reading. It's clear you're not or you don't understand the difference between felonies and misdemeanors.
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The law has been posted in this thread and others at least 5 times. If you dont know the law then fine keep posting stupid shit and we'll keep laughing at feigned ignorance.
No, it hasn't. In fact, if you go back and read a bit more carefully, you'll see that I've been one of the people posting the laws here. The laws being posted, if you had actually read them, are in regards to whether self defense could be used as an affirmative defense for Kyle.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: illuminati]
#26904302 - 08/28/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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illuminati said:
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natedawgnow said: Again, the felonious behavior is the fact that he is 17 (underage) and crossed state lines with an illegal weapon WITH THE INTENT OF PARTICIPATING IN A RIOT.
Your question has been answered a dozen times. Follow the thread more closely and you wont have to continually ask the same questions over and over
The problem here is that you're wrong. Crossing state lines with a firearm, even as a 17 year old, is not a felony. If he were 18, it's not a crime whatsoever. I'm still combing through the legislature to find what the charge would be for "rioting" but maybe you can point it out since you seem to be so well versed in the laws here.
These are federal laws. The crossing of state lines is how the feds get involved.
One clear cut violation of federal law is transporting a weapon across state lines while being a fugitive of justice.
The organizers of this militia event violated this law for organizing it and fucking Alex Jones should be charged for promoting it.
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18 U.S. Code § 2101. Riots U.S. Code Notes prev | next (a) Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent— (1) to incite a riot; or (2) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or (3) to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or (4) to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph— [1] Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. (b) In any prosecution under this section, proof that a defendant engaged or attempted to engage in one or more of the overt acts described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of paragraph (1) of subsection (a) [2] and (1) has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce, or (2) has use of or used any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including but not limited to, mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, to communicate with or broadcast to any person or group of persons prior to such overt acts, such travel or use shall be admissible proof to establish that such defendant traveled in or used such facility of interstate or foreign commerce.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: illuminati]
#26904303 - 08/28/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You have no idea what youre talking about.
Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is a federal crime carrying a sentence of up to 5 years. This makes it a felony. An indictable offense. You seriously have some reading to do.
I have no issues with guns. I shoot allll the time. Crossimg state limes to humt and crossing state lines to participate in a riot are not the same.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: koods]
#26904315 - 08/28/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said:
These are federal laws. The crossing of state lines is how the feds get involved.
One clear cut violation of federal law is transporting a weapon across state lines while being a fugitive of justice.
I think you guys are missing my point. The person I was originally replying to phrased their statement in such a way that it appeared they believe it's simply illegal to cross state lines with a weapon.
This is what was said:
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Don't get me wrong, I sure think this kid is guilty, but what felonies do you think he committed with those actions? If we can prove he went to "participate in a riot", sure there's probably something there, but there's nothing felonious about crossing state lines with a rifle.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: koods]
#26904316 - 08/28/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A bunch of people were charged and convicted of violating this law by traveling to Virginia to attend the rally in Charlottesville, for example.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26904318 - 08/28/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Dude... again....
Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is illegal. . . . You have no idea what youre talking about.
Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is a federal crime
I saw a video posted earlier of someone interviewing Kyle saying he crossed state lines to defend private property.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: koods]
#26904323 - 08/28/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is not illegal to transport weapons across state lines for lawful purposes. Participating in a riot is not a lawful purpose.
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