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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26902401 - 08/27/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

See, here's the thing about Kyle and Jacob.

When I ask my self what I'd do in their shoes, I find my self doing everything Kyle did from the moment we have the footage to see it. I would shoot to defend my self, I'd inform someone I had shot a man in self defense, I'd run toward the police to turn my self in, and I'd keep defending my self if others attacked me.

I'd do what Kyle did. Not that I'd be out there with a gun in the first place, but if you put me in those shoes as soon as it escalated, I understand his behavior of self-defense. We have ALL the video footage now.

But Jacob? I'd do the exact opposite of everything he did. :lol:


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
    #26902403 - 08/27/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Self defense?? Someone, unarmed, runs up to a fucker with an AR-15 and gets shot dead, you claim he acted in self defense?? Shut the fuck up and go fuck yourself Vahn.




Enjoy your warning/ban.




This is a pathetic comment for someone who just posted this earlier. You are one of the most intellectually dishonest persons I’ve ever dealt with.






It's called playing by the rules, mate. If we ALL can personally insult, then I'm fine with it. Can I start saying, "Fuck you, Koods" whenever I want? Cuz I really, really, want to say it... but I won't cuz I don't wanna get banned! :wink:


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902408 - 08/27/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yet the police not only allowed these thugs to patrol the streets, they encouraged it.




What the fuck? All of a sudden you're arguing for the cops to stop the rioting?




I want the cops to stop causing the riots. All this is happening because the police feel free to execute Americans in the streets. That is the problem. The riots are the symptom. It’s very hard to control the anger of people when they feel they have no recourse. MLK said riots are the language of the unheard. Start fucking listening. Stop making excuses for police violence and start demanding it stop. And stop fomenting violence with all your bullshit rhetoric about civil war. That’s the shit that motivates people like Kyle Rittenhouse to go to a place he has no business being and ends up killing people.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902412 - 08/27/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Self defense?? Someone, unarmed, runs up to a fucker with an AR-15 and gets shot dead, you claim he acted in self defense?? Shut the fuck up and go fuck yourself Vahn.




Enjoy your warning/ban.




This is a pathetic comment for someone who just posted this earlier. You are one of the most intellectually dishonest persons I’ve ever dealt with.






It's called playing by the rules, mate. If we ALL can personally insult, then I'm fine with it. Can I start saying, "Fuck you, Koods" whenever I want? Cuz I really, really, want to say it... but I won't cuz I don't wanna get banned! :wink:




I don’t care what you call me because I’m not a snowflake.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26902421 - 08/27/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Direct MLK quote cuz I'm sick of him being referenced as justification for rioting:

"I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned AS VIGOROUSLY as we condemn riots. In the final analysis a riot is the language of the unheard."

MLK is showing sympathy for the rioters but he is ACTIVELY condemning their behavior regardless. Much like you would discipline a teenager for their actions but still try to honor how they feel.

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I want the cops to stop causing the riots.




A riot broke out last night when a black guy committed suicide in Minnesota. The protesters thought the cops killed the guy. The rioters did their typical vandalizing and stealing of private property.

Cops aren't causing the riots, dude. What a pathetic excuse.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/27/murder-suspects-suicide-sparks-looting-unrest-in-minneapolis/


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
    #26902424 - 08/27/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I don’t care what you call me because I’m not a snowflake.




And neither am I. I just demand fairness across the board. Either we all get to insult each other or no one does. I really don't care which, I'll play on either level.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26902507 - 08/27/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Why are people saying they should have let Blake just drive away when it's now known he was there trying to steal the keys to drive away with 3 kids in the car? Lol what? If it's going to be as simple as just "they should just let him drive away" why couldn't it be as simple as "blake should have just not reached into his car after fighting with cops"? As if there is some gaurantee that the whole situation would have gone much smoother if they let him drive off and had to get him somewhere else at another time. Just as I thought, the situation is NOT as black and white as the media made it out to be.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902563 - 08/27/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902573 - 08/27/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I think they wanted to exercise as much restraint as possible until they were worried a weapon was involved.




Kyle Rittenhouse had just murdered two people and walked directly at an entire battalion of cops with a gun strapped around his neck while repeatedly touching it. They exercised so much restraint he got to drive home.




They didn't fucking see him do it, dude. How hard is this?



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I wanted to do a longer post on this, but I'll just link this video here for now.

Someone either edited the fire in or edited the fire out, I don't know which. I'm going to dig a little while longer, as now that I'm aware there are two videos, obviously one is fake.

When I grabbed and posted a video on this here, I thought they were all the same. Clearly they are not. I should have double-checked the one I posted better. I just thought the angle may have been different.



That's a backlit plastic grocery bag - not fire. Pause the video, zoom in. Post the image here.




Are you certain? What if it was just a shitty failed molotov that was thrown in a bag for extra sling momentum... but let's assume you are right. What was in the bag? Why did it travel like a rock instead of a bag? Why was it thrown at Kyle? (The answer to the last question is: most likely to cause bodily harm.)

This below is a great video from two different angles. The thing that strikes me most about this is Kyle doesn't flee the scene right away. He picks up his phone to call someone and tell them he just shot someone first. You can also see how aggressive this other idiot was toward Kyle. Even after the first shot missed (Kyle may have missed the first time intentionally to scare him), this guy just kept charging him. In fact, this guy was chasing him in the first place... for what reason?

The more I see, the more I'm convinced of self-defense, actually. My opinion keeps changing in real time with every new piece of info I'm seeing. This guy was ready to jump on Kyle.





If you believe in the law you can't think self defense. It's against the law for Kyle to defend himself even against imminent threats with his firearm for many reasons. Kyle was a criminal before the shooting which also makes any claim to self defense absolutely invalid. Take a concealed carry class. Particularly a Wisconsin one. If you're breaking the law you cannot shoot even if your life is in danger. Kyle wasn't legally able to open carry. Please be consistent and side with the law and order on this one. There's no self defense hypothesis for Kyle he is just a criminal thug


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26902579 - 08/27/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Damn I'm just now hearing of the rioting over a black man who killed himself. It almost makes it not even worth trying to talk to people that support the riots if this is how quickly they'll do it, just because there happened to be a white cop nearby when it happened. They won't stop or even apologize after they find that out either, I'm sure.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26902655 - 08/27/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He also shot criminal thugs. 2 of the guys were already either in prison for being violent or sexual assaults also.

Your signature is kind of contradictory too. The very acknowledgement of people not having a bad interaction with them negates the claims that all of them are bastards lol. Not to mention the fact that a huge portion of people don't even have encounters with them because they either are more discreet about breaking the law or they don't do things to bring them into contact with them.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence]
    #26902855 - 08/27/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

none of them are terrorists.  You have one side full of idiots and the other side defending property and themselves.  All thanks to the media.  The divisive media makes a lot of money off tragedies.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26903010 - 08/27/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
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Vahn421 said:
I think they wanted to exercise as much restraint as possible until they were worried a weapon was involved.




Kyle Rittenhouse had just murdered two people and walked directly at an entire battalion of cops with a gun strapped around his neck while repeatedly touching it. They exercised so much restraint he got to drive home.




They didn't fucking see him do it, dude. How hard is this?



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I wanted to do a longer post on this, but I'll just link this video here for now.

Someone either edited the fire in or edited the fire out, I don't know which. I'm going to dig a little while longer, as now that I'm aware there are two videos, obviously one is fake.

When I grabbed and posted a video on this here, I thought they were all the same. Clearly they are not. I should have double-checked the one I posted better. I just thought the angle may have been different.



That's a backlit plastic grocery bag - not fire. Pause the video, zoom in. Post the image here.




Are you certain? What if it was just a shitty failed molotov that was thrown in a bag for extra sling momentum... but let's assume you are right. What was in the bag? Why did it travel like a rock instead of a bag? Why was it thrown at Kyle? (The answer to the last question is: most likely to cause bodily harm.)

This below is a great video from two different angles. The thing that strikes me most about this is Kyle doesn't flee the scene right away. He picks up his phone to call someone and tell them he just shot someone first. You can also see how aggressive this other idiot was toward Kyle. Even after the first shot missed (Kyle may have missed the first time intentionally to scare him), this guy just kept charging him. In fact, this guy was chasing him in the first place... for what reason?

The more I see, the more I'm convinced of self-defense, actually. My opinion keeps changing in real time with every new piece of info I'm seeing. This guy was ready to jump on Kyle.





If you believe in the law you can't think self defense. It's against the law for Kyle to defend himself even against imminent threats with his firearm for many reasons. Kyle was a criminal before the shooting which also makes any claim to self defense absolutely invalid. Take a concealed carry class. Particularly a Wisconsin one. If you're breaking the law you cannot shoot even if your life is in danger. Kyle wasn't legally able to open carry. Please be consistent and side with the law and order on this one. There's no self defense hypothesis for Kyle he is just a criminal thug




I'm NOT always on the side of the law. Sometimes the law is wrong. It's important to have laws and to (usually) follow them, but every one of us breaks laws. That's why we're on the fuckin' shroomery.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #26903014 - 08/27/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Damn I'm just now hearing of the rioting over a black man who killed himself. It almost makes it not even worth trying to talk to people that support the riots if this is how quickly they'll do it, just because there happened to be a white cop nearby when it happened. They won't stop or even apologize after they find that out either, I'm sure.




It's a excuse for a bunch of lazy fuckwads to break into buildings and steal shit as well as other things like get their hard-on for arson related shit going.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26903476 - 08/28/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just because you have a gun doesn't make you a crime stopper.
It's literally part of carry law that you don't go looking for trouble. You
can't go looking to defend something with your gun besides your own life. That disqualifies you from being legally justified in shooting in Wisconsin.

Preclusion is Paramount to use of force situations with a gun, especially for civilians. He shouldn't have been there. Especially because he was breaking the law by being 17 and open carrying.

No lawyer that's any good will represent a client in a use of force situation if the person that is in hot water used his gun during the commission of a crime.

Kyle used his gun during the commission of a crime. He has 0 protections now. 0 claim to self defense, with gunshot(s), even with clear imminent threat.

It's always duty to retreat or evade the situation as well. Which cannot be said about Kyle.

He's going to cost tax payers millions over the rest of his life in prison


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26903596 - 08/28/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Direct MLK quote cuz I'm sick of him being referenced as justification for rioting:

"I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned AS VIGOROUSLY as we condemn riots. In the final analysis a riot is the language of the unheard."

MLK is showing sympathy for the rioters but he is ACTIVELY condemning their behavior regardless. Much like you would discipline a teenager for their actions but still try to honor how they feel.

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I want the cops to stop causing the riots.




A riot broke out last night when a black guy committed suicide in Minnesota. The protesters thought the cops killed the guy. The rioters did their typical vandalizing and stealing of private property.

Cops aren't causing the riots, dude. What a pathetic excuse.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/27/murder-suspects-suicide-sparks-looting-unrest-in-minneapolis/




Wow you really missed the point  of that quote


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26903739 - 08/28/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You could explain it, then.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 3
    #26903785 - 08/28/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Direct MLK quote cuz I'm sick of him being referenced as justification for rioting:

"I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned AS VIGOROUSLY as we condemn riots. In the final analysis a riot is the language of the unheard."

MLK is showing sympathy for the rioters but he is ACTIVELY condemning their behavior regardless. Much like you would discipline a teenager for their actions but still try to honor how they feel.

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I want the cops to stop causing the riots.




A riot broke out last night when a black guy committed suicide in Minnesota. The protesters thought the cops killed the guy. The rioters did their typical vandalizing and stealing of private property.

Cops aren't causing the riots, dude. What a pathetic excuse.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/27/murder-suspects-suicide-sparks-looting-unrest-in-minneapolis/



You missed the point of that quote so badly.

He's saying that if you condemn riots, then you actually need to be condemning the
system that led the people to riot, since rioting is the language of the unheard.

Please realise you are not fighting on the side of MLK, you are fighting on the
side that shot MLK.


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    #26903932 - 08/28/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Idiocy and fake biased media coverage led to the rioting. That's what I'll condemn.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #26903934 - 08/28/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Literally only police and their actions led to protests and riots

Also earlier you said something about how my signature didn't make sense to you so I'll help. If you were just born you haven't had a police encounter. You likely eventually will and it won't go well.
I'm white and not poor. I look well to do. And I've been harassed by cops on power trips.


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