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Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar.. ore sclerotia with cyans ????
    #26903333 - 08/27/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’ve got a fantastic strain growing that is even producing fruit in 95° weather in the middle of August the plates that I did last month look fantastic but I noticed today it looks like they have a little teeny pins growing in them what do you think

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26890405

  What I am trying to do and process so far thread
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26254987



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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26904018 - 08/28/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Wow very cool, it looks like a pin but hard to completely decipher from the pics. It really cool you have had success growing these, I heard they don’t yield very much? Do you have any pics of them fruiting indoors? I’m working on some agar plates now of Psilocybe Cy’s but was planning on fruiting outside.
I’m also confused that it will fruit in 90 degree plus temps, I thought that species was constrained to around 40-50 degree weather.


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #26904132 - 08/28/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow very cool, it looks like a pin but hard to completely decipher from the pics. It really cool you have had success growing these, I heard they don’t yield very much? Do you have any pics of them fruiting indoors? I’m working on some agar plates now of Psilocybe Cy’s but was planning on fruiting outside.
I’m also confused that it will fruit in 90 degree plus temps, I thought that species was constrained to around 40-50 degree weather.




All the growing is done outside but it has been between 80 and 90° the last three weeks during the time that the fruits have appeared

I’ll try getting some new photos tomorrow


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26904769 - 08/28/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Those look like knots where pins are gonna form to me. If they aren't ill be interested to see what they are.


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: MolecularConcept]
    #26920144 - 09/05/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Just a little update ,the pin  is definitely a mushroom



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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26933937 - 09/13/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Just a little update ,the pin  is definitely a mushroom






I did some agar transfers of this plate today, it had for more lumps grow and i was sure to clone just them on several plates
They wear very dense almost like a truffle , has anyone known of cyan doing stones before??


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26934038 - 09/13/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think many have looked for sclerotia with cyans. That would be quite the specimen!

Any chance it was a knot like another pin forming?


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: MolecularConcept]
    #26934118 - 09/13/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I didn’t want to destroy it as I wanted to clone it but it felt very dense.... denser than what a pin of a mushroom would feel like
I have grown alot of ATL#7 , it greatly reminds me of those stones but im sure it not as i already Have fruits from this culture


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26935289 - 09/14/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Now im wondering if the large lumps im seaing are sclerotia with cyans/ I’ve tried washing off of Pete Moss casing as well as I could but this is the best photo I could get



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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26938764 - 09/16/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

well shit, im just amazed. if it is a sclerotia, what does that mean?


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: MolecularConcept]
    #26939146 - 09/16/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If it is sclerotia it didnt apear in the grain spawn and being in alder sawdust, I don’t think you would want to eat it
But it would make the species a heartier species and more able to resist drying in freezing temperatures

The 5 gallon tube this is growing in was also the tube To produce fruits in the middle of August and 90° temperatures


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26939308 - 09/16/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Is P.cy's known to produce sclerotia?


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #26939461 - 09/16/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Is P.cy's known to produce sclerotia?




I have no idea I wish I knew if that was what this was


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26944284 - 09/19/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

After picking a few of them today I got some really good pictures
one of the mushrooms was growing directly out of a clump so I cut off from the area that it was growing on it looks white just like the sclerotia of ATL#7 does



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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26945808 - 09/20/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Damn that’s wild!


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #26947644 - 09/21/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

i know it keeps being said, but damn im still amazed! your absolutely going to clone this , right?  its starting to get cold at night here  have to bring my peyote inside at night. good temps for fruiting and im not ready!

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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: MolecularConcept]
    #26947885 - 09/21/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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i know it keeps being said, but damn im still amazed! your absolutely going to clone this , right?  its starting to get cold at night here  have to bring my peyote inside at night. good temps for fruiting and im not ready!

maybe spring




Yes I have what looks to be stones or mushrooms,stones or something like that on a couple Agar dishes I did and they are already cloned


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: MolecularConcept]
    #26949982 - 09/22/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Im confused, you are growing cyans in a tub with peat? And youre getting large clumps? Why are ypu growing cyans like this? Are you sure that the clumps are cyans and not something else? Its possible that they are a weird mutant but more likely that they are not what you thinknthey are


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: jason9086]
    #26950032 - 09/22/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

1... I bought the spores syringe from a trusted sponsor of Shroomers so I’m 99% sure it is cyan
2 ....I put a little bit of pasteurized Pete Moss on top of the alder wood chips to help keep them from drying out
3....The mushrooms are growing directly from the alder wood chips


4.... Alan Rockefeller has confirmed that they are Psilocybe Although he is not sure if they are cyan Because of them fruiting in 90° weather And has never seen lumps before with them
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26890405

My thought process is the inoculated wheat i used to mix into the older sawdust was not broke up small enough and any larger clumps continued to colonize and produce large clumps of mycelium

I guess all I can really do is just wait till normal cyan temps are  here to see what kind of Fruits they produce

I am using six clear totes only to see the progress of the mycelium I have this in several other types of containers also
When you use wheat to inoculate your substrate you have too many earthworms and birds and everything else that want to eat the wheat that is why it is in containers
Later on when I spread these in the wild I will break up the tubs that have already produced fruit and are fully colonized ALDER WOOD and this should greatly increase the chances of propagation

Regardless I have some kind of cyan mushroom or stone growing on my clean agar plates also


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26951592 - 09/23/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

interesting... i have some cyans that fruited in quite hot weather as well, in a region i wouldnt expect to find cyans (Sacramento region). I am also second guessing whether they are cyans, but what i can say is they are devastatingly strong and induce a huge amount of physical discomfort and an extremely derealized and dark trip. 1g is terrible and 2g is horrifying. Nowadays i only microdose with them an doses <0.1 g, i can even feel them at that dose and try to get it more like 0.05g

Sometimes i get knotting in old petri plates even woodlovers but NEVER actual pinning and ive never tried to grow in totes like that and ive never seen lumps like that. How odd.


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: jason9086]
    #26952368 - 09/24/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Jason9086, any pics of those mushrooms? I’m trying to get some P.cy myc going right now but spores from last season are just sitting on the agar and not germinating 🤔


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #26967739 - 10/03/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Well mushroms still havent changed their look... only one ore two a week but those stones are getting HUGE!...About the size of a baseball now
Im about 90% sure their not cyan now and tending to think they might be ALT#7 As I did recently grow these but I’ve never seen that species grow on wood



Anyways I recently got three syringes of cyan spores from a trusted cultivator so I’m in the process of redoing Agar And already have some measurable growth in three days


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26970525 - 10/05/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hi 99.99 this is very interesting. i have noticed sclerotia forming in species that have not been reported as sclerotia formers (P. subbalteatus). But, I am wondering if you are looking at an "abort". Some mushrooms form weird aborts that develop way beyond the pin stage. Some are even named after the aborts that they tend to produce (see Entoloma abortivum). It would be interesting to peek inside one of those nuggets to see the structure.


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: rud_dudl]
    #26971248 - 10/05/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Hi 99.99 this is very interesting. i have noticed sclerotia forming in species that have not been reported as sclerotia formers (P. subbalteatus). But, I am wondering if you are looking at an "abort". Some mushrooms form weird aborts that develop way beyond the pin stage. Some are even named after the aborts that they tend to produce (see Entoloma abortivum). It would be interesting to peek inside one of those nuggets to see the structure.




Yeah I haven’t thought about cutting one in half and looking at it
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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26972266 - 10/06/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

99.9, Please post a pic if you do open one up, it would be interesting to see. It's been a while since I've spent any time thinking about sclerotia, but if memory serves, it seems like they follow a similar developmental pathway to fruitbodies but diverge at or just before the pinhead initiation phase. I think that sclerotia have a distinctive outer rind (I could be mistaken here) and that if it is an aborted fruitbody (like that seen with Entoloma abortivum) you may see some wonky fruitbody-like anatomical structures inside the lump (like partially developed gills).


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: rud_dudl]
    #26972399 - 10/06/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I picked the largest one today in the top left corner it was like a fruit connected onto the Alderwood chips felt like a mushroom picking it the smell is very earthy and it is very solid but it also has a hole in the middle of it which I have not seen with other types of sclerotia




I have planted that stone in coir/Vermiculite mix that I normally grow ALT#7 in
Ill put it in my grow room and see what happens.... i’ve done this before with stones and they have produced fruit



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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26973251 - 10/07/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hi 99.9, thank you for sharing those pics, how cool! They look like sclerotia to me, even with the cavern in the middle, which I'm sure I have seen with P. tampanensis in the distant past. Also, as you probably know, sclerotia are dense mycelial aggregates. Judging by both the weight of the "stones" and the fact that they produce fruit, it seems pretty likely that you are looking at sclerotia. A microscopic look at the stones might help to clarify this, though.

Also, those fruitbodies do not look like P. cyanescens to me, of course, fruitbody morphology can vary wildly depending on environmental conditions. Do you have access to a microscope? It would be interesting to see if you could get a positive ID on the basidiocarps.
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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: rud_dudl]
    #26973590 - 10/07/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think what I’m going to do is just try and grow out the stone that I picked and see what becomes of it
I don’t have access to a microscope so growing the stone out will probably be my best hope of finding out if they grow differently inside like ALT#7


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #26973687 - 10/07/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Cool, please share your results!


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: rud_dudl]
    #27012615 - 10/30/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Bad news today people what I thought was cyan was actually ALT#7
I know this because the truffle I harvested grew out ALT#7 fruit and the master culture I thought was cyan also grew out ALT# truffles

Good news is I have already started my second attempt of my cyan grow

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=27012634&page=0&vc=1#27012634


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #27016959 - 11/02/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What is ALT#7? Do have a pic too?


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27017243 - 11/02/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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What is ALT#7? Do have a pic too?




Psilocybe galindoi (galindii) var. Georgia ATL#7 Large Sclerotia ore truffles



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    #27017296 - 11/02/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, got it thanks


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27017368 - 11/02/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hi 99.9, well good to know what you have there. Good luck with your P. cyanescens grow! R_D


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: rud_dudl]
    #27017469 - 11/02/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Already started my second grow Done with agar,Spawn And then mixed it in with the substrate last week

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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #27019859 - 11/03/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)


So this may be a good of a place as any to bring this up but I had a 4lb bag of cyanescens wood chips and it sat on my shelf for quite a while maybe a month and I slacked on doing anything with it. I’ve grown cinctulus before and seen it’s stones and what is in this cyanescens bag looks just like them. I broke one with my nail in one of the pictures you can see it. So decide for yourself. There all blue and very small but nonetheless look exactally like stones


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #27019946 - 11/03/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Oh wow thats cool,Maybe a pin can be thought of as a stone until it turns into a mushroom?
Would you able to taste it to see if it tasted like a truffle ?
The biggest thing that gave mine away to be in a stone producer was I actually tasted the stone that was in the agar dish and it was definitely from ALT#7....Which I cannot stand the taste of they make me quite nauseous



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    #27020293 - 11/03/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I was surprised you didn’t smell it but I guess if you just dumped it into the wood, the wood smell might have over powered it. I’m also surprised the alt colonized the wood what was your sub? Amazing they did so well on wood.

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    #27020300 - 11/03/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #27020345 - 11/03/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I was surprised you didn’t smell it but I guess if you just dumped it into the wood, the wood smell might have over powered it. I’m also surprised the alt colonized the wood what was your sub? Amazing they did so well on wood.

I already broke down the bag to a mini mono and cased it.




I used wheat berries for my substraight, I kind of think that is all they are growing on as theirs an area in the wood chips it hasn’t colonized yet
It never produced very much fruit either but lots of truffles....Nothing compared to my indoor grow though

The smell of the wood did overpower the smell of the mushrooms

The mycelium never grew past what it is in this photo


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Re: Is this Psilocybe cyanescens, Pining on agar [Re: 99.99]
    #27020372 - 11/03/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’m surprised it was able to digest it at all though guess it got to a point where the mycelium just could stomach it.


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