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help fruiting
    #26902445 - 08/27/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

FRUITING....What am I doing wrong?  Over the past couple months I have successfully colonized multiple jars from syringes including both GTs and PEs.  I get fully colonized cakes, give them an extra week before putting them in SGFC. I have followed the PFTek method and seem to fail at the fruiting stage.

1. Made SGFC 1/4" holes separated by 2" on all sides, bottom and lid (does have solid white lid)
2. Soaked perlite, drained, filled SGFC (depth about 2-3")
3. Dunk and Roll method for the cakes and put on foil on soaked perlite in SGFC
4. Spray sides of container several times a day.  Fan with lid to push out CO2.  Goes about 6-7 hours overnight without misting/fanning
6. Temp of room is consistently 73F (house AC set at 73, room gets down to 68 without use of a small desk heater placed in a corner placed far away from SGFC. (did jump up to 76F once for maybe 2 hours between misting before I got it set more consistently.)
7. Humidity is consistently between 90-99 in the SGFC and the area surrounding the SGFC is between 50-60
8. SGFC sitting on top of a dog crate (to get off floor, no dog obviously) against a wall that is perpendicular to the window.  Basic room bulb is also on and I am currently using a daylight fluorescent bulb directed at the side of SGFC
9. I turn lights off from 10pm to 6am aligning with the sun for the most part.
10. Slight blueing seems to start around day 10 on the more exposed parts of the cakes

I tried GTs (6 cakes) under these conditions (temps closer to 70F before getting heater and didn't use added daylight bulb, just the open window) for 20 something days before giving up, pulling out the cakes and breaking them apart to find that absolutely nothing seem to happen at all since I first put them into the chamber.  No pins, nothing that seem to start and then failed, just a solid cake of mycelium. 

I am currently trying PEs (3 cakes) with above stated conditions and am at day 13 with nothing going on. 



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Re: help fruiting [Re: politicodem]
    #26902466 - 08/27/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There's moisture missing.
Perlite not enough in heigth.
The more cakes, the more humidity.
Foil pieces a bit to big.
PE also takes longer to pin.
They'd do better in a humidity chamber.


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Re: help fruiting [Re: politicodem]
    #26902486 - 08/27/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

seems dry asf. Are you humidity is in between in 90 and 99 ?


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Re: help fruiting [Re: Martinsapin]
    #26902525 - 08/27/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A couple more inches of perlite would help and if its drying to the touch it helps to add some water stir and fluff as needed.


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Re: help fruiting [Re: Goatrider]
    #26902544 - 08/27/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you for your reply.

1. ok, adding perlite. to hold more moisture I assume?
2. Making foil squares smaller. (Tek did mention just large enough for them to sit on, doesnt mention why but I figured it didn't matter much as I have seen people lay a full sheet down)
3. will have to try more cakes next time, although I tried 6 with GTs. Think I can compensate with a smaller sgfc?
4. Make DIY humidity chamber.  Large enough to hold sgfc or replaces sgfc?

seems like my big miss then is moisture related seemingly from a lack of perlite, too much foil and too few cakes.  The blueing is probably related to this indicating the cakes are too dry?  The Tek acts like once you dunk and roll them, the vermiculite should retain enough moisture but this does not see to be the case.  When misting I blast the sides of the sgfc about 20 times which falls back on the cakes but never directly spray, correct?  Or should I do something more directly? temp around 73F and lighting are ok?


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Re: help fruiting [Re: politicodem]
    #26902553 - 08/27/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Given I need to correct these issues, should I do any kind of re-dunking of the cakes? Kind of start anew as it were or just correct my other moisture deficits and keep pressing forward with this "flush"?  Thank you in advance for all people bothering to read this, let alone, replying!


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Re: help fruiting [Re: politicodem]
    #26902618 - 08/27/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I would redunk them yes + correct moisture troubleshooting


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Re: help fruiting [Re: Martinsapin]
    #26902674 - 08/27/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Are these pins? (one larger, 2 smaller)



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Re: help fruiting [Re: politicodem]
    #26902713 - 08/27/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm idk what that is. Cake blobs maybe.

There’s way too much room in that chamber, I guess they work best packed full.

PE does take forever too.


I know pf tek is pushed as the easiest grow for beginners but imo shoeboxes are so much better. I did both when I first started and got an ounce off the shoebox by the time I had 3 grams from cakes, which I tortured because I had no idea what good surface conditions looked like or how to maintain them even if I did


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Re: help fruiting [Re: politicodem]
    #26902714 - 08/27/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like the start of a blob. PE probably isn’t a great choice for cakes. It will form blobs instead of mushrooms when you don’t apply a casing (when growing bulk style)

And for misting you definitely want to mist the cakes directly. Not hard right up on them but let the mist fall like rain. A SGFC gives a ton of fresh air so you need to really be watchful. A humidity chamber is just like the old school style without all the holes. You put water or perlite in the bottom and leave the lid cracked for fae.


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Re: help fruiting [Re: politicodem]
    #26902726 - 08/27/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't redunk them.  You can put some a small pile of verm on top and gently mist without blowing it off and wait 15min and repeat once or twice more.  After you have this small pile intact and stable you can then put a few cc of water on top as needed to help moisten the cakes.


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Re: help fruiting [Re: Mycochopper]
    #26902731 - 08/27/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The blueing is from too much air also so if there’s a fan or ac vent in the room I’d shut it off.

Definitely agree with humidity chamber being better than a sgfc too. Also way easier.


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