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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: dnkronic]
#26905313 - 08/29/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I’ve been listening to gun fetishists make arguments for three days.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#26905384 - 08/29/20 02:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: He was assaulted first by a charging man, then a man hit him with a skateboard and smacked him with it, then another man had a handgun. These are the people that attacked Kyle and these are the people Kyle shot.
When a man is charging you, you don't have time to analyze and ask, "is there any other way I can get out of this?"
No. You fuckin' shoot.
Even if Kyle was justified in self-defense against assault, was he justified in using lethal force in self-defense?
Furthermore, when a man shoots someone dead in front of you and then starts fleeing, you don't have time to analyze and ask, "is this a legitimate case of self-defence?"
No. You fuckin' respond to the threat. If you grant Kyle the privilege of self-defense, you need to give every person who tried to stop a fleeing murderer the same privilege. The fact that despite knowing this kid just shot someone, that even the dude with a gun in hand still refrained from using lethal force shows the restraint of these people.
Despite all your fear porn, these protesters aren't killers. They responded to a firearm murderer with minimal force in an attempt to get the gun. The coward responded to an unarmed running person with 4 shots point blank.
Fuck that murderous coward, and fuck the cowards hiding in the shadow who radicalized him and set him up that night
None of them saw what happened. They heard gun shots and someone yelled out "Get him" so they attacked him no questions asked. They got shot out of their own negligence to think before they acted and their decision to put themselves at risk by going to a riot in the first place. That doesn't mean anyone deserved to die or anything, but that's what ended up happening in a chaotic situation.
Seriously, when a group of people who were literally in the process of destroying cars suddenly charge at you, you run, you hear a gunshot from behind you as someone is chasing you, then they corner you try to pull your gun out of your hands what are you going to do? No doubt the guy planned to beat the crap out of him if not shoot him once he got his gun. Then another mob starts chasing him and he does nothing but try to run until once again someone tries to take his only means of defense from him so he fires, and only the ones attacking him.
It was clearly self-defense and it's clear he only resorted to firing his gun when running was no longer possible and he was imminent danger. I doubt he went there wanting to shoot anyone. He probably figured simply carrying a gun would deter anyone from attacking him in the first place and it turned out he was wrong.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Kizzle]
#26905511 - 08/29/20 06:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know if this has been posted already, but here's the court document
Some interesting info is that the first victim (Rosenbaum) had five gunshot wounds including one in the back.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: koods] 2
#26905578 - 08/29/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: I stopped when I saw his shirt
That's too bad. I listen intently to MY opposition.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Kizzle] 1
#26905582 - 08/29/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kizzle said:
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shivas.wisdom said:
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Vahn421 said: He was assaulted first by a charging man, then a man hit him with a skateboard and smacked him with it, then another man had a handgun. These are the people that attacked Kyle and these are the people Kyle shot.
When a man is charging you, you don't have time to analyze and ask, "is there any other way I can get out of this?"
No. You fuckin' shoot.
Even if Kyle was justified in self-defense against assault, was he justified in using lethal force in self-defense?
Furthermore, when a man shoots someone dead in front of you and then starts fleeing, you don't have time to analyze and ask, "is this a legitimate case of self-defence?"
No. You fuckin' respond to the threat. If you grant Kyle the privilege of self-defense, you need to give every person who tried to stop a fleeing murderer the same privilege. The fact that despite knowing this kid just shot someone, that even the dude with a gun in hand still refrained from using lethal force shows the restraint of these people.
Despite all your fear porn, these protesters aren't killers. They responded to a firearm murderer with minimal force in an attempt to get the gun. The coward responded to an unarmed running person with 4 shots point blank.
Fuck that murderous coward, and fuck the cowards hiding in the shadow who radicalized him and set him up that night
None of them saw what happened. They heard gun shots and someone yelled out "Get him" so they attacked him no questions asked. They got shot out of their own negligence to think before they acted and their decision to put themselves at risk by going to a riot in the first place. That doesn't mean anyone deserved to die or anything, but that's what ended up happening in a chaotic situation.
Seriously, when a group of people who were literally in the process of destroying cars suddenly charge at you, you run, you hear a gunshot from behind you as someone is chasing you, then they corner you try to pull your gun out of your hands what are you going to do? No doubt the guy planned to beat the crap out of him if not shoot him once he got his gun. Then another mob starts chasing him and he does nothing but try to run until once again someone tries to take his only means of defense from him so he fires, and only the ones attacking him.
It was clearly self-defense and it's clear he only resorted to firing his gun when running was no longer possible and he was imminent danger. I doubt he went there wanting to shoot anyone. He probably figured simply carrying a gun would deter anyone from attacking him in the first place and it turned out he was wrong.
I agree with you. This fantasy land where cops, who are humans, are all corrupt scumbags, but the rest of humans are nice, gentle people who you can talk to to de-escalate problems is bullshit hypocrisy.
EVERYONE is human. EVERYONE is imperfect. MOST humans are corrupt individuals who haven't risen above their biology but are kept in line by the system. Only a few humans are noble and just once laws fall apart. (And most of THEM are still naive enough to believe everyone else will be noble and just without law. I'm looking at you, Shiva, despite how much I respect you, you put way too much faith in humans to cooperate without rules.)
We do the best we can. If our cops aren't meeting our standards and we can't find better cops, it's because there aren't better humans.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26905600 - 08/29/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Part of the problem is police culture. Good cops calling out bad cops become pariahs for turning on the brotherhood. So this selects for cops who turn a blind eye to criminal behavior from their colleagues where it occurs.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: psi] 1
#26905604 - 08/29/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've never denied we have issues with police culture that need to be addressed. I think we absolutely need to take steps that require us to hold cops more accountable that doesn't involve the harming of random, innocent citizens.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26905609 - 08/29/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agreed.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: qman]
#26905630 - 08/29/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: L. Lin Wood, who defended Nick Sandmann when the media defamed him, is going to be assisting with Kyle's case.
Good. He's going to need help defending himself from people who want him dead for no good reason.
kid was acting in self-defense, period. All the footage shows it.
Anyone who thinks they wouldn't have fired in his situation is a liar or naive. For fuckin' real.
Is there any word on what happened before someone started to chase him?
We have several videos now of him discussing his intent, which includes defending a (his friends') business, the desire to administer medical aid to the injured, etc... and we have another shot of him cleaning up graffiti on a public city wall hours before the shooting.
Witnesses and official testimony coming out also say the mob recognized him from an earlier encounter and started to harass/chase him, which is where our footage starts.
Kyle didn't shoot until he heard gunfire and there was a man in his face charging him in a bee line.
Also, the gun he had never crossed a state line according to Kyle's legal defense (How do we know it's "true" other than he didn't live in the same state?) and Kyle had been working in that local community as a volunteer earlier that day, so he didn't cross state lines to participate in a riot as Koods suggested, he was already there for other reasons.
I'll try to find all the information later and compile it all in one place. I've seen in all in the last 24 hours, it's just going to take some work to bring it all together.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Kryptos]
#26905674 - 08/29/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Eh, it's illegal to give a 'tard a gun, and it's illegal for a 'tard to have a gun.
Might be worth mentioning at trial.
From what I read, which was statements from his middle school and high school classmates, he was socially maladjusted, but there was no indication he was retarded.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: koods] 1
#26905676 - 08/29/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No you’ve been listening to logical people make logical claims about guns. Get over yourself.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: dnkronic] 1
#26905690 - 08/29/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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dnkronic said: This may shed some more light.. looks pretty clear cut to me🤷🏼♂️
I don't agree with some of his major conclusions, but he was attempting to be balanced, and he articulated his views clearly.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#26905715 - 08/29/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said:
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Kryptos said: Eh, it's illegal to give a 'tard a gun, and it's illegal for a 'tard to have a gun.
Might be worth mentioning at trial.
From what I read, which was statements from his middle school and high school classmates, he was socially maladjusted, but there was no indication he was retarded.
They also thought he was a future school shooter
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: koods]
#26906935 - 08/29/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks like a MAGA hat got ventilated in Portland after firing a paintball gun at protesters and their property.
I expect the local MAGA hats to vehemently justify this murder, as it was a direct response to damaging property.
Edit: and, of course, a matter of self defense. Paintball guns are no joke.
Edited by Kryptos (08/29/20 11:54 PM)
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Kryptos]
#26906942 - 08/29/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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video seem to show him macing someone during an exchange of words on the sidewalk before being shot
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26906954 - 08/30/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fucking terrible. Being maced is hardly a reason to shoot someone. Maybe self defense could be argued but duty to retreat was completely ignored and now another person is dead, undermining the efforts of protests against police injustice and solidifying the idea that we need to be treated like animals since we behave like animals.
2 wrongs dont make a right and the shooter's actions are atrociously condemnable.
These shootings are being made into partisan issues and it's sad that nobody can just condemn this shit.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26907044 - 08/30/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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100% Self Defense, will most likely be acquitted. Maybe a gun charge. maybe. Ive watched all the videos from every angle multiple times and due to all the facts in the matter, that was purely self defense. And exemplary shooting to boot. Also he will probably become a multi-millionaire before its all over after he sues the fuck out of all the media companies that instantly called him a white supremacist looking for murder.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Azus] 2
#26907064 - 08/30/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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2,000 children go missing everyday and we're all worried about this shit and George floyd. Who cares what happened in this video! This shit happens every single day of the week ! Black men kill police officers on a regular basis and police officers kill black men on a regular basis. Why the fuck is everyone making a big deal out of it now? I fucking hate 2020! Things are starting to get so ridiculous that I'm starting to believe in the simulation theory. There's no way this shit can be real..
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26907133 - 08/30/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So apparently the guy was chasing him because he put out a dumpster fire with a fire extinguisher.Quote:
Vahn421 said:
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qman said:
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Vahn421 said: L. Lin Wood, who defended Nick Sandmann when the media defamed him, is going to be assisting with Kyle's case.
Good. He's going to need help defending himself from people who want him dead for no good reason.
kid was acting in self-defense, period. All the footage shows it.
Anyone who thinks they wouldn't have fired in his situation is a liar or naive. For fuckin' real.
Is there any word on what happened before someone started to chase him?
We have several videos now of him discussing his intent, which includes defending a (his friends') business, the desire to administer medical aid to the injured, etc... and we have another shot of him cleaning up graffiti on a public city wall hours before the shooting.
Witnesses and official testimony coming out also say the mob recognized him from an earlier encounter and started to harass/chase him, which is where our footage starts.
Kyle didn't shoot until he heard gunfire and there was a man in his face charging him in a bee line.
Also, the gun he had never crossed a state line according to Kyle's legal defense (How do we know it's "true" other than he didn't live in the same state?) and Kyle had been working in that local community as a volunteer earlier that day, so he didn't cross state lines to participate in a riot as Koods suggested, he was already there for other reasons.
I'll try to find all the information later and compile it all in one place. I've seen in all in the last 24 hours, it's just going to take some work to bring it all together.
I heard he was being chased because he had extinguished a dumpster fire. Not sure if that's true but there is a video of Kyle running past the camera with a fire extinguisher.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse: guilty or not guilty? [Re: Shenmue] 2
#26908725 - 08/30/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: 2,000 children go missing everyday and we're all worried about this shit and George floyd. Who cares what happened in this video! This shit happens every single day of the week ! Black men kill police officers on a regular basis and police officers kill black men on a regular basis. Why the fuck is everyone making a big deal out of it now? I fucking hate 2020! Things are starting to get so ridiculous that I'm starting to believe in the simulation theory. There's no way this shit can be real..
Because of the elections and its not "everyone" making a big deal of it, its the fake news media intentionally inciting violence so they can blame trump.
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