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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26901991 - 08/27/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It's like vindictive ex-girl friends where domestic charges and child custody issues exist never make up a sexual assault charges to get the upper hand in the family court system. Yeah, the men in these cases are now on the defense from these usually baseless charges against them.




That does happen, yes. Women who make false rape claims deserve it as bad as rapists.




So with that knowledge in hand, why would anyone bring up the fact that he had sexual assault charges pending?  It's very likely nothing more than a she said he said scenario. Most women that make up those very serious charges face legal zero ramifications as a result and they know that reality.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman] * 1
    #26902016 - 08/27/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

When it was pointed out the charges were pending and not for sure, I amended my stance to an "if, then."

I also clarified that he didn't "deserve" to get shot without a trial, but that if he was a rapist, I'm not gonna cry over his death.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902017 - 08/27/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If Kyle gets to walk away, so should Blake. Blakes offenses were far less, and he paid a much higher price.

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The boy turned himself in, dude. He. Turned. Himself. In.

And the other guy wasn't trying to get in his car. He opened his door to reach for something in his car. Watch the fucking footage, this is obvious. And it all happened AFTER a physical exchange between him and the cops. There's so much more than him, "opening the door" which is a completely disingenuous take on what actually happened.




You have on article that says the kid turned himself in on warrant in Wisconsin.

He was arrested in Illinois.

In case you missed it, these are two different states. Two different warrants were served, and he was arrested.

You are willing to assassinate Blake's character, but the murderer is cool.

And you are playing make believe about Blake. He was unarmed. All articles say so.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26902024 - 08/27/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The "kid" needed to be turned in. Show me one place where I said he should walk. If he resisted arrest and got shot, he'd be a fucking fool, too.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
    #26902031 - 08/27/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Kyle was walking towards the cops while repeatedly touching his gun AND he had just murdered two people. But “And the other guy wasn't trying to get in his car. He opened his door to reach for something in his car” is an excuse to shoot someone.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902036 - 08/27/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The "kid" needed to be turned in. Show me one place where I said he should walk. If he resisted arrest and got shot, he'd be a fucking fool, too.





He didn’t have to resist arrest because he was never put in the position. He fled the scene unmolested. Unknown if the cops took him to Burger King or not.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26902037 - 08/27/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He. Was. Resisting. Arrest.

And there is previous footage shows him in an actual physical altercation with the cops who had him on the ground ready to arrest him.

The other kid walked toward the cops with his hands up.

One resisted arrest and got shot. The other didn't resist arrest and didn't get shot.

My god, it's like there's some consistency with all this!


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902044 - 08/27/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I've also just read that officers used a taser unsuccessfully on Jacob Blake first.

Well, now the "they should have just tazed him" argument is gone.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902057 - 08/27/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He also had a knife on the floorboard of the driver's side of the vehicle. Exactly where he was reaching when he got shot.

"Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession during the investigation following the shooting, according to the DOJ.

State agents later recovered a knife from the driver's side floorboard of the vehicle, the DOJ said. No other weapons were located in the vehicle.."


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence]
    #26902063 - 08/27/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Also it's looking more and more like Floyd died of an overdose, since newer reports are mentioning some white substance in his mouth and the video showing him say he couldn't breathe before he was even on the ground, on top of him already having heart disease.




Where are you (and Qanon boy) getting your news sources that you think he died of an overdose? Has there been a new autopsy? The Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said he did not die because of drugs, so where is this coming from?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902070 - 08/27/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

they have clubs and oc spray, bruh.  these are supposed to be trained enforcers of the law, the thin blue line between you and the bad elements of society and several of them can't subdue one modestly sized man without shooting him 7 times?  that is flat out incompetence at best.  they got the jump on him and had all the weapons.  grabbing him by the shirt?  dude was walking.  put some hustle on, piggy, and tackle his ass if you're worried about him getting in the car.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26902072 - 08/27/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think they wanted to exercise as much restraint as possible until they were worried a weapon was involved.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902089 - 08/27/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I've also just read that officers used a taser unsuccessfully on Jacob Blake first.

Well, now the "they should have just tazed him" argument is gone.




The issue is that the public doesn't like how this was handled and it has to change in the future. Obviously, shooting someone resisting arrest isn't acceptable so alternative methods are going to be needed in the future.

The fact that a tazer didn't work STILL doesn't justify shooting him in the back 7 times from the public's point of view. Again, the times are changing and the police are the last to make that change, but ultimately they will conform to what our population wants out of them. The video camera is changing the nation we live in and law enforcement doesn't know what hit them from a PR point of view.

Conservatives and law enforcement can resist the new world of accountability, or they can do the right thing and make serious changes to how police deal with the public. The Elite don't want a dam thing to change at all, that's why they do things like this.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-boycott-live-updates-players-agree-to-resume-playoffs-thursday-playoff-games-postponed-per-report/live/

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/tennis/2020/08/26/naomi-osaka-wont-play-western-southern-open-semifinal-thursday/5640945002/

You see, from corporate America's perspective, this stuff doesn't cost them a dam penny and it gets people off their ass, but guess what? Who's ultimately responsible for the oppressive drugs laws, dangerous police forces and economic inequality?  They are.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman] * 2
    #26902099 - 08/27/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Obviously, shooting someone resisting arrest isn't acceptable so alternative methods are going to be needed in the future.




It has to be acceptable at times. We can't escape this reality.

I just found a video of two officers who refused to use their guns and they both got shot.

This is why tazing isn't always enough. They tazed the fuck out of this guy. They should have shot him. Period.



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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902104 - 08/27/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Having a knife in a vehicle is pretty common in my experience and definitely isn't justification for shooting someone in the back multiple times. I always carry a knife on me - it's a tool much more than it is a weapon.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26902107 - 08/27/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Reaching in your vehicle after resisting arrest is, however, good justification for a cop to shoot. Watch the video above.

Also, a new screenshot may prove Blake had a knife on him already.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
    #26902108 - 08/27/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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When you're compliant with the police there's this magical thing that happens where they are pretty much never going to shoot you, and it has nothing to do with the color of your skin. (And we all agree the cops that break this rule need to be hung.)




And no I don’t agree that cops that break the rule need to be hung. That’s you and your endless use of violent rhetoric, despite claiming you’re all about peace. They need to be held accountable.






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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902115 - 08/27/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Reaching in your vehicle after resisting arrest is, however, good justification for a cop to shoot. Watch the video above.

Also, a new screenshot may prove Blake had a knife on him already.



Please provide screenshots of Blake "reaching in" the vehicle or brandishing a knife. After your 'molotov cocktail' analysis, I'm not prepared to just accept your interpretation of video.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26902117 - 08/27/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I still need to get back to your post about that. I take longer with you, Shiva, because I prefer being more thoughtful in replying to your well written posts.

Literally just posted a picture on the last page. I posted a new article where the P.D. says they found a knife on his floorboard driver's side as well. The original footage shows him thrust reach into his car. He didn't open his door to step into the car. His body motions are not such.


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