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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
    #26901769 - 08/27/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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He had a warrant out for his arrest for allegations of violence and rape and he resisted.

I don't really have sympathy for people who sexually assault. You can make the argument I guess that the charges aren't proven to be true (though likely are), but a warrant is a warrant.




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The justification is his resisting of justified arrest and reaching for something in his car.




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I've never even punched anyone in my life, child. Violence isn't in my bones at all. Defending my liberty is, however.





Mental gymnastics intensifying.

Your argument might be worth listening to if you just came out and said that you think Blake deserved it, because at least you'd be speaking honestly.





I'm on the defense because people are talking about me again rather than my argument. It's like you all can't help yourselves. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing. From my perspective, every time you talk about me it's because you all don't have the brain capacity to stay on point with the argument.

And you're just trying to trap me and I'm gonna call you a liar for it. If I could rewind time and say "anyone" deserved to be shot (which I don't think, per ce), you'd just find another way to fault me. You know it, I know it.

I have no sympathy for rapists. If he wasn't actually convicted, the jury is out, but he resisted arrest in the face of a warrant and no one with a brain is shocked about what happened to him with this new information.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26901773 - 08/27/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Vahn just seems to enjoy watching people die. He'll make any excuse to keep his favorite form of entertainment alive and well.




I'd call you a fucking scumbag liar, but I don't want to be banned, so I'm not going to call you one.



Im not sitting here jumping through hoops defend murderers. So call me whatever you please.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #26901774 - 08/27/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Working out the nuances of the details of situations like these isn't hoop-jumping, it's exactly what courts of law do.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26901775 - 08/27/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Dude vahn, 2 pages ago you said you agreed with me when I said all criminals should see their day in court.

Now you're  saying he was a felon so fuck him?

Also, from what I've read, the rape allegation charge was dismissed.
Cases are usually dismissed for a reason, dont know it, but being charged and
accused is not the same as being guilty


Not sure why him being a criminal matters. CRIMINALS HAVE RIGHTS. Unless you seriously
forgot that you agreed with that already :facepalm:

I think it's hilarious that youre upset people are harping on you right now
when you just posted 3 articles meant to assassinate the character of a dead man,
killed by the hands of tyrannical police.

Seriously dude have just a little self awareness. You keep trying to make excuses
for a serious violation of civil rights


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26901777 - 08/27/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Talking about you instead of your argument? I think you're projecting again because the paragraph you quoted literally begins with "Your argument" and your response includes such gems as "you all don't have the brain capacity to stay on point with the argument."


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26901780 - 08/27/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have no problem descending to the level others choose to play on, Shiva.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26901783 - 08/27/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Dude vahn, 2 pages ago you said you agreed with me when I said all criminals should see their day in court.

Now you're  saying he was a felon so fuck him?

Also, from what I've read, the rape allegation charge was dismissed.
Cases are usually dismissed for a reason, dont know it, but being charged and
accused is not the same as being guilty


Not sure why him being a criminal matters. CRIMINALS HAVE RIGHTS. Unless you seriously
forgot that you agreed with that already :facepalm:

I think it's hilarious that youre upset people are harping on you right now
when you just posted 3 articles meant to assassinate the character of a dead man,
killed by the hands of tyrannical police.

Seriously dude have just a little self awareness. You keep trying to make excuses
for a serious violation of civil rights




It is IDEAL that all criminals see their day in court.

It will never happen in the real world because people resist arrest.

Now here is an obvious question: How can one even make it to court if they resist arrest?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26901784 - 08/27/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm on the defense because people are talking about me again rather than my argument. It's like you all can't help yourselves. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing. From my perspective, every time you talk about me it's because you all don't have the brain capacity to stay on point with the argument.

And you're just trying to trap me and I'm gonna call you a liar for it. If I could rewind time and say "anyone" deserved to be shot (which I don't think, per ce), you'd just find another way to fault me. You know it, I know it.

I have no sympathy for rapists. If he wasn't actually convicted, the jury is out, but he resisted arrest in the face of a warrant and no one with a brain is shocked about what happened to him with this new information.




When did I talk about you? I asked for honesty, and I pointed out your massively varying stances. You are involved, because they are YOUR opinions. If you don't want people addressing YOUR opinions, then shut the fuck up. Otherwise, carry on.

You argument about me being a liar is dumb.

You in like five posts claimed that he's a convicted rapist, he isn't and I pointed that out and talked about our freedom in this country to be innocent until proven guilty. You ignored these freedoms, but then conceded that he isn't convicted. Then you followed up by stating that you will defend your liberties. Being innocent until proven guilty is in fact a part of our constitutional guaranteed liberties, is it not?

Lot's of people with brains are shocked, as is evident by the long list of people wondering why the dude got shot. You acting like you are somehow smarter than everybody else, and indicating that those people don't have brains, is not an argument worth discussing. It's child's play.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26901792 - 08/27/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Dude stop.

You just said he was a felon and deserved much worse. You obviously dont believe
in the rights provided by the constitution.

You cant claim to want the ideal scenario, then post 3 articles meant to assassinate
the victims character, then when called out on it, turn around and say you
only justify the shooting cause he resisted.

You clearly justified the shooting based on his criminal record which goes directly
against your previous posts.

People shit on you because you cant stay consistent for one fuckijg page dude


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
    #26901793 - 08/27/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I was actually directing the liar comment more at the other posters engaging me, my bad. There's too much to reply to and I'm lumping it all together without added clarity. I apologize.

My accusations otherwise are meant to induce an ACTUAL reply. I don't actually think people are stupid around here, but I'm going to inadvertently call them stupid if they can't stick to the point.

And you made your point about convictions vs charges and I don't disagree, however he still resisted arrest and sealed his fate in doing so.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26901794 - 08/27/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Dude stop.




No.

And the shooting was justified on the resisting of arrest when he had a warrant out, not because he was a rapist. My LACK OF SYMPATHY is because he was (likely) a rapist.

Stop conflating my argument.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26901803 - 08/27/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No ones conflating shit dude.

You said you agreed that all criminals should see their day in court then you
posted 3 articles meant to justify his shooting based on his criminal record.

It isnt hard for anybody to go to the last page and see it. Your tactics are known
and the amount of dissonance you display is quite sad


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26901814 - 08/27/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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And the shooting was justified on the resisting of arrest when he had a warrant out, not because he was a rapist.




That simply isn't true. There isn't a law anywhere that I am aware of that says cops get to shoot people with warrants for resisting arrest. It would be a clear violation of our constitutional rights.

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One of the most sacred principles in the American criminal justice system, holding that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, each essential element of the crime charged.




https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/presumption_of_innocence

The cops are not the prosecution, and Blake was unarmed.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26901816 - 08/27/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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No ones conflating shit dude.

You said you agreed that all criminals should see their day in court then you
posted 3 articles meant to justify his shooting based on his criminal record.

It isnt hard for anybody to go to the last page and see it. Your tactics are known
and the amount of dissonance you display is quite sad





There is no inconsistency. I've agreed with you ideologically. Do I need to repeat my self? Fuck, I will anyway.

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I agree with all of this ideologically.




Do you need an vocabulary lesson on the word, "idealogical?" It means it would be nice if it could be that way, but it's often not grounded in reality.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
    #26901827 - 08/27/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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christopera said:
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Vahn421 said:

And the shooting was justified on the resisting of arrest when he had a warrant out, not because he was a rapist.




That simply isn't true. There isn't a law anywhere that I am aware of that says cops get to shoot people with warrants for resisting arrest. It would be a clear violation of our constitutional rights.

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One of the most sacred principles in the American criminal justice system, holding that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, each essential element of the crime charged.




https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/presumption_of_innocence

The cops are not the prosecution, and Blake was unarmed.




I think you're wrong about resisting arrest.

But for the sake of moral argument, tell me. When is it appropriate for police to shoot someone?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26901830 - 08/27/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Except you dont dude.

You specifically said if he was a rapist he deserved it and even more.
You really cant even keep your own position straight even when there is a copy of it on the last page.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26901834 - 08/27/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

When there is a danger to public first and foremost. There wasn't any here (unless you consider the police shooting up a dude for no reason). Or an imminent danger to the police. Blake was unarmed. So there wasn't any danger to the police.

They could have let Blake drive away. It's that simple. Then they could have gone and arrested him another day. Nobody gets killed, the dude gets his trial. The police don't look like tyrannical murders. Everybody wins!


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26901837 - 08/27/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Here's vahn usijg a criminal record to justify extra judicial killing
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Now that I know Jacob Blake was a rapist with a warrant out for his arrest, I have little to no sympathy at all for him being shot



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Fuck rapists, he may have deserved worse than what he got.





Crazy since he claimed to agree that all criminals should see their day in court


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26901840 - 08/27/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Except you dont dude.

You specifically said if he was a rapist he deserved it and even more.
You really cant even keep your own position straight even when there is a copy of it on the last page.




Here is what I said:
Quote:

Now that I know Jacob Blake was a rapist with a warrant out for his arrest, I have little to no sympathy at all for him being shot.

Fuck rapists, he may have deserved worse than what he got.




I will repeat my self. I have little to no sympathy for rapists and he MAY have deserved more than what he got. (Assuming he was a rapist.)

If you want to argue that rapists don't deserve punishment, hey man, that's on you. Dunno what planet you live on if that's the case, but hey, to each their own.

On the off chance the charges against him are bunk, I'd take back my words.

Should he have made it to court? Yes. Do I care that a rapist got shot for resisting arrest? Not really. One less problem in the world.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26901843 - 08/27/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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They could have let Blake drive away. It's that simple




How naive.


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