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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence] 1
#26901367 - 08/26/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Also it's looking more and more like Floyd died of an overdose, since newer reports are mentioning some white substance in his mouth and the video showing him say he couldn't breathe before he was even on the ground, on top of him already having heart disease.
He was fucking murdered. It’s on video. Wtf is wrong with you people?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26901420 - 08/26/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eminence said: So you want the cops to get him now, right?
Nobody here has said anything about cops not arresting criminals.
The argument is that criminals should not be killed extra judicially by police, and that police should be held accountable.
In fact, i have stated dozens of times that all criminals should see their day in court, including mass shooters like the parkland shooter or aurora shooter.
Nice try though dude. obviously you dont care about actually following a thread or logic, you only care about your own outrage
I agree with all of this ideologically. (except your accusation at the end, I think your opponent is arguing in more good faith than you give him credit for.)
I was going to say the same. He had a very good explanation, but then he took the low road with the last paragraph.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman] 1
#26901421 - 08/26/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Also it's looking more and more like Floyd died of an overdose, since newer reports are mentioning some white substance in his mouth and the video showing him say he couldn't breathe before he was even on the ground, on top of him already having heart disease.
Is the thesis that he swallowed drugs to avoid a possession charge and that was reason for death? Because I believe the toxicology reports showed that the levels of drugs in his system for a drug addict weren't anywhere close to a deadly overdose.
The burden on the drug OD thesis is that it must be proven that he would have died regardless of the police interaction and the knee on his head/neck for 10 minutes had nothing to do with his death. Does anyone honestly believe that's going to cut it in the court of law? I don't. 
Yeah. I haven't seen the toxicology report myself but I heard what they found in his blood. I assumed if it already showed that he didn't have enough in him to OD, then any sign of him swallowing something on video would be irrelevant at this point. But I did see weeks ago where he was saying he couldn't breathe before they even had him down. I don't know how many people die from being put in that position but obviously that and the heart disease mixed with those drugs and his freaking out didn't help him at all. So even if he wasn't choked maybe he still would've lived if he wasn't freaking out by the cops just being there.
I don't want anyone to ignore my last posts about that girl that was killed because I brought this up though. Just sayin
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26901473 - 08/26/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eminence said: So you want the cops to get him now, right?
Nobody here has said anything about cops not arresting criminals.
The argument is that criminals should not be killed extra judicially by police, and that police should be held accountable.
In fact, i have stated dozens of times that all criminals should see their day in court, including mass shooters like the parkland shooter or aurora shooter.
Nice try though dude. obviously you dont care about actually following a thread or logic, you only care about your own outrage
I agree with all of this ideologically. (except your accusation at the end, I think your opponent is arguing in more good faith than you give him credit for.)
I was going to say the same. He had a very good explanation, but then he took the low road with the last paragraph. 
I took no low road. My assessment is true. He assumed my position instead of just following the thread, which had he done, he wouldnt have had to incorrectly assume said position
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26901485 - 08/27/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The entire system needs to be rebuilt. There is no fixing this
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26901531 - 08/27/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just heard Styxhexenhammer say that Blake was threatening to grab a weapon from the car. Everything I try to type in just leads to more "police shoot unarmed black man" stories, does anyone have a link for this info? Styx isn't one to just say stuff unless he's read into it.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence] 1
#26901603 - 08/27/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Also it's looking more and more like Floyd died of an overdose, since newer reports are mentioning some white substance in his mouth and the video showing him say he couldn't breathe before he was even on the ground, on top of him already having heart disease.
You've got to be pretty dense if you think he would have dropped dead the same day he got a knee on him. He didn't OD lol.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26901693 - 08/27/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Speaking of what is going on in Kenosha, did you guys know Jacob Blake, the guy shot in the back 6 times, was a felon with a warrant out for his arrest? He was guilty of rape and domestic violence.
You know, the rioting would at least make a *shred* of sense if we were protesting actual good, benevolent citizens that have died. So far we have two crackheads who are both guilty of heinous crimes against their fellow man that resisted arrest like an idiot. (George Floyd may or may not have changed since putting a gun directly to a pregnant woman's stomach to rob her, but we don't know for sure.)
Rioters are burning the city down over the death of crackheads and rapists. Sorry, not all lives are equal and it has nothing to do with the color of your skin.
Now that I know Jacob Blake was a rapist with a warrant out for his arrest, I have little to no sympathy at all for him being shot.
Fuck rapists, he may have deserved worse than what he got.
Why are we letting THESE black men, who are really, really shitty men, be the poster children of this movement? How fucking dumb are people, really?
TBH, I think it's all politically calculated because they know critical thinkers aren't going to be happy about this the way I'm not happy, but that people ruled by their emotions will say, "How dare you!" anyway and it wont mater how illogical supporting a man like Jacob Blake really is.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
#26901700 - 08/27/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn just seems to enjoy watching people die. He'll make any excuse to keep his favorite form of entertainment alive and well.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#26901710 - 08/27/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Vahn just seems to enjoy watching people die. He'll make any excuse to keep his favorite form of entertainment alive and well.
I'd call you a fucking scumbag liar, but I don't want to be banned, so I'm not going to call you one.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26901723 - 08/27/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You are confusing charges with convictions, you can tell because there's a giant blue heading that says "Charges" directly above the things that are circled. Stop trying to assassinate Blake's character, it changes nothing.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
#26901735 - 08/27/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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He had a warrant out for his arrest for allegations of violence and rape and he resisted.
I don't really have sympathy for people who sexually assault. You can make the argument I guess that the charges aren't proven to be true (though likely are), but a warrant is a warrant.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 3
#26901738 - 08/27/20 07:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A warrant out for his arrest still isn't a conviction. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty, it's a core tenant of our democracy. Many fascist states don't have such protections. And again, attempting to justify 6 bullets to his back on account of a warrant is just silly.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera] 1
#26901741 - 08/27/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The justification is his resisting of justified arrest and reaching for something in his car.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26901744 - 08/27/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] 1
#26901745 - 08/27/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26901746 - 08/27/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've never even punched anyone in my life, child. Violence isn't in my bones at all. Defending my liberty is, however.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26901755 - 08/27/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: He had a warrant out for his arrest for allegations of violence and rape and he resisted.
I don't really have sympathy for people who sexually assault. You can make the argument I guess that the charges aren't proven to be true (though likely are), but a warrant is a warrant.
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Vahn421 said: The justification is his resisting of justified arrest and reaching for something in his car.
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Vahn421 said: I've never even punched anyone in my life, child. Violence isn't in my bones at all. Defending my liberty is, however.
Mental gymnastics intensifying.
Your argument might be worth listening to if you just came out and said that you think Blake deserved it, because at least you'd be speaking honestly.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
#26901757 - 08/27/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn your now resorting to character assassination to justify the shooting. That's pretty low.
You can't even pretend to be about law an order. You're just for whatever suits your prejudice
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26901764 - 08/27/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kyle wasn't allowed to open or concealed carry in Wisconsin. That means even if his life was in imminent danger he couldn't use his firearm to defend himself. He came here breaking the law like a criminal thug. He behaved criminally since none of his shootings can be construed as self defense. So where's the outrage for Kyle the rioter thug criminal
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