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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence]
#26900913 - 08/26/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Not to mention all the attacks that would have been considered attempted murder if these people were actually all being arrested.
Sound like the cops aren't doing a very good job, eh?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence] 1
#26900918 - 08/26/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Fuck curfew that is just another thing to shut down and criminalize any of the people protesting the cops.
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Vahn421 said: Ok so I'm looking at this footage even closer and I may be changing my mind again. Watch closely at the 30 second mark at the guy who throws an actual molotov cocktail at the kid with the gun. They run behind the car... I'm pretty sure it's that same guy who was shot... the guy that threw the molotov.
I've watched the footage over and over. The pants of the guy who threw the molotov cocktail and the guy lying on the floor in the footage afterward who was shot look the same. I think it's the same guy.
If it happens to be the same guy, I'm not gonna say the kid murdered anyone but did shoot in self-defense, not to protect anyone else's property.
Idiot shouldn't be out there with a gun in the first place, still, and whatever federal laws he broke with underage carry and crossing the border illegally with a firearm need to be addressed... but he's not a murderer IF he shot the guy who threw an actual molotov at him and then was likely coming after him afterward still.
Honest question: What kind of moron uses a molotov against a semi-automatic?
If someone throws a moltov towards you you don't get to shoot them 5+ minutes later. Especially if they're now unarmed. That's pretty simple shit
It wasn't 5 minutes later. It all happened in the same few seconds. Please watch the footage as I explained in my previous post.
I watched the footage. When he shot the guy in the head he ran towards him from at least 100-150 feet away. That right there proves it had absolutely nothing to do with any moltov cocktail.
Also duty to retreat would be the correct choice for anyone that was armed, besides police, who saw property crime at the gas station.
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Eminence said: Glad you actually called it rioting. That's a start. But it isn't helping anything, they're just giving more support to the right and also police because innocent people are being caught up in the bullshit just for "being in the way." Even the cowards that are putting up signs supporting these people are getting fucked over anyway. It's actually pretty crazy how many liberals and otherwise just registered democrats I've seen saying they're voting for Trump because stuff like this is getting so out of hand to them. But you're just blatantly lying when you say rioters haven't been murdering people. Not to mention all the attacks that would have been considered attempted murder if these people were actually all being arrested.
Who has died at the hands of protestors?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: greenladel] 2
#26900931 - 08/26/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's strange that the militia is worried about blacks going into neighborhoods that are not theirs and causing problems. Yet we literally had a kid from Illinois come up and murder people in cold blood.
pretending you're a badass That kids Facebook page looks identical to some thug posting guns and gang signs. Just that his gang affiliation is the thin blue line gang. Going to neighborhoods that are not yours to stir shit up
Kyle is 100% exactly what he is afraid of. A thug lowlife criminal.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26900955 - 08/26/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The dude committed multiple felonies that ended with him killing a guy. There is no evidence that was a molotov cocktail. I saw the vid there was no explosion of fire. If i'm wrong please point out the time stamp you see a ball of fire caused by a molotov.
This is a great example of you beimg hyperbolic dude
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26900959 - 08/26/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: It's strange that the militia is worried about blacks going into neighborhoods that are not theirs and causing problems. Yet we literally had a kid from Illinois come up and murder people in cold blood.
pretending you're a badass That kids Facebook page looks identical to some thug posting guns and gang signs. Just that his gang affiliation is the thin blue line gang. Going to neighborhoods that are not yours to stir shit up
Kyle is 100% exactly what he is afraid of. A thug lowlife criminal.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26900999 - 08/26/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Ok so I'm looking at this footage even closer and I may be changing my mind again. Watch closely at the 30 second mark at the guy who throws an actual molotov cocktail at the kid with the gun. They run behind the car... I'm pretty sure it's that same guy who was shot... the guy that threw the molotov.
My experience with molotov cocktails is that they generally involve an explosion of fire. C'mon, it's clearly not a molotov cocktail - it's a plastic grocery bag with whatever shit the person just bought before they got shot in the head. You can see them swing the bag by the handles as it's thrown, and you can see the bag just drop once it catches the air instead of continuing in an arc.
Plus, and I can't be too emphatic here, the absolute lack of any fire. This is your "molotov cocktail":
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Compare your detective work now to your earlier acceptance of video claiming to show the actions of an organized domestic terror group that fits in with your personal narrative:
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Vahn421 said: The most examination I did on PV was due to you, actually, and I found that after examining PV it did not change how I felt about the content of the videos
Okay so first you apparently acknowledge that, until I pressured you into it, you had done very little examination of Project Veritas as an organization itself - you like to take things on a case-by-case basis - except:
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Vahn421 said: I will concede upon finding the website for, The Base, that there is no concrete admission of them being linked to Antifa™.
Okay so apparently you didn't even do the most basic of fact checking by looking up the website of the accused organization until I did it for you. This leads us to the question: what exactly did you do before accepting the content as truth?
Because I'll tell you Vahn421 - you know what it looks like? - it looks like you will accept the most dubious of proof when it supports your narrative - and you will levy the most dubious of criticisms when it doesn't support your narrative. Do you not see the cognitive bias at play here?
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Vahn421 said: Let me answer this question directly one more time for the record and that is I usually let a lot of videos stand alone at face value if it's apparent to me the people in them are not actors. (This really is not hard to tell.) The most examination I did on PV was due to you, actually, and I found that after examining PV it did not change how I felt about the content of the videos. I either liked them or I did not, as I can usually spot deceptive editing on the spot anyway. I can usually tell when someone is being misrepresented or being portrayed honestly.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26901013 - 08/26/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Fuck curfew that is just another thing to shut down and criminalize any of the people protesting the cops.
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Vahn421 said: Ok so I'm looking at this footage even closer and I may be changing my mind again. Watch closely at the 30 second mark at the guy who throws an actual molotov cocktail at the kid with the gun. They run behind the car... I'm pretty sure it's that same guy who was shot... the guy that threw the molotov.
I've watched the footage over and over. The pants of the guy who threw the molotov cocktail and the guy lying on the floor in the footage afterward who was shot look the same. I think it's the same guy.
If it happens to be the same guy, I'm not gonna say the kid murdered anyone but did shoot in self-defense, not to protect anyone else's property.
Idiot shouldn't be out there with a gun in the first place, still, and whatever federal laws he broke with underage carry and crossing the border illegally with a firearm need to be addressed... but he's not a murderer IF he shot the guy who threw an actual molotov at him and then was likely coming after him afterward still.
Honest question: What kind of moron uses a molotov against a semi-automatic?
If someone throws a moltov towards you you don't get to shoot them 5 minutes later. Especially if they're now unarmed. That's pretty simple shit
There is no Molotov cocktail. Total hallucination. Where’s the fireball or smoke?
Doesn’t matter anyways. The shooter clearly runs at full speed 150 feet with gun raised towards the guy who gets shot. He was charging him. The victim is the one entitled to defend himself against the aggressive behavior of the shooter.
I wish people could be honest about this unambiguous footage.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26901017 - 08/26/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt on a moltov cocktail because by virtue of the video leading up to the headshot it became absolutely irrelevant. Even if it were actually a moltov big fucking deal because it didn't 1. Harm the shooter. 2. Cause him imminent danger any time that could be called reasonable before his commitment to discharging his firearm
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26901028 - 08/26/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If someone shoots gun and the bullet whizzes past your head. You turn around and by the time you see the shooter he's thrown the gun down. You can't shoot him. And even a cop shouldn't be able to.
So why do you get to run up to someone shoot them in the head after a maybe Molotov doesn't harm you and there's not another one about to cause you harm.
You don't bring your guns down to a protest to protect private property you don't own unless you're a cocksucker looking to act like a lowlife thug
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26901029 - 08/26/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: vinsue]
#26901035 - 08/26/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The kid is lucky there’s no death penalty in Wisconsin
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26901038 - 08/26/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hold up... yesterday vahn boasted about his ability to analyze videos for edits but apparently he can’t tell the difference between a plastic bag and a bomb
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26901054 - 08/26/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MagicMush123]
#26901067 - 08/26/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Vahn for once we agree 
Abolish the police usually doesnt mean to fully abolish. It is a right wing talking point based on fear mongering. Asking the fed to not give cops the same equipment our military uses against our enemies for use against american citizens is not abolishing police.
We pay their wages. Why are we treated, as a whole, as enemies? Every citizen can one day have such technology used against them. That is not ok.
One day they came for my neighbor and I said nothing, the next day they came for me and nobody was left to stand against them. If cops justify their actions because the peolle they kill are criminals, that sets a bad precedent. What is legal now may very well be illegal in a10 years or 10 days.
Well according to trump that equipment was just sitting in warehouses collecting dust, so they thought the police could make better use of them rather than sitting idle in a warehouse. Not arguing that they need that equipment per se but i can see the logic of repurposing it to police departments rather than destroying it
Im not really sure how defunding the police would make us any safer though. The police just need better training and different tactics while dealing with criminals or potential criminals. Something like 40% of murders go unsolved. If you defund them and provide them with less resources i wouldn't see their success rate for say investigating murders going up
Well, enforcing stupid drug laws is where a huge bulk of the criminal justice money goes into, so just by decriminalizing drugs we could cut the budget by at least 30-40% in my opinion. Also, when you stop the drug laws you also cut down on the violent crime, so there's another huge expense eliminated.
Just imagine not paying for millions of senseless arrests, court cases, incarnations, probation and so many other mis-allocations.
When it's all said and done, we could defund the police/criminal justice system by 60% and still enforce all the meaningful laws everybody demands to be enforced. So not only does defunding make financial sense, it makes sense in every aspect of our nation because we can see the status quo isn't working.
Im not saying i agree with keeping drugs illegal, but at the moment they are. We can discuss the merits of decriminalizing drugs or certain drugs but at the end of the day they still remain highly illegal.
If changing certain laws like drug laws results in less police spending and they require less funding as a result thats one thing. But to demand to defund the police while upholding all current laws is just asinine. They aren't even demanding to abolish drug laws for fuck sakes, they're merely demanding to "defund the police". I agree with you that the protesters are misguided because they're barking up the wrong tree. Instead of demanding that certain laws be abolished to make people's lives better they're demanding to defund the police while keeping everything else still in the place. It really doesnt make sense So no. Defunding the police does not make sense. But abolishing certain laws, like drugs does. The two shouldn't be conflated.
The first thing that needs to be analyzed when funding a government program (law enforcement) is to do a financial audit to determine if more funding or less funding is required for the goals of the program. To just assume that less funding would be problematic is fallacious reasoning.
We could cut funding and still have the entire police force if we reduce wages and benefits. So, that's one serious option.
We could cut patrols that have been proven to be a waste of resources. We could cut staff that have proven to be unnecessary. Companies trim the fat all the time and still have to produce the results. The police should be no different.
So I agree, the people demanding for defunding aren't given us the exact details on how they would defund, but I think the options are limitless in nature considering where the outrage is coming from these days.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26901152 - 08/26/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If someone shoots gun and the bullet whizzes past your head. You turn around and by the time you see the shooter he's thrown the gun down. You can't shoot him.
Rules of engagement go out the window when in a hotzone with rounds coming down range. Not agreeing with it, just saying hostile intent and action get blurred -and- I know this example is not a warzone but there are some synergies with fog of war. Its that type of confusion and misunderstanding that leads to police shootings. The only way to stop cop shots is to take away thier guns.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26901162 - 08/26/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rules of engagement don't go out the window on a city street and citizens get prosecuted in comparison to cops at a far greater rate I'm sure.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26901188 - 08/26/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Ok so I'm looking at this footage even closer and I may be changing my mind again. Watch closely at the 30 second mark at the guy who throws an actual molotov cocktail at the kid with the gun. They run behind the car... I'm pretty sure it's that same guy who was shot... the guy that threw the molotov.
I've watched the footage over and over. The pants of the guy who threw the molotov cocktail and the guy lying on the floor in the footage afterward who was shot look the same. I think it's the same guy.
If it happens to be the same guy, I'm not gonna say the kid murdered anyone but did shoot in self-defense, not to protect anyone else's property.
Idiot shouldn't be out there with a gun in the first place, still, and whatever federal laws he broke with underage carry and crossing the border illegally with a firearm need to be addressed... but he's not a murderer IF he shot the guy who threw an actual molotov at him and then was likely coming after him afterward still.
Honest question: What kind of moron uses a molotov against a semi-automatic?
If someone throws a moltov towards you you don't get to shoot them 5+ minutes later. Especially if they're now unarmed. That's pretty simple shit
It wasn't 5 minutes later. It all happened in the same few seconds. Please watch the footage as I explained in my previous post.
I watched the footage. When he shot the guy in the head he ran towards him from at least 100-150 feet away. That right there proves it had absolutely nothing to do with any moltov cocktail.
Also duty to retreat would be the correct choice for anyone that was armed, besides police, who saw property crime at the gas station.
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Eminence said: Glad you actually called it rioting. That's a start. But it isn't helping anything, they're just giving more support to the right and also police because innocent people are being caught up in the bullshit just for "being in the way." Even the cowards that are putting up signs supporting these people are getting fucked over anyway. It's actually pretty crazy how many liberals and otherwise just registered democrats I've seen saying they're voting for Trump because stuff like this is getting so out of hand to them. But you're just blatantly lying when you say rioters haven't been murdering people. Not to mention all the attacks that would have been considered attempted murder if these people were actually all being arrested.
Who has died at the hands of protestors?
I can name a few but right now every search us turning up with this kid that shot those people (and by the way in that video it doesn't even look like he's firing into the crowd, he turns back around right after hearing shots behind him as he walks backwards). But how about Secoriea Turner for one? An 8 year old girl who was shot and killed by BLM "protesters" that set up a barricade and her mom drove too close to it apparently, so they fired into her car. Are you going to play some kind of semantics game to prove a point here or something? Clearly they're not protesters if they are doing things like that. That's why people call them things like rioters. Nobody is talking about protesters because protesters only protest. They don't block roads and shoot at cars for trying to get through.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence]
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Also it's looking more and more like Floyd died of an overdose, since newer reports are mentioning some white substance in his mouth and the video showing him say he couldn't breathe before he was even on the ground, on top of him already having heart disease.
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#26901344 - 08/26/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is the thesis that he swallowed drugs to avoid a possession charge and that was reason for death? Because I believe the toxicology reports showed that the levels of drugs in his system for a drug addict weren't anywhere close to a deadly overdose.
The burden on the drug OD thesis is that it must be proven that he would have died regardless of the police interaction and the knee on his head/neck for 10 minutes had nothing to do with his death. Does anyone honestly believe that's going to cut it in the court of law? I don't.
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