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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26900412 - 08/26/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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That's called super spawning if you wanna check the search engine. But spoiler it's an old outdated method that probably causes more failure than success.




Pretty sure super spawning is the use of grain spawn as apposed to LC:shrug: almost everyone growing cubes super spawns.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26900446 - 08/26/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No. Super spawning is spawning a bulk substrate to another bulk sub.

Like colonizing 10 monotubs then spawning them to an outdoor bed.

Or colonizing a shit load of woodchips indoors for an outdoor wood lovers bed


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26900450 - 08/26/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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That's called super spawning if you wanna check the search engine. But spoiler it's an old outdated method that probably causes more failure than success.




Pretty sure super spawning is the use of grain spawn as apposed to LC:shrug: almost everyone growing cubes super spawns.





I’ve never heard it used in that context, AFAIK it always refers to the use of colonized bulk media as spawn.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26900472 - 08/26/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

As discussed in the advanced mycology thread:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26815276

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26900508 - 08/26/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I like blue helix but I wouldn’t take everything he says to the bank. Using grain is just spawning. If you go to alohas site they sell “mushroom spawn.” Also I got to disagree with the notion that all commercial outfits use LC exclusively. That’s just a big generalization that might apply in his region but certainly not globally. I know a few commercial growers that make spawn and I’ve heard of many who buy spawn. In fact it’s probably more common that farms buy spawn than use LC (certainly a lot of agaricus operations do this).

I can find a dozen old links where old hands call super spawning the act of expanding bulk to bulk.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26900513 - 08/26/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Spawn is just spawn. Using grain is just spawn.

LC straight to bags may be how he does it, but using spawn is just spawning.
Super spawning is spawning to bulk, then spawning that bulk to more bulk.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26900535 - 08/26/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

so what you guy's are saying is that super spwaning is terminology only used by the ahroomery to describe bulk substrate as spawn and that blue helix is off his Rocker?

I don't care either way, just asking.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26900542 - 08/26/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Super Spawning
Super spawning is also called "active mycelium spawning" vis á vis the Hunke-Till process. Essentially, a set
amount of substrate is inoculated and colonized in the normal manner. The fully run substrate is then used as
inoculum to spawn increased amounts of a similar substrate. One could theoretically pyramid a small quantity
of inoculum into a considerable amount of fully colonized substrate. This technique requires the primary
substrate to be contaminant free; otherwise contamination, not mycelium, will be propagated. The possibilities
inherent in this method may be of greater application when transferring naturally occurring mycelial colonies
to non-sterile yet mushroom specific substrates. An excellent example of this is the propagation of Psilocybe
cyanescens on wood chips. (See Chapter VI.)




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26900548 - 08/26/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Why did these prepless oats contaminate after 2 1/2 hr in pc


I wonder if this is the pin mold that I get when spawning to bulk

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Culliganman360]
    #26900554 - 08/26/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

did you vent the PC at full steam for 10 min?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen] * 1
    #26900555 - 08/26/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

fuck man, it's getting pretty irritating having to parse through some of the bullshit I hear "trusted cultivators" talking about. Pretty sure that's what the tag is supposed to prevent from happening. I get that everyone is human and makes mistakes but you have to admit that one hundred voices saying one hundred different things is why the internet is untrustworthy to begin with. Now who's trustworthy within the trusted community,  lol. Perhaps a new tag is needed, ultra trusted cultivator, maybe with some sparkles.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26900569 - 08/26/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I vent for at least 10 min . I just had sum auto contam on a wbs jar also but that had a plastic ball lid

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Culliganman360]
    #26900589 - 08/26/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Lol super tc.

I think for the most part tcs are reliable sources they just favor different methods.

There are rare ones that say some off the wall stuff occasionally but whatever.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26900604 - 08/26/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Knowledge evolves. Helix was made a tc 10 yrs ago or so.

Also, we are not robots. All tcs are entitled to their opinion and their mistakes.

No individual is perfect, why would a group be perfectly cohesive in their methods?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26900608 - 08/26/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah but that post was outright bullshit. What he described was not super spawning. So you take a half baked noob like myself that likely only has mushrooms grow because...



So I read that post back when it was originally posted and I thought "wow, never heard of that before, sounds interesting " I even seriously considered toying with the parameters of my own grows to see if it was worth while, trusting that because it was posted in advanced mycology by a "truated" cultivator and then commented on by other TCS without challenge, well..
It must be reliable...

Nope, not the case. I'm in a pretty bad mood so it likely doesn't help but having said that, how about a touch of fuckin objectivity, that would be helpful.

This is a science, there should be some level of objective consensus.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26900627 - 08/26/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Its not actually science though, its a hobby for most of us.  Read the quote at the bottom of my sig... I dont write anything down


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26900632 - 08/26/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Astronomy is a natural science, it's also certainly a hobby yet they have advanced the understanding of that science. I get that some of us are more serious than others, I expect a TC to fall under the serious category, calling what we do simply a hobby is not an excuse.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #26900635 - 08/26/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

well look at this way... TCs also helped you find the correct info :lol:

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26900638 - 08/26/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

you got me there ; )

I'm just a cranky old fuck.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #26900645 - 08/26/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If being a TC meant you couldn’t ever be wrong no one would get a tag. Many TC’s were made TC’s long ago when; the bar for what constitutes a TC was lower, when the general understanding of the hobby was less complete, and in an age where the internet barely worked. The nomenclature has evolved and gotten more precise. So it’s hard for some of the older hands to catch up.

Not sure what the solution is, I mean removing tags isn’t something the mod staff want to do...ever. At this point all we can do is be extremely judicious going forward and try to help the old hands where we can.

That post doesn’t belong in advanced though, if I was a mod there I would move it.

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