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Storing dried cubes??
    #26900630 - 08/26/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

How do you store your dried cubes? I am assuming that they are cracker dry. I read some people saying that they pack them together tightly like a brick. But if it’s cracker dry wouldn’t it get pulverized like that.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: pitriot] * 1
    #26900656 - 08/26/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I put them in a zip lock bag with a desiccant pack and put the zip lock in an air tight jar. Just put the jar in a drawer. Air tight jar with desiccant would probably be enough


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: hobbyguy]
    #26900690 - 08/26/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Cracker dry shrooms in airtight jar with desiccant pack is my preferred way.
You could powder them up and fit like 10x more in each jar.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26900702 - 08/26/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I would prefer not to powder them. Yet putting them hole in ziplock/jar takes up a lot of space.
It it feasible to press them together and stick them into a dehydrator?


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: pitriot]
    #26900865 - 08/26/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Personally I went and bought a vac seal, it does compress them pretty hard but they will last indefinitely if you toss a dried bunch in a vac sealed pack in the freezer.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26900901 - 08/26/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

pint masons, quart masons, one gallon masons.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26900970 - 08/26/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Personally I went and bought a vac seal, it does compress them pretty hard but they will last indefinitely if you toss a dried bunch in a vac sealed pack in the freezer.




Can you recommend a vacuum sealer?


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26900972 - 08/26/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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pint masons, quart masons, one gallon masons.




I am doing that now - pint and quart - but they just don't hold much. Good for a few oz but not much more.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: pitriot]
    #26901005 - 08/26/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just a 40$ one off amazon is the one I got, came with two rolls of vacuum bags to.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26901169 - 08/26/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What do you think of this one?  https://www.costco.com/foodsaver-multi-use-vacuum-sealing-and-food-preservation-system.product.100648022.html

Can these be used to seal mushroom grow bags as well (the one with the filter) ?


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: pitriot] * 1
    #26901171 - 08/26/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I use 5 gallon buckets with multiple desiccant packs. I can fit about 2lbs per bucket.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26901190 - 08/26/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have had luck putting them in a mason jar with a desiccant pack and a hand warmer. The desiccant obviously keeps them dry and the hand warmer uses up the oxygen so nothing will oxidize. With the hand warmer  the lid pops down from vacuum, normal air is 20.9% oxygen so if you take that out with the hand warmer you have effectively reduced your internal air pressure about 1/5.
I have an awesome (expensive) vacuum pump and I have at times put the jar with the hand warmer and the desiccant pack and the mushrooms into the vac chamber and drawn it down to 500 microns, I could go more but the canning lids look like they are going to implode when I take it out.
What my friend does is grind them up and put them in capsules, and then put that and a desiccant pack and a hand warmer in jar. That definitely makes them easier to store. i think he gets just shy of .5g in a 00 capsule if he packs them tight. That figures out to just shy of 9 ounces in a canning jar if you put 500 in it, but I think you could probably fit more like 600 in a quart jar.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26901397 - 08/26/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I use 5 gallon buckets with multiple desiccant packs. I can fit about 2lbs per bucket.




You mean after you dry them I presume in a dehydrator you store them in a 5 gal bucket?


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: pitriot]
    #26901562 - 08/27/20 02:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yes get em cracker dry


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26901610 - 08/27/20 05:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You have basically described the fundamental "problem" of storing shrooms. Every drug has its own particular needs for proper storage

For dried shrooms the problem is that they are brittle and inelastic. So the most compact way to store them is to grind them up in a powder

If you want them to remain whole and take up less space, then the best method would be a vacuum sealer. Can't really get any more compact than a bag that has had all the air sucked out of it. I don't have a vacuum sealer yet, so I can't recommend one

I just go the baggie and desiccant pouch in air-tight chamber(I've been using a cooler so far) route


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: meowjinx] * 1
    #26901641 - 08/27/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I use half gallon jars for my best stuff and can fit 4-5oz depending on how big they are and how much I compact them. One of them I kept pushing my fist into it and adding more and now it’s like a brick, I should’ve kept track but there’s gotta be 6oz in it. Most of them are crushed though.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26902296 - 08/27/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I use half gallon jars for my best stuff and can fit 4-5oz depending on how big they are and how much I compact them. One of them I kept pushing my fist into it and adding more and now it’s like a brick, I should’ve kept track but there’s gotta be 6oz in it. Most of them are crushed though.




Lol, yeah I end up with a bunch of broken, smashed cubes when storing them too, tbh. I'm not as careful as I should be when handling the bags. But buying a bigass mason jar sounds like a good idea


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: meowjinx]
    #26902300 - 08/27/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WQW7S7K/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This works great if you got the extra cash to spare, the one I mentioned before.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: pitriot]
    #26902425 - 08/27/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It all depends on how much you have to store. If you're just doing one tub or something then a jar is gonna be easy. A couple tubs and you should use gallon bags, you can fit about 1lb per bag. For real bulk buckets are the way to go, just make sure the lids are airtight.

It goes without saying that you should use desiccant for any storage method.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26902536 - 08/27/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WQW7S7K/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This works great if you got the extra cash to spare, the one I mentioned before.




I know it's more than 2 X the price but it's from Costco so anything not ok with it and it goes back.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: Kernale]
    #26902541 - 08/27/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It all depends on how much you have to store. If you're just doing one tub or something then a jar is gonna be easy. A couple tubs and you should use gallon bags, you can fit about 1lb per bag. For real bulk buckets are the way to go, just make sure the lids are airtight.

It goes without saying that you should use desiccant for any storage method.




Would you put a desiccant in a vacuum sealed plastic as well?


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: pitriot]
    #26902986 - 08/27/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think most vacuum sealers will work well... the biggest problem I’ve had is with off brand bags.. don’t skimp on those (food saver brand are great) and do two lines of seals, making sure the area you’re making the seal is clean.  I’ve also found that pushing down slightly on the top of the sealer while it’s making the seal, helps.

This is the guy I have. Here

Another trick is to cancel the vacuuming and restart it before it starts making the seal a couple times... that’ll let you get extra air out if you’re vacuum sealing a decent amount of dried fruits

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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: pitriot]
    #26903107 - 08/27/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Im actually not sure if you would need desiccant in a vacuumed bag. I would probably put a little in just to be safe but I don't have any experience with vacuum sealing. I just use gallon zip locks or buckets depending on how much I have.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: fahtster]
    #26903130 - 08/27/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I think most vacuum sealers will work well... the biggest problem I’ve had is with off brand bags.. don’t skimp on those (food saver brand are great) and do two lines of seals, making sure the area you’re making the seal is clean.  I’ve also found that pushing down slightly on the top of the sealer while it’s making the seal, helps.

This is the guy I have. Here

Another trick is to cancel the vacuuming and restart it before it starts making the seal a couple times... that’ll let you get extra air out if you’re vacuum sealing a decent amount of dried fruits

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I just picked up a Food Sever at Costco (they go on sale about once a year). Do you if these sealers like the one you have if they can be used to seal mushroom grow bags (when colonizing grain)?


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: Kernale]
    #26903131 - 08/27/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Im actually not sure if you would need desiccant in a vacuumed bag. I would probably put a little in just to be safe but I don't have any experience with vacuum sealing. I just use gallon zip locks or buckets depending on how much I have.




Which desiccant do you use?


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: pitriot]
    #26903214 - 08/27/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I think most vacuum sealers will work well... the biggest problem I’ve had is with off brand bags.. don’t skimp on those (food saver brand are great) and do two lines of seals, making sure the area you’re making the seal is clean.  I’ve also found that pushing down slightly on the top of the sealer while it’s making the seal, helps.

This is the guy I have. Here

Another trick is to cancel the vacuuming and restart it before it starts making the seal a couple times... that’ll let you get extra air out if you’re vacuum sealing a decent amount of dried fruits

Faht




I just picked up a Food Sever at Costco (they go on sale about once a year). Do you if these sealers like the one you have if they can be used to seal mushroom grow bags (when colonizing grain)?




I’ve wondered that myself.. I don’t use bags so I’ve never gotten around to needing to ask. I feel like the concept is the same but you can’t seal passed a few inches because of how they’re set up.. mine at least, so idk if that’d be a problem with grow bags

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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: fahtster]
    #26903220 - 08/27/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I put them in a zip lock bag with a desiccant pack and put the zip lock in an air tight jar. Then put the jar in the freezer.

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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: fahtster]
    #26903248 - 08/27/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I think most vacuum sealers will work well... the biggest problem I’ve had is with off brand bags.. don’t skimp on those (food saver brand are great) and do two lines of seals, making sure the area you’re making the seal is clean.  I’ve also found that pushing down slightly on the top of the sealer while it’s making the seal, helps.

This is the guy I have. Here

Another trick is to cancel the vacuuming and restart it before it starts making the seal a couple times... that’ll let you get extra air out if you’re vacuum sealing a decent amount of dried fruits

Faht




I just picked up a Food Sever at Costco (they go on sale about once a year). Do you if these sealers like the one you have if they can be used to seal mushroom grow bags (when colonizing grain)?




I’ve wondered that myself.. I don’t use bags so I’ve never gotten around to needing to ask. I feel like the concept is the same but you can’t seal passed a few inches because of how they’re set up.. mine at least, so idk if that’d be a problem with grow bags

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From what I've been learning of grow bags as I gear up to use them, they require a "plenum" aka a small pocket of air around the top where the filter patch is, so I dunno how well a vacuum sealer would work. Normally, if a person is gonna seal a bag they'll use an impulse sealer, which is kind of similar to a vacuum sealer, but without the vacuum part. They might sell a 2-in-1 sealer, haven't looked

Otherwise, people will use things like zip ties (my plan) or just fold the top tightly without sealing


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: meowjinx]
    #26903251 - 08/27/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Word.  The vacuum sealer I have and most that I’d imagine also have a sealer function (it’s how you can make your own sized bags from a roll of sealer bags).  the problem I can see is that a impulse sealer doesn’t have a back to it like a vacuum sealer so you can pull as much bag end through that you want and seal anywhere along the length of the bag... as long as you only need to seal the top 3” of a grow bag, the vacuum sealer can act as a 2-in-1

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    #26903258 - 08/27/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Word.  The vacuum sealer I have and most that I’d imagine also have a sealer function (it’s how you can make your own sized bags from a roll of sealer bags).  the problem I can see is that a impulse sealer doesn’t have a back to it like a vacuum sealer so you can pull as much bag end through that you want and seal anywhere along the length of the bag... as long as you only need to seal the top 3” of a grow bag, the vacuum sealer can act as a 2-in-1

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Cool, good to know. That extra function may make a vacuum sealer a worthwhile investment for me sooner rather than later. Thank you


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: meowjinx]
    #26903268 - 08/27/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The only other thing I’d worry about is if the food sealer bags are the same thickness as grow bags.. if they’re too much thicker, maybe you can to run the function more than once in the same spot... maybe someone has experience sealing grow bags with a vacuum sealer and can give more than speculations :popcorn:

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    #26903274 - 08/27/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The only other thing I’d worry about is if the food sealer bags are the same thickness as grow bags.. if they’re too much thicker, maybe you can to run the function more than once in the same spot... maybe someone has experience sealing grow bags with a vacuum sealer and can give more than speculations :popcorn:

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That's alright, just the idea of using it for multiple functions is enough help to get me started and do some research. Appreciate it


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    #26903287 - 08/27/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Im actually not sure if you would need desiccant in a vacuumed bag. I would probably put a little in just to be safe but I don't have any experience with vacuum sealing. I just use gallon zip locks or buckets depending on how much I have.




Which desiccant do you use?




I just use desiccant packets from amazon for bags. Any kind will work, I just get whats cheap at the time. Just don't use the loose desiccant as it will get all mixed up in the dust at the bottom.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: pitriot]
    #26903443 - 08/28/20 03:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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pint masons, quart masons, one gallon masons.




I am doing that now - pint and quart - but they just don't hold much. Good for a few oz but not much more.




I agree. You can get a lot of little ones into a quart, but not so many bigger ones, and I like to keep the shrooms intact as much as possible. Gallon mason jars are expensive, about $32 for two on Amazon, but they're worth it.


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    #26903528 - 08/28/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Dry em and put em in something. Like a bag, or a jar, or whatever. Don't over think it. As long as you dont let them get moist again they will last forever. Or at least as long as they need too anyway. People that say their mushrooms lost potency from storage probably grew bunk booms in the first place. I ate 4 grams last week of mush that I found on the dehydrator floor.  They were there for at least 3 months wgen I found them. I ran em again and made tea just in case they were dirty or whatever. No bag. No jar. Just shrooms in the hot humid garrage open air. I tripped balls. Had a very deep spiritual self healing experiance. Grow clones that are proven to be strong and you wont have any problems with (lost potancey)  if you got room in the freezer make tea from fresh mushrooms and freeze it in doses not beacuse it will last longer, its just beacuse fresh = more better IMO.


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    #26903533 - 08/28/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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pint masons, quart masons, one gallon masons.




I am doing that now - pint and quart - but they just don't hold much. Good for a few oz but not much more.




I agree. You can get a lot of little ones into a quart, but not so many bigger ones, and I like to keep the shrooms intact as much as possible. Gallon mason jars are expensive, about $32 for two on Amazon, but they're worth it.





Bro go get you a a gallon of pickles from wally world. 5.88 for a gallon jar and a gang of pickles.

Edit: did a price check to make sure I wasent talking out of my ass. They are 4.88 you could get 6 jars and more pickles than you could give away for the same price as 2 jars on Amazon. Sure that pickle smell takes some work to get gone but for a third of the price id say its worth the effort.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: meowjinx]
    #26904603 - 08/28/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I think most vacuum sealers will work well... the biggest problem I’ve had is with off brand bags.. don’t skimp on those (food saver brand are great) and do two lines of seals, making sure the area you’re making the seal is clean.  I’ve also found that pushing down slightly on the top of the sealer while it’s making the seal, helps.

This is the guy I have. Here

Another trick is to cancel the vacuuming and restart it before it starts making the seal a couple times... that’ll let you get extra air out if you’re vacuum sealing a decent amount of dried fruits

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I just picked up a Food Sever at Costco (they go on sale about once a year). Do you if these sealers like the one you have if they can be used to seal mushroom grow bags (when colonizing grain)?




I’ve wondered that myself.. I don’t use bags so I’ve never gotten around to needing to ask. I feel like the concept is the same but you can’t seal passed a few inches because of how they’re set up.. mine at least, so idk if that’d be a problem with grow bags

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From what I've been learning of grow bags as I gear up to use them, they require a "plenum" aka a small pocket of air around the top where the filter patch is, so I dunno how well a vacuum sealer would work. Normally, if a person is gonna seal a bag they'll use an impulse sealer, which is kind of similar to a vacuum sealer, but without the vacuum part. They might sell a 2-in-1 sealer, haven't looked

Otherwise, people will use things like zip ties (my plan) or just fold the top tightly without sealing




What I had in mind was using the Food Sever sealing without the vacuum for the grow bags.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26908556 - 08/30/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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pint masons, quart masons, one gallon masons.




I am doing that now - pint and quart - but they just don't hold much. Good for a few oz but not much more.




I agree. You can get a lot of little ones into a quart, but not so many bigger ones, and I like to keep the shrooms intact as much as possible. Gallon mason jars are expensive, about $32 for two on Amazon, but they're worth it.




The other week I picked up gallon jars at Big Lots for $6 each


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: pitriot]
    #26908597 - 08/30/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Dry until completely dry and store in anything air tight (ziplock bags are not air tight) if you want them to last long. I prefer vacuum sealing for long term storage. I only use desiccant packets when i have them and haven't noticed them being that helpful. Vacuum a little tighter if you want to save space. Pulverize in a blender and vaccum tightly or keep in mason jar to save tons of space. I prefer to keep pulverized fruits in the freezer because the actives are more vulnerable but i haven't done the tests to know if it's really needed. Airtight storage is an absolute must though.

A vacuum sealer can absolutely be used as an impulse sealer but i doubt would properly seal through the multiple layers of a gusseted grow bag. I wouldn't trust it anyways. Zip ties, tape, paper clips..... all kinds of things work for sealing bags but i prefer my 5mm impulse sealer. She's a beast.


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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26908604 - 08/30/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That’s what I was afraid of... thanks for input Verum.  :thumbup:

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Re: Storing dried cubes?? [Re: fahtster]
    #26908630 - 08/30/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

my pleasure

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Plus, i wouldn't like fucking around with trying to stick them in there unsealed. The pull through accessibility my impulse sealer affords makes work flow a breeze. You have to be cautious with an unsealed bag. Just like an open jar or plate.


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