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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
#26859745 - 08/02/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Specifically, Vitamin D-3 AND Vitamin K-2 together.
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So I bought a 5 pack of KN95 masks.
I have read a few articles on them. Apparently various organizations are having to throw them away because they do not offer the suggested protection rating. I won't get into the numbers and the stupidity, but one has no way of knowing how stringent the standards are held to in China. One might suspect that some Chinese manufacturers are intentionally misleading when they rate their masks marked for export.
Anyway, these KN95s have ear loops. I put them on and noticed right away they were loose. When I breath out most of the air exits at the edge of the mask near the nose. This was after forming the nose band to my face, but I tried to further adjust it to no avail. It's impossible to use them as intended and get any kind of protection. Air droplets will be carried with the flow and enter and exist through the gaps.
I tried various configurations of looping and tying knots and nothing. I held the mask tightly to my face and, success. I happened to have some elastic and some thread and needle. I cut the existing bands off and sewed on the new ones. Now I have working KN95 masks. Are they N95 rated? I do not know. I bought them from Lowe's but there's no guarantee anyone working for Lowe's has submitted the masks they sell for testing.
Interesting point, these masks were $3 a piece. The modification I did, mass produced, would cost maybe a penny more. So why do all these masks have ear loops? Who thought that would be a good idea? Did anyone who designed or submitted these masks to production try them on and notice it was impossible to form a seal? Do they care? Is it intentional? I do not know, but it's some serious bull shit.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26867384 - 08/06/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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also you can tie a kerchief over it to make it seal
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
#26890327 - 08/20/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A doctor in Spain not playing along with the current narrative.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26890423 - 08/20/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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personally I think testing is like kindergarden, it is keeping the people busy. sure it helps to inform the world of the results of tests, but in the story line where we get a vaccine, we do not need to test symptom free people - just continue to social distance, wear masks, and wash hands until we get the vaccine.
knowing you have antibodies still means you have to wear a mask. you still have to social distance, and wash hands. but all countries are doing this dance.
the high pharyngeal swab test is also prone to false negatives.
having remdesiver and a few other drugs makes treating plague sufferers better, but the vaccine will change the whole picture.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#26900163 - 08/26/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Infectious diseases expert and University of Edinburgh professor Mark Woolhouse:
“Lockdown was a panic measure and I believe history will say trying to control Covid-19 through lockdown was a monumental mistake on a global scale, the cure was worse than the disease,” said Woolhouse, who is now calling on the government to unlock society before more damage is done.
“I never want to see national lockdown again,” he added.
“It was always a temporary measure that simply delayed the stage of the epidemic we see now. It was never going to change anything fundamentally.”
“I believe the harm lockdown is doing to our education, health care access, and broader aspects of our economy and society will turn out to be at least as great as the harm done by COVID-19,” said Woolhouse.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26900217 - 08/26/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would not pick Woolhouse as an expert witness in any court.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
#26900253 - 08/26/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I called it back in March.
He does seem to be an expert witness. Why wouldn't you pick him?
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26900310 - 08/26/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would pick one to represent the consensus of scientific opinion within the ranks of those informed. Choosing an outlier in any field as the court's expert reference on esoteric matters is not a reasonable behavior for an equitable court.
These days for instance, astrologers are not used in courts as experts in anything but astrology matters which seldom come up.
your choice is good for a dissenting opinion.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines] 2
#26900362 - 08/26/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why do so many people who were against the lockdown conveniently leave out the fact that in the areas of the US where COVID first hit the hardest, many schools, restaurants and businesses made the decision to close days or weeks before the first government mandates were even discussed? Employees didn't want to come in, customers were staying home, they were seeing that one case in schools quickly turned into dozens of cases and continued to increase exponentially.
More than half of the people in this country either have pre-existing conditions that make them more susceptible to more severe COVID cases, or live with a loved one who does. Despite the very loud minority, the majority of people in the country want to avoid the virus and are in support of the logical actions needed to do so.
It's been a lose-lose situation since the beginning, politics and paranoia are muddying the waters during what should have been a time for the country to unite and get through this together.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
#26900426 - 08/26/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I would pick one to represent the consensus of scientific opinion within the ranks of those informed. Choosing an outlier in any field as the court's expert reference on esoteric matters is not a reasonable behavior for an equitable court.
These days for instance, astrologers are not used in courts as experts in anything but astrology matters which seldom come up.
your choice is good for a dissenting opinion.
"In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated in May that the coronavirus kills about 0.26 percent of the people it infects, about 1 in 400 people. New estimates from Sweden suggest that only 1 in 10,000 people under 50 will die from the virus, compared to 1 in 14 of people over 80 and 1 in 6 of those over 90."
Why not think for yourself?
Clearly there was a panic.
But it's not a "deadly disease" for the vast majority of children and working aged adults who eat right and get some exercise.
Whatever "consensus" there has been was rushed, based off of pre Co-Vid19 data, flipped and flopped, models proven wrong, etc.
Science is not God, nor is it immune from being politicized. The perception it is has carried weight and developed momentum and now that we know it's not worth shutting down economies we need to work on slowing that momentum, keeping the old people safe and getting everything else back to normal. Not that I think that's what will happen. There will be more coercive measures, if not outright forced vaccinations and criminal charges, and the economy will continue to decline which will lead to unnecessary deaths, homelessness, increases in various types of abuse etc.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz] 2
#26900445 - 08/26/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whether or not there are any more widespread lockdowns, the economic damage has already been done. The American economy is in the shitter, and it is my understanding that in many countries abroad the situation is similar. It will be a long time before prosperity is resumed for most of the country, and it will definitely get worse before it gets better.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26900527 - 08/26/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rahz you are swinging from extremes on covid.
On the one hand you won't use masks unless they are n95 with perfect seal, and yet you think that masks and shutdowns are stupid.
please find a middle ground and make a stand.
Consider human beings as messy phloogie mongers with filthy hands, making little aerosols where ever they go, and smearing their mess on everything they can touch.
and Consider Corona as a hydrophilic protein sheathed RNA virus that will fall apart if all the water is withdrawn from its protein shell. It lives in the air if there is moisture to keep its coat plastered around the RNA. Interestingly contact with copper or brass makes the viral protein sheath crack open too - it is related to molecular charges (ionic effects on protein).
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
#26900709 - 08/26/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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KN95 is very widely available now and can be converted to "good enough" N95 with some replacement elastic and a strip of soft foam. And yet people are content to use various cloth and surgical masks which are possibly 30% effective when worn correctly, which they're usually not, which does make most mask wearers stupid.
The fact that this issue still hasn't been properly addressed when the situation is so "dire" makes me wonder WTF is up with people.
So it's the system that's swinging from extremes. The virus is deadly! So throw a piece of cloth over your mouth with some loose ear loops and you're a good citizen and doing your part. It's ridiculous.
I took proper precautions in early March when little was know and the world was panicked. I continue to do it as a matter of habit and at this point something is needed to prevent negative exchanges with others in public places. At this point, the disease obviously isn't as bad as the cure. It's like a triple flu season, which sucks, but again, not worth all the consequences of the response. And DQ is right, it will get worse.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26900732 - 08/26/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: Whether or not there are any more widespread lockdowns, the economic damage has already been done. The American economy is in the shitter, and it is my understanding that in many countries abroad the situation is similar. It will be a long time before prosperity is resumed for most of the country, and it will definitely get worse before it gets better.
Agreed. It's almost impossible to get a small business loan right now. Savings have been depleted. Tax revenues will be pitiful. The real pain hasn't even set in yet.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26900750 - 08/26/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said:
Whether or not there are any more widespread lockdowns, the economic damage has already been done.
I wonder how people feel when Joe says he would consider a future nationwide lockdown.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#26901112 - 08/26/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No president should ever consider anything, let alone the opinion of the experts. He should simply take the word of the MyPillow guy and Jared Kushner and base pandemic-time public health policy on that.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
#26901289 - 08/26/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rahz said: .... And yet people are content to use various cloth and surgical masks which are possibly 30% effective when worn correctly, which they're usually not, which does make most mask wearers stupid. ...
The fact that this issue still hasn't been properly addressed when the situation is so "dire" makes me wonder WTF is up with people. ..... And DQ is right, it will get worse.
. indeed, "WTF is up with people". I guess folks basically operate at various levels of herd mentality, or monkey see, monkey do...ie. imitation. So folks default mode of operation is as follows: 1) if possible imitate 2) if that doesn't seem to work, emote, or manipulate in some other way 3) if forced to think - do not think - instead associate 4) always do as little as possible 5) if it is necessary to do something, choose what ever feels most pleasurable at the moment 6) Generally assume you are right 7) or your family, friends, club, gang, nation is right and that those you don't owe any favors to, are wrong. 8) if you feel confused, find someone or some group to blame 9) at all costs avoid sticking out, if possible. 10) you get the idea,... always know where you fit in the hierarchy, use it to your advantage, and don't start getting sensitive, or too caring, or ever give in to a creative idea in the odd event one sneaks out somehow.
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
#26901633 - 08/27/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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dude how is associating not thinking, duhh...
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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
#26902050 - 08/27/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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laughingdog said: . indeed, "WTF is up with people". I guess folks basically operate at various levels of herd mentality, or monkey see, monkey do...ie. imitation. So folks default mode of operation is as follows: 1) if possible imitate 2) if that doesn't seem to work, emote, or manipulate in some other way 3) if forced to think - do not think - instead associate 4) always do as little as possible 5) if it is necessary to do something, choose what ever feels most pleasurable at the moment 6) Generally assume you are right 7) or your family, friends, club, gang, nation is right and that those you don't owe any favors to, are wrong. 8) if you feel confused, find someone or some group to blame 9) at all costs avoid sticking out, if possible. 10) you get the idea,... always know where you fit in the hierarchy, use it to your advantage, and don't start getting sensitive, or too caring, or ever give in to a creative idea in the odd event one sneaks out somehow.
Herd mentality exactly. It's about feelings and social acceptance and on the other side about resisting authority and in some cases just not being concerned. It's also about fear of the virus but I don't expect a majority of people to do the research, see that their face cover is not much more than a social tool and figure out how to make it a reasonably effective sub-micron barrier.
I've looked at various polls. One taken in April suggests 14% more democrats wore masks (73%/59%). Asian Americans wore masks at the highest rate while white people wore them at the lowest rate. (82%/66%) with latinos and blacks in the low 70s. It wasn't included in the poll but I suspect women are much more likely to wear a mask than men.
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