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Neurotech
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Spawn bag stalls
#26898606 - 08/25/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello all. Been lurking for a few years, started growing recently, this is my first post. I need some help. My first grow was with a kit using 6 jars. It went well, with a bit over an ounce of fruits dried. So now I am using spawn bags. Two multigrain bags, each with a different strain. I inoculated using the oven door method, with spore syringes. Here is my timeline: 6/14 - inoculation. 6/24 - No mycelieum. I realized I did not unroll the spawn bags#$%! So I unrolled and allowed air in. 6/25 - Strain A showed some mycelial growth. 6/26 - both show growth. 7/22 (38 days since inoculation) - I still have only 40 to 60 percent. I drew a line around he growth to better monitor. 7/24 - some areas show about 1/8 inch growth past line drawn. 8/3 - minimal growth. I crushed and mixed Spawn bag A. 8/10 - seeing some growth on A, I crushed and mixed Spawn Bag B. 8/24 - (I will try to get pics in here soon) - substantial growth seen. It is 74 days since inoculation, 64 days since I unrolled to expose the vents. I drew a new line. 8/25 - today. I estimate Bag A - 95% of the surface is white. Bag B seems slower, with 65% white. Both bags have been at 76.1 degrees throughout. Wait? How long? Crush bag(s) again?
Thank you for any wisdom you can share!
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Re: Spawn bag stalls [Re: Neurotech]
#26898632 - 08/25/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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 Bag A Front
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Re: Spawn bag stalls [Re: Neurotech]
#26898650 - 08/25/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bag B Bottom
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Bag B Front
Edited by Neurotech (08/25/20 03:11 PM)
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Re: Spawn bag stalls [Re: Neurotech]
#26898931 - 08/25/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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BUMP for HELP please
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Re: Spawn bag stalls [Re: Neurotech]
#26899101 - 08/25/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The lines make it hard to understand exactly whats going on in your bags for me. I would assume if things are stalling off of an MS inoculation that there may be bacteria present. Really I don't see to much going wrong but i cant really tell. i know i have some jars that i put agar in and are slowing down, i cant tell why either but i would assume its either bacteria or mold because i had one jar turn slightly green on me.
Let er' run for a few more days and take progress pics for us, and more importantly hope some people with more experience give their opinion. Good luck!
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Thanks for the input. I will post pics tomorrow. I was thinking I may have delayed the whole thing by not allowing the vents to be open for the first ten days, but that was a while ago. Maybe the mycelium are battling and will be able to hold ther own. I am wondering most whether to crush again or if that is not a good idea. Thanks again. Anybody else?
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Re: Spawn bag stalls [Re: Neurotech] 1
#26899329 - 08/25/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would give them a shake again, and see if they reach 100% over the next 3-4 days. If they don't finish in that time, they're probably junk. You could still spawn them, but the yield will be garbage. Even now, taking >2 months and they aren't 100% suggests they are in bad shape. Having said that, those are some of the best kit bags i've seen yet!
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Thanks guys. I went ahead and crushed em up again. I'm sorry, everybody says shake, but its really crushing and mixing. I think I may have accepted the dissapointment enough to start a new batch while I see what this one does.
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Re: Spawn bag stalls [Re: Neurotech]
#26911712 - 09/01/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I gave them a shake. Actually crushed em up, and put them in the dark. The outside of the bags are 100% mycelieum now. When I crushed them up on 8/26 , they were mostly brown grains. I have heard that bags colonize from the inside out, but these were not white in the middle, just about 60% on the outside. These bags are getting old (> 2 1/2 months since inoculation). Any thoughts?
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Re: Spawn bag stalls [Re: Neurotech]
#26911764 - 09/01/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Grains generally stall either because they're dry af or heavily bacterial. You're bags look bacterial to the point I wouldn't even bother with them, so I'd say that's why they stalled. +2 months is too much for bags anyway and that's also an indication something's wrong.
Now that you just crushed them up you should observe how the mycelium behaves. You should toss them if they recover too slowly or no at all or even if they manage to colonize but you see lots of individual grains that won't colonize and funky stuff like metabolites and dense growth like cottage cheese.
Also, you don't need to put anything in the dark, that's way oudated. Mycelium has a circadian rhythm just like us and benefits from a 12/12 light/dark cycle.
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