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Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks?
    #26898252 - 08/25/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Okay, this forum has been unbelievably helpful to me with many questions, including mushrooms. So I want to throw this out there since I have seen several sites instructing us on how to make the butter or raw cannabis material for edibles. Seems like Cannabutter may be the way to go? But I am open to suggestions.

One site gives oven instructions, and lol even slow cooker instructions on making the butter. One question I have is that I kind of got stopped at the point of them suggesting a hand coffee grinder, so I was wondering if this is really necessary? I'll buy one if I have to, but I have an electric unit. I could be wrong, but it seems like the only reason they reccommend manual unit or hand-grinder is because grinding it too fine will cause the smaller particles to give an unpleasant taste to the cannabutter.

But what if I don't care about that? I am not looking to make brownies or anything. I mostly do a low carb diet, so to dose on edibles, I would prefer to east whatever the dose is in the form of the butter itself. Who gives a crap what it tastes like, right? :tongue2: Also, and the method to my madness is that if I am willing to deal with more "plant taste" in my butter, wouldn't it also follow that I would get more THC out of the process by wasting less? Not that this is a big factor.

Also, just as important, I am not married to the idea of sticking all the buds on a baking pan and baking it in the oven at the proper temp and time, then cheesecloth and blah. blah, blah. I am totally open to better and/or easier ways. I mean it. I am as new to this as I was to mushrooms back when I first joined about (wow!) 6 months ago. So hit me with all your awesome ideas, everyone!


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26898272 - 08/25/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

First off DECARB!!!!!!! Otherwise you are wasting your bud. This will convert all the THCA in to THC.

There's a chart on the perfect temperature I think 121f for 30 minutes is one of the best ways to go for decarbing in the oven. (but there are other temperatures and times you can use refer to the chart). Always do this first before making cannabutter or any other infused edible.

The old butter in slow-cooker works well, set it to low and leave it on for a few hours. You can add a bit of water to stop it from burning and freeze it off later to separate the water from the infused butter. Cannabinoids wont fuse to the water. (Again decarb first). Then filter with a cheese cloth and your done.

If you are after the quickest and easiest way I would invest in a micro-fiber herbal bag (there's 3 sizes for cannabis starting at 70 micron or something). And make Dry ice hash, incredible fast and easy. Then decarb the dry ice hash and you can chuck it straight into any recipe without cooking it in butter for a couple hours. Its a effective way to get all the goodness and fuck off the inactive plant material. And the taste is similar to cooking with butter.

I would personally not leave in the plant matter if making butter it is unnecessary and tastes horrible. The whole reason to use butter is to because the fat will absorb the cannabinoids rendering the plant matter more or less useless.

Just my 2 cents.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26898273 - 08/25/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Use ghee.  It’s wonderful with bud in it.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: Tripliping]
    #26898300 - 08/25/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

By the way! I forgot to ask lol Is there ANY WAY to decarboxylate without smelling up my entire neighborhood my whole house, and possibly making my neighbors all think they are walking around in a Cheech & Chong movie when they go out on their front porches?

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First off DECARB!!!!!!! Otherwise you are wasting your bud. This will convert all the THCA in to THC.




Of course. Even I know that lol. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked about baking, slow cooker, butter, etc.

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There's a chart on the perfect temperature I think 121f for 30 minutes is one of the best ways to go for decarbing in the oven. (but there are other temperatures and times you can use refer to the chart). Always do this first before making cannabutter or any other infused edible.




Yeah, I saw a couple of different sets of numbers, and they all look good. I like your suggested temp, as well.

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The old butter in slow-cooker works well, set it to low and leave it on for a few hours. You can add a bit of water to stop it from burning and freeze it off later to separate the water from the infused butter. Cannabinoids wont fuse to the water. (Again decarb first). Then filter with a cheese cloth and your done.




Yeah, cheesecloth is a definite. Totally agree.

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If you are after the quickest and easiest way I would invest in a micro-fiber herbal bag (there's 3 sizes for cannabis starting at 70 micron or something). And make Dry ice hash, incredible fast and easy. Then decarb the dry ice hash and you can chuck it straight into any recipe without cooking it in butter for a couple hours. Its a effective way to get all the goodness and fuck off the inactive plant material. And the taste is similar to cooking with butter.




I will look into this later. Right now I just want to get my feet wet and experiment with a low amount, say 7 grams (1/4 ounce) just to see what I get. But this way you suggest sounds more involved and I assume I would need to invest in some equipment of some sort?

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I would personally not leave in the plant matter if making butter it is unnecessary and tastes horrible. The whole reason to use butter is to because the fat will absorb the cannabinoids rendering the plant matter more or less useless.

Just my 2 cents.




Okay, fair enough. But if I am dosing low, and with 7 grams infused into say 1/4 or 1/2 pound of butter (though the recipe says a pound which I think is WAY too much butter for 7 grams), I would only be dosing with small amounts. I assume like 1/4 to 1/2 tsp of the butter. So to repeat my question, if I don't give a shit what it tastes like, wouldn't I get more of the THC out of the bud if I used an electric grinder and it ground it into fine powder, versus a hand grinder? Seems like basic chemistry to suggest that if I can live with the taste, wouldn't more surface area of the fine powder yield higher THC content in the butter?

Note: I will totally concede that if I want to use the butter for actual recipes and actual food, you are 100% right. And in the future, say if I start doing ounces at a time, and decide I want to bake brownies and cookies, then I would have to sacrifice a little THC I assume.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26898370 - 08/25/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

it is an excellent idea sounds really fun

maybe throw a few lsa seeds in two

I think you can just melt butter with weed in it

low boil

gradual mixing of the weed

5-20 minutes easy

should butter and spice your afternoon! :laugh:


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: Ferdinando] * 1
    #26898392 - 08/25/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you do it on the stove you have to remember water or you'll probably burn it. It's not even a low boil, a simmer is enough. Depending on your stove and cookware that could even potentially be too high. Do it slow and measure the temperature if that helps. Add more water once it boils off if you want it to go longer. You can use soy lecithin which aids in fat absorption or something like that.. it essentially makes it easier to absorb once you ingest it so it hits harder. Also the decarb is a preference because at the temps it should be cooking at it will decarb the weed during the process. I do decarb because I feel it just helps but I've done it without and I don't know if I could tell a difference. Don't bust the weed up too fine it just makes it easier to filter, I just use scissors.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #26898423 - 08/25/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I use a crock pot these days.

I'll throw about 4-5 sticks of butter for about an ounce of trash material. The better material the less butter I use.

I simply place the butter, material and water (used as a anti burning agent and final filtration) into the Crock-Pot.

I have done 24hr cooks, 16hr, 12hr 8hr, 6hr, 3hrs.

I find that a good 3-5hr cook is optimum. Stir about every 20-30 min on low. High can be used to heat up and melt butter but keep it on low. A slight simmer is preferred.

The aroma changes drastically when about done. I simply run it through a few layers of cheese cloth into a large cup (deep cup). And at this point the water does it's magic. The butter/water infusion will still have grainy impurities so place the cup in the freezer long enough to solidify the butter but not freeze the water. The magic is that the butter will fuse together leaving the impurities behind in the liquid. Enjoy.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
    #26898429 - 08/25/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oh gawd you guys, filter that useless plant matter out. It adds an unwanted flavour.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26898911 - 08/25/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So to repeat my questions:

-Can I use an electric grinder rather than the hand-grinder recommended? Which leads me to the related question...

-If I don't care about a little plant material flavor in my initial batch of, say 7 grams, will I get more THC in the butter by using the electric grinder, which will powder the decarboxylated bud?

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Oh gawd you guys, filter that useless plant matter out. It adds an unwanted flavour.



As I said, I don't care. At least not with this first batch. I am into Ketogenic diets, and dosing on homemade edibles right now will consist of me eating a small amount of the butter, probably 1/4 teaspoon to get a little high. So I could literally not care any less about flavor. If I start making more butter, greater than the 7 grams I am going to experiment with now, and I want to cook with it, say brownies or cookies or whatever, then and only then will I care about what the shit tastes like. LMAO I mean really!

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The better material the less butter I use.




Shouldn't this be the other way around? Seems to me that the better the material, the more I would want to dilute it a little to make dosing easier. Whereas if I am cooking with shit, say lower THC content, then I would want to use less butter, so each 1/4 tsp (let's say) has as much THC as 1/4 tsp of the higher grade stuff cooked in more butter.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26899007 - 08/25/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, my bad Im a high dose clown over here. I'll eat 1g no problem.

  I don't understand your apprehension about manual vs electric grinder. They both do the same thing. Just use the electric one, it's a lot easier.
  I usually don't grind the material just pick out branches of my shake.


As far as dose...your on your own there. You'll have to experiment to find your dose.  Have fun, the dangers of this particular endeavor are nearly non existent.

  With butter I just take a spoon and dunk it in hot chocolate or coffee. It does require constant stirring. You'll want to be making clean butter in the future.

  When I first started I would try to throw as little as possible away. I would keep the spent material for brownies. But that was always nasty. So now I just want that clean butter and fuck the literally trash. I put it in the compost pile now.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26899020 - 08/25/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh, my bad Im a high dose clown over here. I'll eat 1g no problem.

  I don't understand your apprehension about manual vs electric grinder. They both do the same thing. Just use the electric one, it's a lot easier.




It was something I read on a site giving a recipe for both in the stove and in a crock pot. They specifically said to NOT use an electric grinder after decarboxylation because it would grind it into fine powder, and this would cause more plant matter to get through the cheesecloth and into the butter. So I wasn't sure how to proceed, but again, I don't care about the flavor since I will just ingest a small amount, like say 1/4 tsp of the pure butter. Which will work well on a low carb diet anyway.


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  I usually don't grind the material just pick out branches of my shake.




I'll probably grind it after I take it out of the oven, just to make sure I get as much THC out of it as possible.


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As far as dose...your on your own there. You'll have to experiment to find your dose.  Have fun, the dangers of this particular endeavor are nearly non existent.




I would just start with a small dose, like 1/4 tsp and if I need more then go up incrementally next time I try it.

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  With butter I just take a spoon and dunk it in hot chocolate or coffee. It does require constant stirring. You'll want to be making clean butter in the future.

  When I first started I would try to throw as little as possible away. I would keep the spent material for brownies. But that was always nasty. So now I just want that clean butter and fuck the literally trash. I put it in the compost pile now.





Is there any THC worth noting left behind in whatever plant pulp you have left after you have squeezed the butter from the cheesecloth?


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26899106 - 08/25/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The pulp has stuff in it but imo it's not worth the hassle of processing it into anything.

The water filtration will take care of that small plant matter. The butter hardens and leaves all that crap behind. After you are done make sure to freeze it.

Just experiment with it.

For 7g of good weed I would probably only use two sticks for concentrated butter. That way you only need a small amount.

I once made 1 stick with an 1/8. Came out good.

Edit #2: I have noticed at the dispensary that middle shelf stuff has 400-600mg of thc. The top shelf goes 900mg+ so that's can be useful to help gauge the strengths.


Edited by LosTresOjos (08/25/20 04:50 PM)


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos] * 2
    #26899398 - 08/25/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I prefer Coconut oil over butter. I just made some great brownies from the oil. No added water to filter.. and the brownies have near zero weed taste.

1 cup coconut oil
28g hand crumbled bud
1 tbls soy lecithin
Cook at 220* for 4-6  hours. oil should not exceed 245°F
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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: Hush] * 2
    #26899483 - 08/25/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well sir, if we want to talk prefences, I'm going with pure grain alcohol tincture.

  Can be very simple to make as you can just leave your materials in there for a couple weeks. Or of course the heat method, but that can get explosive.

  I was able to judge about a tenth of a shot was around 200mgs. Tastes like weed plant and definitely burns.

  The first time I tried it, I had about half a shot. 30 minutes later I was tripping on the fact that I felt DRUNKish.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26899756 - 08/26/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yh too easy sounds like your all over it anyway. To add to your response decarbing doesn't smell out the house anywhere near as much as cooking the butter. This is another reason why making dry ice hash and just decarbing and cooking that into any recipe is probably a really good idea for what you're aiming for over cooking the butter.

I would agree a pound is too much, if using 7g IME half a pound would do it if not 2/3 of a pound.

If you have good weed and decarb correctly you could easily get 40-50 really decent highs out of 7 grams infused into half a pound to 2/3 of a pound.(Especially if your tolerance isn't that high).

I would agree with larry.fisherman grinding isn't necessary just cut it up a little. It doesn't have to be a powder or granular, I know of some people far more experienced than me even advise against cutting it up at all.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: Tripliping] * 1
    #26899788 - 08/26/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I placed my greens into a cooking bag that in turn was put into a glass jar that was then put into oven for over an hour at about 150ºC

All the smell was contained and it was not a problem when I let it out near a window.

Next step was to melt up a block of butter into a bit of water on a stove and adding the decarbed greens into it. I cooked stuff for about half an hour and then strained through a cloth into another container. Smell was not a problem, there barely was any.

Solids were tossed and what got strained out was put into fridge and then to freezer. Once everything was frozen I could simply scrape off the greens infused butter that's on top of a layer of ice.

I haven't actually cooked anything with my butter yet but I have made some toasts and damn it is powerful, easily 10 hour+ results with a great body buzz ~


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26900268 - 08/26/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Firecrackers are the best most useful and least wasteful way to consume cannabis. I used the high times recipe for cannabudder and firecrackers.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26900651 - 08/26/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have ground some weed up put it in hot coffee and drank the pulp down. It seems to me like eating it with out the decarb gets you in a weird headspace. I feel the body load less but the head high is a bit Wilder. More psychedelic.

Try it it out with a gram or actually half a gram. I forget I gotta scale my dose range down.

I've put up about 3g in a coffee one time of some not good weed and I was straight tripping. So eating shitty weed will give you a good high for the product.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
    #26900671 - 08/26/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Nope, .5-1 gram for me only, and I'll only eat 1/4-1/2 of it at a time. PB, grahams, choc chips, a little sugar and BAM! So simple and so good.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: Tripliping]
    #26901538 - 08/27/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Nope, .5-1 gram for me only, and I'll only eat 1/4-1/2 of it at a time. PB, grahams, choc chips, a little sugar and BAM! So simple and so good.




Can you please elaborate? I have literally no idea what you just said. lol

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Firecrackers are the best most useful and least wasteful way to consume cannabis. I used the high times recipe for cannabudder and firecrackers.




Same thing with this. I will Google it in  sec, but what exactly do you mean by firecrackers? I am very open to new ideas.

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I placed my greens into a cooking bag that in turn was put into a glass jar that was then put into oven for over an hour at about 150ºC

All the smell was contained and it was not a problem when I let it out near a window.

Next step was to melt up a block of butter into a bit of water on a stove and adding the decarbed greens into it. I cooked stuff for about half an hour and then strained through a cloth into another container. Smell was not a problem, there barely was any.

Solids were tossed and what got strained out was put into fridge and then to freezer. Once everything was frozen I could simply scrape off the greens infused butter that's on top of a layer of ice.

I haven't actually cooked anything with my butter yet but I have made some toasts and damn it is powerful, easily 10 hour+ results with a great body buzz ~




I like to dose very small. A typical 25-40 mg gummy does me fine. But your way sounds very promising! Although, can you please clarify about the stovetop cooking? I could be way off here, but my understanding is that you only cook in the oven/crockpot to decarboxylate, and just put the weed into the melted butter + water. Are you certain that cooking this mixture is the way to go and not just stirring then putting the mess into the fridge before separating it out the next day through cheesecloth?

Thanks!

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For 7g of good weed I would probably only use two sticks for concentrated butter.




Yeah, this sounds about right. I will go two sticks for every 7g of weed. Thanks!


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Yh too easy sounds like your all over it anyway. To add to your response decarbing doesn't smell out the house anywhere near as much as cooking the butter.




Great to know, thanks!

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This is another reason why making dry ice hash and just decarbing and cooking that into any recipe is probably a really good idea for what you're aiming for over cooking the butter.




I have literally no idea what any of this means. lol

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I would agree a pound is too much, if using 7g IME half a pound would do it if not 2/3 of a pound.




Agreed, this is the way I am going to go.

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If you have good weed and decarb correctly you could easily get 40-50 really decent highs out of 7 grams infused into half a pound to 2/3 of a pound.(Especially if your tolerance isn't that high).




This is great to know! If I am paying around $240 an ounce for good weed, then 1/4 ounce (7g) works out to be $60.00, which makes your numbers really attractive, since I would be then spending just a little over $1.00 per dose, as opposed to the retail version of edibles which cost anywhere from $4.00 to $5.00 per dose.

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I would agree with larry.fisherman grinding isn't necessary just cut it up a little. It doesn't have to be a powder or granular, I know of some people far more experienced than me even advise against cutting it up at all.




Why not grind, though? I'm not saying you're wrong. Clearly you know a lot more about this than me, but I just want to understand why some sites say to grind the decarboxylated buds in the first place. and what the is argument against it. Thanks agaib!


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26901548 - 08/27/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I basically followed this for decarboxylation :
https://www.growweedeasy.com/how-to-decarb-weed#oven-bag

And rest is adapted from here :
https://www.growweedeasy.com/best-weed-butter-recipe#best-cannabis-butter-recipe

It worked really well in my case.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: MindMeower]
    #26901559 - 08/27/20 02:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I basically followed this for decarboxylation :
https://www.growweedeasy.com/how-to-decarb-weed#oven-bag

And rest is adapted from here :
https://www.growweedeasy.com/best-weed-butter-recipe#best-cannabis-butter-recipe

It worked really well in my case.




Wow thanks for this info! I had literally no idea you could decarb in a mason jar until I followed your first link. I will check out the second one. Halfway through the article, I was leaning heavily toward using an oven bag, but since I already have a few 16 ounce double-lid mason jars anyway, and this is supposedly the least-smelly way to go using easy to obtain, household items, I think I will go this route. I need to read your second article, too, but I will do that later when I get home. Thanks again!


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26901719 - 08/27/20 07:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26903515 - 08/28/20 05:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, Tyrnanicalrex. I don't think this this method will be for me, though, since I would prefer to make a big batch all at once, and freeze most of the butter. It also looks like these are pretty high doses lol.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26903601 - 08/28/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well, firecrackers are the fastest way to make some nice edibels..

Just put peanutbutter onto two crackers, put ground up weed in between, wrap all in tinfoil and put in warm oven for 15min. Done, ready to eat.
As it's so fast you could do this everytime you want to dose, right before dosing. That's the advantage of firecrckers. No need to simmer for hours, no filtering, no cooling,.. :thumbup:

Hash cocoa is alo nice. Melt some hash in butter and cream for 10min, add milk, sugar and cocoa powder, stirr, drink, be floored. :thumbup:
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But yes, butter is nice. I always decarbed my weed first, then butter + water in a crockpot, let simmer for three hours, put all in a jar and into the fridge.
Once the butter is hardend the water will contain all the plantmatter and the hardened butter the goodies. Easy to separate.

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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26905302 - 08/29/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hi!

Basically, what Pandemon just said! :smile:

The way to not smell up the place when decarbing is by wrapping the bud in tin foil. IM TALKING A LOT OF TIN FOIL, wrap it round and round. It definitley helps.

PS; You can decarb weed, then just grab that weed and put it in a sandwich with nutella and peanut butter and voila! half a gram for one dose, I'd say, enjoy. Soo easy
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AS FOR that delicious green butter...I liked to put a spoon or two of that butter in coffee. Try it out sometime :crazy2:


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: FranxLove]
    #26909098 - 08/31/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a question about all of this. I am going to try doing the original 7 grams I planned this week. I just received my cheesecloth from Amazon. Anyway, my question is how do you know how homogenized the butter is after you have cooked the decarboxylated weed in the butter and water? Meaning, once the butter hardens, will the rate of dissolving of the THC be consistent enough that if I take a teaspoon dose of the hardened butter from one section, will it be mostly about the same dosage as if I took that same teaspoon from another section? I put the word homogenized in hyphenation because I know that this can never be exact without a centrifuge or some other device to ensure consistent dissolution of the THC throughout the butter.

I guess my concern is I don't want to take a teaspoon and get a mild head or nothing, then take another from another section of the butter and get completely hammered because the THC dissolved with little consistency. Again, I'm not looking for exact consistency down to a fraction of a milligram, as that sort of precision could likely only be accomplished commercially. All I want is to create a butter that is close enough or at least pretty consistent throughout.

Or does the heating atop the stove or in a crock pot take care of that potential issue by forcing some consistent dissolution?


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26909217 - 08/31/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've never had "hot spots" in my cannabudder.:shrug: Seems like it should be even all the way through due to the process and simple physics.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26909482 - 08/31/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I've never had "hot spots" in my cannabudder.:shrug: Seems like it should be even all the way through due to the process and simple physics.




This is what I was hoping for, since I don't like getting hammered unexpectedly with any psychoactive compound. It also makes sense, since there is a lot of heating involved, and since THC is fat soluble, I was assuming it should disperse through the butter at least somewhat evenly, without any insane surprises in one or two hits lol.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26909541 - 08/31/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's all good buddy. Just pull the trigger.

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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26909567 - 08/31/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I haven't heard that being something one needs to specifically look after and experience seems to show it isn't a concern either so you should be fine.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: MindMeower]
    #26909705 - 08/31/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

For all the talk about carbolation i'm confused.
My first canna butter batches were made with plant trimmings, no decarbolation and they were the strongest brownies i ever made.

My recent batches are done with ABV material, about 2 oz to 3 sticks of butter and they seem mild in comparison.

I want to get that dosage back where i eat one and in 45 minutes suddenly feel so baked that my eyelids weigh 5lbs  :grin:


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26909733 - 08/31/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You want a firecracker then my friend.:grin: Decarb it though!


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26909831 - 08/31/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The decarb process is really not necessary as an extra step. Especially for use in butter as the butter will heat up to boiling and decarb while in the crock pot. When using heat it's unnecessary.

  I think there's too much emphasis on it.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
    #26909844 - 08/31/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

IDK, I made 2 batches of cannabudder from the same plant. One decarbed, and one not. The decarb batch was stronger and had a more full experience to it.:shrug:
Definitely decarb a firecracker. I have done it both ways and the decarbed one was a lot stronger.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26909948 - 08/31/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's being decarbed during the cooking process...I've never had any issues though. And the stuff I make is definitely stronger than at the dispensary. As I can dose what I want.


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    #26913219 - 09/02/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Just curious. I know that there is no way to accurately predict dosing on homemade cannabutter and edibles, due to differences in weed quality, as well as cooking inconsistencies. But I would like to get an idea of a rough approximation for how many low doses one can expect from 7 grams of high quality weed?

I know quality is subjective, but if I am extracting the THC from 7 grams of weed into, say 1/2 pound of butter (two sticks), what can I reasonably expect in terms of approximately how many doses would come from this. Note that I tend to dose a little on the low side anyway.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26913237 - 09/02/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You make a test run. I made toast with some fun butter on top lol. My butter was made from small bucket of clippings and result is 1 toast = weak day long trip, 2=nice day long buzz, 4 toasts = heavy day long trip lol


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: MindMeower]
    #26913239 - 09/02/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

When I ate weed I used like .5g for a mild buzz, and 1g for a strong buzz. That was with high tolerance, though.
I bet today, when I smoke not daily anymore but only like twice a month, I'd get a mild buzz from 0.25g already.

So 7g of quality bud should lead to 15 to 20 mild doses.

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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26913312 - 09/02/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I would try to measure the dose by how many teaspoons/tablespoons are in the budder. 1tbsp = 3 tsp. Maybe .5-1 tsp for a dose?


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26913449 - 09/02/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I would encourage taking 1-3 tbs to have good time.

  Ok, that being said you might want to try just one spoonful.

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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26913552 - 09/02/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So does anyone have any answers to my actual question?


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26913607 - 09/02/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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    #26914769 - 09/02/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Not in English.

I'll try again, though:

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LSA Woodrose said:
Just curious. I know that there is no way to accurately predict dosing on homemade cannabutter and edibles, due to differences in weed quality, as well as cooking inconsistencies. But I would like to get an idea of a rough approximation for how many low doses one can expect from 7 grams of high quality weed?

I know quality is subjective, but if I am extracting the THC from 7 grams of weed into, say 1/2 pound of butter (two sticks), what can I reasonably expect in terms of approximately how many doses would come from this. Note that I tend to dose a little on the low side anyway.




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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26914902 - 09/03/20 03:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There's no set number, you get the dosage amount from a test and extrapolate from there how many you can do, few tens probably is not out of question. Stuff you eat works quite different from smoked way.

My 400gram box gixes more than 50 small weak doses and more than 20 heavy ones, but for someone with tolerance from previous daily smoking the numbers would be quite different.


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    #26914969 - 09/03/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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There's no set number, you get the dosage amount from a test and extrapolate from there how many you can do, few tens probably is not out of question. Stuff you eat works quite different from smoked way.

My 400gram box gixes more than 50 small weak doses and more than 20 heavy ones, but for someone with tolerance from previous daily smoking the numbers would be quite different.




I am just looking for ballpark numbers, assuming high quality weed, 7 grams, good cook technique, 2 sticks of butter (4 ouces each stick), and weak doses per serving. I get this isn't NASA, and I'm not expecting empirical information taking into account exact THC content for different qualities/strains, my bodyweight and tolerance, etc. I just want a rough idea of what I can expect from 7 grams of good weed.

25 doses? 50 doses? 10 doses? 5? Seriously, getting simple answers to questions in this friggin' forum is truly like pulling teeth.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26914997 - 09/03/20 06:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Because there is no simple answer, you really have to try. 20 is probably a good ballpark figure but you won't know until you try.
"good quality weed" doesn't say much, it comes down to THC and other cannabinoids content and when you don't know them you are very much shooting in the dark.

My figures were based on 20% THC content greens, or rather only the clippings not actual flowers.


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    #26915035 - 09/03/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Because there is no simple answer, you really have to try. 20 is probably a good ballpark figure but you won't know until you try.
"good quality weed" doesn't say much, it comes down to THC and other cannabinoids content and when you don't know them you are very much shooting in the dark.

My figures were based on 20% THC content greens, or rather only the clippings not actual flowers.




I get all the variables,and as I said when I first asked the question, I know there is no absolute answer. There is no way you can know how potent my weed is, how diligent I will be extracting the THC, how much of the THC I will lose in the cheesecloth and plant matter left behind, and several other variables. The thing I keep wondering, though, is whether or not this is even worth it, which is why I asked.

Let me give you my reasoning. Here in NYC weed is no longer a felony, and the status is its medically legal, with NY State trying to push through recreational use. Great for the future. But here's my issue with bothering to extract, which is why I was hoping for an answer to my question. Let's go with your 20 doses number for the moment.

I paid $240.00 for the ounce, which I portioned out 1/4 of it, meaning 7 grams. So that's $60.00 worth of weed, if I extract. And with a number like 20 doses, this is now a big "if" to be honest. So, the same guy who sold me the weed has gummies and this cool candy "stick" which both yield about 10 doses. He charges me $30.00 per bag of gummies of for the candy-stick. I am totally good with 1/10 of the bag/stick. Are you starting to see my problem here?

If I can get 20 doses for $60.00 with the gummies OR I can extract about 20 doses from the same dollar amount's worth of weed, then, f*** that. I'm not going to bother. I'll save myself a lot of hassle and work, not to mention smelling up my house so that my neighbors think they are in a Cheech & Chong movie. With those numbers, its not worth the time or energy. I may as well just stick with the retail edibles. But if I were going to get 40 doses, let's say, then that means that my efforts mean that I have a 50% savings over the retail edibles.

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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26915053 - 09/03/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its basically one gram a dose.

7 grams is 7 doses


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    #26915059 - 09/03/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Its basically one gram a dose.

7 grams is 7 doses




Thanks for the answer. Wow that sounds like a lot of loss from extraction!

Using this weed I was planning on extracting as an example, I crumple up a tiny bit and powder it with my fingers. Literally just a little powder off a bud. I take one hit, two if I really want a stronger high. That gets me to about where one 25 to 40 mg dose gummy gets me. If it takes one gram of bud to get me to where one hit on my pipe gets me, or one edible (retail cost $3.00 per gummy) then extracting is a joke, as far as I'm concerned.

Wow. Just wow.

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More info - One ounce lasts me about 6 months to a year. One decent sized small bud (like 1/2 gram bud) lasts me over a week, if I am taking one or two hits here and there during the day, AND that further assumes smoking every day.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26915092 - 09/03/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, greens over there are more than half the price compared to what I can get over here... Cost was main reason I ended up growing my own.

I do see your problem but in the end you won't know until you try, there are some unknowns and relative things at play that make it difficult to estimate what you can get out of it. Ingensted greens work quite different from smoked ones, requiring more material for same strength at the peak compared to smoking since the material's power is spread out over the duration of many hours, in my case the effects last more than 10 hours and several times I go to sleep, wake 8 hours later and I'm still feeling the effects. It is completely night and day...

It does sound like it will not be worth the effort on your end.


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    #26915109 - 09/03/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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When I ate weed I used like .5g for a mild buzz, and 1g for a strong buzz. That was with high tolerance, though.
I bet today, when I smoke not daily anymore but only like twice a month, I'd get a mild buzz from 0.25g already.

So 7g of quality bud should lead to 15 to 20 mild doses.

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    #26915269 - 09/03/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Edible weed is very different from smoked as your body produces different compounds.

  As far as the money value well, I personally think it ain't no thing at all. I have never made an extract with the monetary value in mind. For fuck sales I'm looking for an experience not for an economic flight.

  I think you've gone from overthinking to some sort of frenzied state. Especially when you start to threaten to go ask reddit and how we make the experience of asking a ridiculous question like pulling teeth. It's childish.


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    #26915400 - 09/03/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, orally you need much more material to get high. A single gram is one strong to four mild highs at max.

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    #26915620 - 09/03/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow, greens over there are more than half the price compared to what I can get over here... Cost was main reason I ended up growing my own.

I do see your problem but in the end you won't know until you try,




Nah, no need for that at this point. I was looking to find out whether or not this was an endeavor worth my time, and clearly it isn't. If the best I can hope for from a cannabutter extraction from 7 grams of good weed is about 20 light doses, then its pointless to bother. Commercial edibles will continue to serve me just fine as they always have.

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there are some unknowns and relative things at play that make it difficult to estimate what you can get out of it. Ingensted greens work quite different from smoked ones, requiring more material for same strength at the peak compared to smoking since the material's power is spread out over the duration of many hours, in my case the effects last more than 10 hours and several times I go to sleep, wake 8 hours later and I'm still feeling the effects. It is completely night and day...

It does sound like it will not be worth the effort on your end.




Exactly! Also, the very last thing I want is to ingest a full gram's worth of weed, extracted into butter, and be high for 8 hours, as you say happens to you. That's insane! lol I like a mild buzz for a little while really.

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Yeah, orally you need much more material to get high. A single gram is one strong to four mild highs at max.
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Yeah this was more along the lines of what I was looking to find out. If this is the case, I would rather stick to the retail edibles for the same price per dose than to spend hours cooking it.

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Edible weed is very different from smoked as your body produces different compounds.

  As far as the money value well, I personally think it ain't no thing at all. I have never made an extract with the monetary value in mind. For fuck sales I'm looking for an experience not for an economic flight.

  I think you've gone from overthinking to some sort of frenzied
state. Especially when you start to threaten to go ask reddit and how we make the experience of asking a ridiculous question like pulling teeth. It's childish.




This is a dumb response and completely out of context to what I was asking. LMAO I wasn't saying that making edibles was purely a financial decision, my Straw Man creating forum dweller. I was saying that if dollar-for-dollar I can get the same number of doses from retail edibles, then its not worth my time to bother making them. I can just buy the gummies and be done with it, which is what I have been doing for a couple of years now anyway. If money was the only concern, maybe you'd have a point. But why am I spending hours of my time making edibles when I can just buy them retail for the same cost and the same effect? If you can't conceive of the fact that this was the perspective I was asking from, then I can't help you.


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    #26915808 - 09/03/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Fair.


  I'm all about doing it myself. So I guess I can't relate too well.

You should make it though, at least you know how to do it. Teach your kids.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26916005 - 09/03/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Try a one gram firecracker sometime, but with your tolerance being low I would only eat a 1/4 1st. Wait 2 hours etc...They really POP!:grin:


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26916764 - 09/04/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

tyrranicalrex, I may try that at some point, thanks! Its fast and easy at least, so I won't be spending a few hours slaving over a hot stove to get the same as I can get from edibles. Thanks!

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Fair.


  I'm all about doing it myself. So I guess I can't relate too well.

You should make it though, at least you know how to do it. Teach your kids.




I will probably try it at some point. But not just yet. For now, its easier to just stick to buying the retail edibles, or perhaps I'll get a medical marijuana card and see what the dispensary capsule-form edibles are all about. Its a lot of work to extract, and I will definitely do in the future. Even if it isn't as economically valuable, it sounds like a good experience to have under my belt.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26930423 - 09/11/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I tried making firecracker with .8 decarbed.
Wasn't the eyelid dropper i was going for but was fairly strong for 5hrs.

I've been experimenting with fresh vaped left overs where I take a couple less hits before dumping it out than normal. wasn't as strong but probably worth it vs saving it all and making butter.

I'm guessing it would only take a couple pulls to decarb. I want to try a batch of weed that just a pull or 2 but it's hard to control my self :laugh:


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26930777 - 09/11/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’ve had bad luck with firecrackers. I did it with cheese once and peanut butter another time. Both times it grossed me out chewing up the cooked weed, it tasted like shit, and was basically ineffective compared to just smoking the weed. So I don’t like firecrackers. I think it’s difficult to properly decarb the weed that way without burning up the good stuff. What I do like is making canna coconut oil and putting that in some food or whatever. Just swallowing a little chunk even. I press rosin so I just use the already pressed weed chips to make edibles. Every time I make it, it’s a learning process titrating the dose and figuring out how much I need. Because it just varies so much.

Eating weed is definitely less efficient than smoking it, if you’re using good (expensive) weed. It’s better to use trim or rosin chips or already vaped or weed that’s not so expensive.

But smoking it won’t quite get you to that almost opiate like trippy body high. And of course it lasts so long. So it is a trade off. Maybe you wouldn’t smoke the whole gram but then again maybe if you wanted to be as high as on edibles for 8 hours, you would smoke the whole gram. Or whatever amount.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: drr]
    #26934772 - 09/14/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This is why I use a little sugar and some choc chips in my firecrackers.
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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: drr]
    #26935187 - 09/14/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Eating weed is very efficient. And the better the weed the better the product.

If I eat straight weed I put it in a coffee or hot chocolate. Let it steep for like 10m. Then down the hatch.  Good results every time.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: drr]
    #26939673 - 09/16/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Eating weed is definitely less efficient than smoking it, if you’re using good (expensive) weed. It’s better to use trim or rosin chips or already vaped or weed that’s not so expensive.






This is in line with all that I have read, as well. I still take edibles,  as you alluded to, the high is really nice. I find it much more smooth and silky than smoking. Smoking comes on fast and hard, and while it may last a few hours, its not a steady, long acting, body high. My only contention was whether or not it was worth making my own edibles or if I was better off saving the time and energy and just sticking with the commercial brand stuff, like gummies and such. So far, I have come down on the side of the gummies for my personal use.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26954257 - 09/25/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I tried making firecracker with .8 decarbed.
Wasn't the eyelid dropper i was going for but was fairly strong for 5hrs.

I've been experimenting with fresh vaped left overs where I take a couple less hits before dumping it out than normal. wasn't as strong but probably worth it vs saving it all and making butter.

I'm guessing it would only take a couple pulls to decarb. I want to try a batch of weed that just a pull or 2 but it's hard to control my self :laugh:




Continuing my experiment with firecrackers and ABV. Gotten used to the taste, it does blend well with peanut butter but still a little odd.
I've been saving up vaped material, don't let it get black but a medium brown where there might be a couple hits left.
Worked my way from 1g to 3g yesterday which takes a few days to build up for me and 3g was that flash back to my strong brownies.
nice strong come up over 2-3hrs and peaked with heavy dry mouth and eyes and and gradual come down next 2 hrs. Probably save up a week and try 4g next times :crazy2:


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    #26954354 - 09/25/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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This is why I use a little sugar and some choc chips in my firecrackers.
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