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OfflineLosTresOjos
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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26913449 - 09/02/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I would encourage taking 1-3 tbs to have good time.

  Ok, that being said you might want to try just one spoonful.

This reminds me of that space honey from futurama.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26913552 - 09/02/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So does anyone have any answers to my actual question?


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26913607 - 09/02/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

People have answered you.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26914769 - 09/02/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Not in English.

I'll try again, though:

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LSA Woodrose said:
Just curious. I know that there is no way to accurately predict dosing on homemade cannabutter and edibles, due to differences in weed quality, as well as cooking inconsistencies. But I would like to get an idea of a rough approximation for how many low doses one can expect from 7 grams of high quality weed?

I know quality is subjective, but if I am extracting the THC from 7 grams of weed into, say 1/2 pound of butter (two sticks), what can I reasonably expect in terms of approximately how many doses would come from this. Note that I tend to dose a little on the low side anyway.




Maybe I should just ask on Reddit


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26914902 - 09/03/20 03:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There's no set number, you get the dosage amount from a test and extrapolate from there how many you can do, few tens probably is not out of question. Stuff you eat works quite different from smoked way.

My 400gram box gixes more than 50 small weak doses and more than 20 heavy ones, but for someone with tolerance from previous daily smoking the numbers would be quite different.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: MindMeower]
    #26914969 - 09/03/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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There's no set number, you get the dosage amount from a test and extrapolate from there how many you can do, few tens probably is not out of question. Stuff you eat works quite different from smoked way.

My 400gram box gixes more than 50 small weak doses and more than 20 heavy ones, but for someone with tolerance from previous daily smoking the numbers would be quite different.




I am just looking for ballpark numbers, assuming high quality weed, 7 grams, good cook technique, 2 sticks of butter (4 ouces each stick), and weak doses per serving. I get this isn't NASA, and I'm not expecting empirical information taking into account exact THC content for different qualities/strains, my bodyweight and tolerance, etc. I just want a rough idea of what I can expect from 7 grams of good weed.

25 doses? 50 doses? 10 doses? 5? Seriously, getting simple answers to questions in this friggin' forum is truly like pulling teeth.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26914997 - 09/03/20 06:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Because there is no simple answer, you really have to try. 20 is probably a good ballpark figure but you won't know until you try.
"good quality weed" doesn't say much, it comes down to THC and other cannabinoids content and when you don't know them you are very much shooting in the dark.

My figures were based on 20% THC content greens, or rather only the clippings not actual flowers.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: MindMeower]
    #26915035 - 09/03/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Because there is no simple answer, you really have to try. 20 is probably a good ballpark figure but you won't know until you try.
"good quality weed" doesn't say much, it comes down to THC and other cannabinoids content and when you don't know them you are very much shooting in the dark.

My figures were based on 20% THC content greens, or rather only the clippings not actual flowers.




I get all the variables,and as I said when I first asked the question, I know there is no absolute answer. There is no way you can know how potent my weed is, how diligent I will be extracting the THC, how much of the THC I will lose in the cheesecloth and plant matter left behind, and several other variables. The thing I keep wondering, though, is whether or not this is even worth it, which is why I asked.

Let me give you my reasoning. Here in NYC weed is no longer a felony, and the status is its medically legal, with NY State trying to push through recreational use. Great for the future. But here's my issue with bothering to extract, which is why I was hoping for an answer to my question. Let's go with your 20 doses number for the moment.

I paid $240.00 for the ounce, which I portioned out 1/4 of it, meaning 7 grams. So that's $60.00 worth of weed, if I extract. And with a number like 20 doses, this is now a big "if" to be honest. So, the same guy who sold me the weed has gummies and this cool candy "stick" which both yield about 10 doses. He charges me $30.00 per bag of gummies of for the candy-stick. I am totally good with 1/10 of the bag/stick. Are you starting to see my problem here?

If I can get 20 doses for $60.00 with the gummies OR I can extract about 20 doses from the same dollar amount's worth of weed, then, f*** that. I'm not going to bother. I'll save myself a lot of hassle and work, not to mention smelling up my house so that my neighbors think they are in a Cheech & Chong movie. With those numbers, its not worth the time or energy. I may as well just stick with the retail edibles. But if I were going to get 40 doses, let's say, then that means that my efforts mean that I have a 50% savings over the retail edibles.

See my point?


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26915053 - 09/03/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its basically one gram a dose.

7 grams is 7 doses


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26915059 - 09/03/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Its basically one gram a dose.

7 grams is 7 doses




Thanks for the answer. Wow that sounds like a lot of loss from extraction!

Using this weed I was planning on extracting as an example, I crumple up a tiny bit and powder it with my fingers. Literally just a little powder off a bud. I take one hit, two if I really want a stronger high. That gets me to about where one 25 to 40 mg dose gummy gets me. If it takes one gram of bud to get me to where one hit on my pipe gets me, or one edible (retail cost $3.00 per gummy) then extracting is a joke, as far as I'm concerned.

Wow. Just wow.

Edit:
More info - One ounce lasts me about 6 months to a year. One decent sized small bud (like 1/2 gram bud) lasts me over a week, if I am taking one or two hits here and there during the day, AND that further assumes smoking every day.


Edited by LSA Woodrose (09/03/20 07:23 AM)


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26915092 - 09/03/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, greens over there are more than half the price compared to what I can get over here... Cost was main reason I ended up growing my own.

I do see your problem but in the end you won't know until you try, there are some unknowns and relative things at play that make it difficult to estimate what you can get out of it. Ingensted greens work quite different from smoked ones, requiring more material for same strength at the peak compared to smoking since the material's power is spread out over the duration of many hours, in my case the effects last more than 10 hours and several times I go to sleep, wake 8 hours later and I'm still feeling the effects. It is completely night and day...

It does sound like it will not be worth the effort on your end.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26915109 - 09/03/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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When I ate weed I used like .5g for a mild buzz, and 1g for a strong buzz. That was with high tolerance, though.
I bet today, when I smoke not daily anymore but only like twice a month, I'd get a mild buzz from 0.25g already.

So 7g of quality bud should lead to 15 to 20 mild doses.

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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26915269 - 09/03/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Edible weed is very different from smoked as your body produces different compounds.

  As far as the money value well, I personally think it ain't no thing at all. I have never made an extract with the monetary value in mind. For fuck sales I'm looking for an experience not for an economic flight.

  I think you've gone from overthinking to some sort of frenzied state. Especially when you start to threaten to go ask reddit and how we make the experience of asking a ridiculous question like pulling teeth. It's childish.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26915400 - 09/03/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, orally you need much more material to get high. A single gram is one strong to four mild highs at max.

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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26915620 - 09/03/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow, greens over there are more than half the price compared to what I can get over here... Cost was main reason I ended up growing my own.

I do see your problem but in the end you won't know until you try,




Nah, no need for that at this point. I was looking to find out whether or not this was an endeavor worth my time, and clearly it isn't. If the best I can hope for from a cannabutter extraction from 7 grams of good weed is about 20 light doses, then its pointless to bother. Commercial edibles will continue to serve me just fine as they always have.

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there are some unknowns and relative things at play that make it difficult to estimate what you can get out of it. Ingensted greens work quite different from smoked ones, requiring more material for same strength at the peak compared to smoking since the material's power is spread out over the duration of many hours, in my case the effects last more than 10 hours and several times I go to sleep, wake 8 hours later and I'm still feeling the effects. It is completely night and day...

It does sound like it will not be worth the effort on your end.




Exactly! Also, the very last thing I want is to ingest a full gram's worth of weed, extracted into butter, and be high for 8 hours, as you say happens to you. That's insane! lol I like a mild buzz for a little while really.

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Yeah, orally you need much more material to get high. A single gram is one strong to four mild highs at max.
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Yeah this was more along the lines of what I was looking to find out. If this is the case, I would rather stick to the retail edibles for the same price per dose than to spend hours cooking it.

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Edible weed is very different from smoked as your body produces different compounds.

  As far as the money value well, I personally think it ain't no thing at all. I have never made an extract with the monetary value in mind. For fuck sales I'm looking for an experience not for an economic flight.

  I think you've gone from overthinking to some sort of frenzied
state. Especially when you start to threaten to go ask reddit and how we make the experience of asking a ridiculous question like pulling teeth. It's childish.




This is a dumb response and completely out of context to what I was asking. LMAO I wasn't saying that making edibles was purely a financial decision, my Straw Man creating forum dweller. I was saying that if dollar-for-dollar I can get the same number of doses from retail edibles, then its not worth my time to bother making them. I can just buy the gummies and be done with it, which is what I have been doing for a couple of years now anyway. If money was the only concern, maybe you'd have a point. But why am I spending hours of my time making edibles when I can just buy them retail for the same cost and the same effect? If you can't conceive of the fact that this was the perspective I was asking from, then I can't help you.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26915808 - 09/03/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Fair.


  I'm all about doing it myself. So I guess I can't relate too well.

You should make it though, at least you know how to do it. Teach your kids.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26916005 - 09/03/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Try a one gram firecracker sometime, but with your tolerance being low I would only eat a 1/4 1st. Wait 2 hours etc...They really POP!:grin:


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26916764 - 09/04/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

tyrranicalrex, I may try that at some point, thanks! Its fast and easy at least, so I won't be spending a few hours slaving over a hot stove to get the same as I can get from edibles. Thanks!

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Fair.


  I'm all about doing it myself. So I guess I can't relate too well.

You should make it though, at least you know how to do it. Teach your kids.




I will probably try it at some point. But not just yet. For now, its easier to just stick to buying the retail edibles, or perhaps I'll get a medical marijuana card and see what the dispensary capsule-form edibles are all about. Its a lot of work to extract, and I will definitely do in the future. Even if it isn't as economically valuable, it sounds like a good experience to have under my belt.


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26930423 - 09/11/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I tried making firecracker with .8 decarbed.
Wasn't the eyelid dropper i was going for but was fairly strong for 5hrs.

I've been experimenting with fresh vaped left overs where I take a couple less hits before dumping it out than normal. wasn't as strong but probably worth it vs saving it all and making butter.

I'm guessing it would only take a couple pulls to decarb. I want to try a batch of weed that just a pull or 2 but it's hard to control my self :laugh:


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Re: Making Cannabutter For the First Time - Tips/Tricks? [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26930777 - 09/11/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’ve had bad luck with firecrackers. I did it with cheese once and peanut butter another time. Both times it grossed me out chewing up the cooked weed, it tasted like shit, and was basically ineffective compared to just smoking the weed. So I don’t like firecrackers. I think it’s difficult to properly decarb the weed that way without burning up the good stuff. What I do like is making canna coconut oil and putting that in some food or whatever. Just swallowing a little chunk even. I press rosin so I just use the already pressed weed chips to make edibles. Every time I make it, it’s a learning process titrating the dose and figuring out how much I need. Because it just varies so much.

Eating weed is definitely less efficient than smoking it, if you’re using good (expensive) weed. It’s better to use trim or rosin chips or already vaped or weed that’s not so expensive.

But smoking it won’t quite get you to that almost opiate like trippy body high. And of course it lasts so long. So it is a trade off. Maybe you wouldn’t smoke the whole gram but then again maybe if you wanted to be as high as on edibles for 8 hours, you would smoke the whole gram. Or whatever amount.


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