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Yes, Asante, I am aware of factory farming.
While you may have good intentions with whatever monies you would get, not everyone thinks like your spirit guide.
So, I think your poll should be more like, "would you blend a cat for a million dollars to be donated to poor children?" instead of simply asking if you would blend a cat for money to do whatever you wanted with it.
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Re: Would you? Could you? [Re: HamHead]
#26897819 - 08/24/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No because thats what I would do with it. Others would spend it otherwise.
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Re: Would you? Could you? [Re: Asante]
#26897831 - 08/24/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: No because thats what I would do with it. Others would spend it otherwise.
Which devalues your point.
You're giving people a choice with assumptions that they would donate their money while putting an innocent kittens life on the line with no proof they'll just go out and buy more blenders and kittens with their new found million dollars.
Just because you present a poll expressing your intentions doesn't mean everyone will have similar intentions.
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Re: Would you? Could you? [Re: HamHead]
#26897849 - 08/24/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree. But do you honestly see that happening any time soon? What would be the best way to get a whole country to stop supporting that kind of industry?
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spirit_shadow said: I agree. But do you honestly see that happening any time soon? What would be the best way to get a whole country to stop supporting that kind of industry?
How about not restricting seed from people during a pandemic to start.
One solution I have heard is to spread out these factory farms to have more diversity so there is less of a demand in a concentrated area.
A lot of meat is processed in a small number of very large factories. Yes, there are smaller farms serving communities but for large cities, a lot of that meat comes from a small number of farms.
Some cities allow for chicken coops for eggs, which is a somewhat sustainable source of protein without killing indiscriminately.
Not everyone is interested in doing these sorts of things. This is where trade comes into play. Be it money, services, objects or otherwise, if there are enough people with small farms with enough excess to feed even one neighbor extra, that can go a long way within a community.
Thing I have a problem with this scenario is that if you just give people food, they'll eat it all and continue to be hungry. Teach a man to fish.
A problem that Monsanto created. They sold seed to farmers with hopes of paying back debts with harvests of those seeds. Not all crops do well and many times those farmers are left with a lot of debt because of poor yields.
Why not donate heirloom seeds that will continue to produce seed for these farmers, so there is no demand from them, only a supply to them to feed their own communities.
Bill Gates with billions of dollars has failed at feeding poor countries. Such a humanitarian. At least he's trying with those vaccines tho, gotta improve health by jabing infants with controversial needles.
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Re: Would you? Could you? [Re: HamHead]
#26897885 - 08/24/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's the kicker. I dont ever see enough people getting on board.....unfortunately
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Glad it's being discussed as I'm sure we are not alone in these discussions of global hunger.
Many US children rely on school meals. Where is their nutrition coming from while schools are closed?
Also, food deserts. There are places where grocery stores are few and far between. Major metropolis areas with tight city streets don't get many fresh produce options simply because large trucks have a difficult time getting to small grocery stored in a large city.
Many people eat convenient store food for much of their lives simply because there are few other options within reasonable range.
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Re: Would you? Could you? [Re: HamHead] 2
#26897910 - 08/24/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Regardless of what noble causes one says one will put the money towords for hitting blend I feel very strongly that it would be a horribly immoral act to hit that button in exchange for currency.
The cruelty and pain involved for that animal cannot be undone by acts of future kindness, IMO.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Regardless of what noble causes one says one will put the money towords for hitting blend I feel very strongly that it would be a horribly immoral act to hit that button in exchange for currency.
The cruelty and pain involved for that animal cannot be undone by acts of future kindness, IMO.
+1

I'm happy we can agree on this.

Edit.
You know very well it would take some time for a blender to get going, causing even more unnecessary suffering to helpless kitty.
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Re: Would you? Could you? [Re: HamHead]
#26897932 - 08/24/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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HamHead said: I'm happy we can agree on this.
That makes me very happy also.
Cheers man.
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Asante said: No because thats what I would do with it. Others would spend it otherwise.
Which devalues your point.
You're giving people a choice with assumptions that they would donate their money while putting an innocent kittens life on the line with no proof they'll just go out and buy more blenders and kittens with their new found million dollars.
Just because you present a poll expressing your intentions doesn't mean everyone will have similar intentions.
You've got this all upside down.
The premise is: would you blend if it got you a million dollars.
What people do with that million is up to them.
I choose to spend it on charities which save multiple human lives. In that case it becomes a trolley experiment where on one track is a kitty and on the other track several children. Then the choice is obvious.
For selfish reasons I would not blend. I'd take the kitty out and make it my kitty and we'd be happy all its life long 
But my Spirit Guide made it a matter of selfless reasons, of saving the lives of several children over that of a kitty, to demonstrate to me that I, too could be a Kitty Nazi if the perspective was shifted, that its easy to point fingers to people and call them immoral but that life just isnt that simple. What if an uninsured person's kid needs a $900,000 heart transplant. Don't you think they'd blend?
My Spirit Guide showed: "look the knee jerk reaction is that the kitty should live, but there can be circumstances in life where blending is the moral choice."
Thats what you get from a spirit guide. Not stating the obvious but demonstrating to practice compassion not just for the ruthless but also that you yourself just as easily could be one of them if the circumstances were right. Therein lies a warning not to judge and not to be easy to dismiss.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Regardless of what noble causes one says one will put the money towords for hitting blend I feel very strongly that it would be a horribly immoral act to hit that button in exchange for currency.
The cruelty and pain involved for that animal cannot be undone by acts of future kindness, IMO.
I disagree with you, in that the ones hitting Blend will do so in direct exchange for the noble causes. The dollars are just an intermediary. In absence of the noble causes they would not blend, with the exception of our resident Sphynx Cat, who finds himself a noble enough cause. Thats his choice, who are we to judge?
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Re: Would you? Could you? [Re: Asante]
#26898101 - 08/25/20 04:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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1/3 would blend. Shocking but not that surprising. Maybe the results would be different in the actual event? If it was a rat, I would blend
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So working for Satan is OK if the reward can benefit people? I don't give a shit if some people would avoid hunger or get treatment, I would not support such cruelty even though I am capable of it. It's a moral principle. I am not a utilitarian in this sense.
What if it was a baby in there, or the question was to do something horrible yourself to someone in exchange of making more people happy? Would you do it? (everyone)
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Re: Would you? Could you? [Re: Asante]
#26898108 - 08/25/20 04:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, Asante. You made it a selfless act. Your spirit guide only exists to you. We don't get to hear those conversations so it's your word against its. Who knows what you two talk about.
Believing a spirit guide speaks to you, in my most honest opinion, is borderline delusional.
You are listening to your own ego. And you should know this.
I hear voices all the time. Do I identify with any of them? No. They're just thoughts. I watch as they go by. I'm curious as to what a professional psychologist would have to say if someone walked into their office and said, "I have a spirit guide named _____ that talks to me."?
Also, I thought you and your spirit guide broke up? Did you find a new one or something? I distinctly remember a fire burning your old one.

If you wanted people to respond to a trolley experiment then set your poll up that way instead of just, "would you blend a cat for money?".
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Re: Would you? Could you? [Re: HamHead]
#26898131 - 08/25/20 05:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: So working for Satan is OK if the reward can benefit people?
You make it sound like death is inherently a bad thing. Choosing the path of the greater good at your own expense is not "working for the devil". You sacrifice yourself along with the kitten for the benefit of those others.
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HamHead said: No, Asante. You made it a selfless act. Your spirit guide only exists to you. We don't get to hear those conversations so it's your word against its. Who knows what you two talk about.
Believing a spirit guide speaks to you, in my most honest opinion, is borderline delusional.
You are listening to your own ego. And you should know this.
I hear voices all the time. Do I identify with any of them? No. They're just thoughts. I watch as they go by. I'm curious as to what a professional psychologist would have to say if someone walked into their office and said, "I have a spirit guide named _____ that talks to me."?
Also, I thought you and your spirit guide broke up? Did you find a new one or something? I distinctly remember a fire burning your old one.

If you wanted people to respond to a trolley experiment then set your poll up that way instead of just, "would you blend a cat for money?".
If you want to go the way of psychoanalytical musings: HamHead, I and several with me feel that you are off your rocker and that this might have something to do with you taking mushrooms every day. In many topics your contributions are off the mark, not to the point and leave the onlooker wondering what the heck is going on and whether you are for real.
With you, a 100 day break off drugs will probably correct that. With me, I have my spirit guide all my life, it is not something you understand and not something that any abstaining from drugs or any amount of medication will alter. It is at the core of my nature.
It actually is a thing since antiquity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(classical_mythology)
Your alienation from the consensus by overconsumption of psilocybin is also a thing.
If you microdose twice daily you will never land and just drift further and further away.
Moderators are considering you such a disruptive influence they discuss sanctioning you.
So, if you want some psychoanalysis: Ground yourself.
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It's not about death obviously. What I mean by working for Satan is that you are willing to do something horrible consciously. The fact that it is for the greater good doesn't really change it because for that second you are sacrificing your morals and the kitty for something that there is no objective measure for. It may seem that sacrificing the kitty for a million dollars is better but you don't know it. The world would not be a very nice place if this kind of stuff happened all the time. And to an extent there are made lots of sacrifices by some for the happiness of others. So basically I don't want to support that kind of tradeable morals.
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Sorry to deliver a oneliner InnerWisdom but given your musings:
WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE MEAT EATERS?
Animals are force-bred in in concentration camp like circumstances where living conditiond are SO BAD that animals with life expectancies of years are completely used up after mere weeks or months, then they are hauled off to apocalyptic extermination places where they are killed by the millions either by humans directly or in automated factory processes, then their corpses are defiled and processed into processed meats which then in 25% of cases are thrown away because of expiry instead of given to the needy, and this on such a scale that the environment is choking on their shit and jungles cleared to feed them, or the food is snatched away from developing nationsw where humans die of starvation.
Is that not far more diabolical than the horrific act of blenderizing a cat?
How is the reality of the meat industry sorta OK but this unspeakably evil, because the kitty has a face? Cow & Chicken have a face too, and you would not enjoy the expression of anguish on those faces.
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If I listened to those voices in my head, I would have either hung myself or shot myself with an r700 .270 that I gave to my brother because of said thoughts. I did that. I was aware of those thoughts so I took actions to ease my anxiety and got rid of my rifle that I bought on one of my birthdays.
And this was before I was microdosing. I was taking high doses. Which has not been done in almost 2 years.
Since I've been microdosing, it has become easier to seperate my self identity with those thoughts that flow through my mind. I feel more connected to my own body than I have ever been. And since I have been taking high doses of vitamin C, I have been feeling even better.
If I am off my rocker for sharing information about covid, information that anyone can find so it's not like I'm making any of it up, then those sources, ie Yale professor Dr. Harvey Risch is also off his rocker?
Honestly?
Why would a professor put his career on the line? While the dean supports him?
Discussion?
Edit. Would you be recommending someone stopping their antidepressants for 100 days?
These mushrooms help me. They prevent icepick headaches. Which are unpredictable.
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Re: Would you? Could you? [Re: HamHead]
#26898184 - 08/25/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its not about your opinion about COVID.
Its a more generalized disruptiveness to the flow.
I understand that life is difficult, it is for most, so lets try make it less difficult for each other.
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