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tyrannicalrex said:


Like with the apparitions seen in visionary states induced by psychedelic substances or in dreams , we should know them as pure mind phenomena, in other words, they are of/is/are mind. What’s that tell you? Should make one question a lot of things, in a good way that leads to a better understanding. Unchecked personal beliefs should be cast aside and as more becomes clear over time through reflecting upon our experience we will naturally be more open but also more discerning, at least, that’s my wish/aspiration.
We can’t say it’s there & we can’t really say it’s not there, that’s why Mind is special-yet-ordinary and primordially pure. Really even beyond pure and impure etc, but ya know how the paradoxical nature & limits with lingo is, I pray. Somewhat like the Universe, sure quarks and protons and whatever come together in ways that give rise to appearances, but they are impermanent too, and the conservation of energy and Omega’ value should be a potential clue presenting a worthy route of investigation as to the nature of the universe & mind being mirrored in some deep yet simple way.
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don't take anything in life too seriously and you'll be fine.. care less about your own thoughts and more about your fellow humans. that's what i've learned so far...
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Re: Psilocybin truth or lies [Re: epilectric]
#26900664 - 08/26/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Epilectric, comin' outta hiding!
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redgreenvines said: It does not chase per se, but seems to do so as it wiggles along in the chemical trail of the larger prey.
Clever girl.
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PrimalSoup
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IME mushroom trips will feed you all kinds of strange stuff seemingly just to see if you'll buy it. People like tripping (small amounts/frequencies) because the strange stuff is so entertaining while being presented as literally true (i.e. in the sense of a hallucination appears to be utterly real, so much so that you don't question it - much like dreams seem real at the time, no matter how far fetched). People also like tripping (large doses and/or frequencies) because they enjoy coming in contact with whatever the underlying reality is that seems to pervade trip experiences. Some people swing from one to the other extreme (me for instance) over time. Nothing you can really do with any of that that's harmful IME.
Whether these trips are being "sent" from some other separate realm/entity/reality is a different kind of question than their epistemological veracity. You can accept the information from trips and act on it to improve your life - countless people will attest to this. You can accept the information from trips that are visionary and actually predict future events or to locate objects - less but still a substantial number of people will attest to this. You can just enjoy the visuals and the vibes - even more people, likely most all, do this. You can use the connection that hyperspace enables with the spirit realm to do practical healing "magic" or earth "magic" or weather "magic" or any of a long list of things. Don't find too many people get quite that far.
But the point is the trip itself is beyond "truth or lies", it inhabits a level of consciousness that is very difficult to evoke without the aid of the mushrooms. It brings you a direct connection to a larger reality that typically lies hidden in the mundane world, and this connection is extremely valuable, extremely useful, and available for the most part to anybody who wants to partake.
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Re: Psilocybin truth or lies [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26901261 - 08/26/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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lostintimenspc said: The world is abstract. "External" today still means something like rich people wearing wigs in scholarly places decided it did, namely, that it was a fairly basic machine.
After a certain amount of changing of the mind, you can come to realise that the world is an internal state, start to finish. Multileveled, and unanswered for.
You sound a bit schizoid. Schizophrenia is a physical condition, it arises from poor childhoods especially ones with episodes of trauma. Schizophrenia is the condition a traumatized child is left in, and the brain grows from there. Essentially some parts of the brain aren't as big as others. (Don't bother with medication)
I think mushrooms can probably help with schizoid brains. Just my opinion and experience. They regrow the brain, that's one.
What the fuck, dude? For thinking psilocybin may be an external experience he sounds schizoid?
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hotspringsmystic
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I believe its not a concious force but the brain and mind connecting in new and different ways from conventional reality and can be used as a tool for healing and growth.
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epilectric
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tyrannicalrex said: Epilectric, comin' outta hiding! 
went to my grandma's place for a week to lower living costs
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tyrannicalrex
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Re: Psilocybin truth or lies [Re: epilectric]
#26902059 - 08/27/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hell yeah! No shame in that game.
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epilectric
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hotspringsmystic said: I believe its not a concious force but the brain and mind connecting in new and different ways from conventional reality and can be used as a tool for healing and growth.
That sounds like a safe ontological starting point.
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Re: Psilocybin truth or lies [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said: ...
But the point is the trip itself is beyond "truth or lies", it inhabits a level of consciousness that is very difficult to evoke without the aid of the mushrooms. It brings you a direct connection to a larger reality that typically lies hidden in the mundane world, and this connection is extremely valuable, extremely useful, and available for the most part to anybody who wants to partake.

Agreed with everything, however, rather than saying "a level of consciousness" - which is fraught with definition distractions, I would say "mind state", which opens into solid analysis in a number of directions and clarity across the board.
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PrimalSoup
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Yeah I think you're right there. Let me see...
But the point is the trip itself is beyond "truth or lies", it inhabits a mental realm that is very difficult to evoke without the aid of the mushrooms. It brings you a direct connection to a larger reality that typically lies hidden in the mundane world, and this connection is extremely valuable, extremely useful, and available for the most part to anybody who wants to partake.
Mental realm is more or less non-partisan. Mind state would also work.
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