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OfflineKryptos
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GOP platform 2020 * 2
    #26897586 - 08/24/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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WHEREAS, The RNC enthusiastically supports President Trump and continues to reject the policy positions of the Obama-Biden Administration,as well as those espoused by the Democratic National Committee today; therefore,be it

RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;

RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention




Basically, "we're against that black guy that was president a decade ago, and we'll do whatever Trump says we should do"

Well, at least it's concise.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26897758 - 08/24/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The Trump thing is like a religion . Thinking is not required .


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26898232 - 08/25/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Portraying Joe Biden as a communist is, I guess, novel.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26898270 - 08/25/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The virus is so dangerous we can’t use mailboxes and it’s also safe enough  to just pack everyone back into school .
  Logic is for suckers I guess .


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26898274 - 08/25/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think that is their platform. If we vote by mail, that proves the election was rigged. Trump is just as certain as I am that he's going to lose, so the excuses were written even before the convention.

Yeah, and schools. There will be a lot of schools switching back to remote learning between now and the election. That's going to hurt him too.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26898283 - 08/25/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Trumpers have set America ablaze and now are marching into the flames.

Let it burn already.

A forest needs forest fires to clear away the old to make way for the new.

Let it burn.

The current worldwide system, Babylon, is destroying the planet.

TRUMP 2020 - not because it will save America but because it won't.



Out of love for the American people, Humanity and the Life of Earth - your governmental system must catastrophically fail so there will be a new, better one.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26898428 - 08/25/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Problem is, it won't destroy the American system.

We'll root out all of the "internal" enemies. The leftists, the brown people, the union organizers, the people that are in favor of basic regulations. Then we'll either go back to normal and never speak of the "dark times" again, but with fewer rights, or we'll turn to external enemies such as Iran, China, and Europe. Depends on how long King Tweety can be kept alive. Once he fills his last Depends, we'll move on with fewer rights, welcoming the "new democratic era".

The system will be fine. You won't.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26899248 - 08/25/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
Trumpers have set America ablaze and now are marching into the flames.

Let it burn already.

A forest needs forest fires to clear away the old to make way for the new.

Let it burn.

The current worldwide system, Babylon, is destroying the planet.

TRUMP 2020 - not because it will save America but because it won't.



Out of love for the American people, Humanity and the Life of Earth - your governmental system must catastrophically fail so there will be a new, better one.




Every better system was thought through painstakingly. The founding fathers debated over how to establish America vigorously for a very long time.

We will definitely get a new system one way or another, but I doubt it's going to be, "better" unless people are willing to make larger sacrifices and think even harder and with more nuance than the founding fathers did.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26899262 - 08/25/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Here is the problem right here. The fear instilled in extremely devout christian peoples minds. It's pretty damn sickening. WHY does the phrase freedom FROM religion NEVER get used or printed much? WHY does the separation of church and state really not exist and people are elected based on their religion of choice, mainly catholic it seems? Why does religion seem to rule peoples decisions when it shouldn't?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rnc-speakers-reach-for-god-as-trumps-support-slips-among-white-evangelicals/ar-BB18mAx0?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout
This week's efforts at the RNC to further court white evangelicals will likely have little impact, said Richard Flory, the senior director of research and evaluation at the University of Southern California's Center for Religion and Civic Culture. That's because, Flory explained, those voters are likely to vote for a Republican no matter what.

"It's just not natural for evangelicals to vote for Democrats," Flory said. "In the end, they'll support Trump because he tells them what they want to hear. The fear taps into a deep strain of the American evangelical of the way they understand the world: it's going down and you gotta get saved."


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26899293 - 08/25/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Separation of church and state is not in the Constitution. Thomas only wrote that to/for Danbury Baptists. Looks like evangelicals are abandoning Trump, Ergo why so much at the RNC convention. Kamala Harris quoted bible passage at DNC convention as well. Its a wide net.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26899307 - 08/25/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

True, check this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/billy-grahams-granddaughter-evangelical-leaders-are-failing-us-by-supporting-trump/ar-BB18mBCW?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

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The granddaughter of late evangelical Christian leader Billy Graham is accusing current church leaders of spitting on his memory with their continued support of President Trump.

"I have spent my entire life in the church, with every big decision guided by my faith. But now, I feel homeless," Jerushah Duford wrote in an op-ed for USA Today. "Like so many others, I feel disoriented as I watch the church I have always served turn their eyes away from everything it teaches. I hear from Christian women on a daily basis who all describe the same thing: a tug at their spirit."

Duford wrote that she often feels that unpleasant "tug" when listening to Trump's rhetoric, citing his recent comments about scraping an Obama-era rule meant to quash segregation and provide low-income housing.

"Jesus said repeatedly to defend the poor and show kindness and compassion to those in need. Our president continues to perpetuate an us-versus-them narrative, yet almost all of our church leaders say nothing," she wrote.

Duford also wrote that the silence from church leaders shows that marginalized communities are "no longer valued by individuals claiming to uphold the values my grandfather taught."

She specifically noted Trump walking through Lafayette Square to St. John's Church in Washington, D.C., after tear gas was used on peaceful protesters in front of the White House.

"He held a Bible, something so sacred to all of us, yet he treated that Bible with a callousness that would offend anyone intimately familiar with the words inside it," Duford wrote. "He believed that action would honor him and only him. However, the church, designed to honor God, said nothing."

She wrote that the church that she was raised in has become a "laughing stock," recalling other female members of her family expressing their own discomfort with their family's support of the Trump administration.

"We represent God before we represented any political party or leader. When we fail to remember this, we are minimizing the role He created for us to fill," she wrote. "Jesus loved women; He served women; He valued women and we need to give ourselves permission to stand up and do the same."

Graham, an ordained Southern Baptist minister from North Carolina, died in 2018 at the age of 99 after having risen to national prominence for his televised sermons and crusades. He served as a counselor to a dozen presidents and was known as "America's Pastor."

His second-youngest son Franklin Graham - Duford's uncle - took over his father's ministries in 2002 and is a loyal supporter of Trump.

Duford told Newsweek that she hasn't spoken to her uncle, who is scheduled to speak at the Republican National Convention on Tuesday, but "his voice was a large reason for my speaking out."

The op-ed comes after she joined the Lincoln Women, the new coalition of Republican women formed by the anti-Trump group The Lincoln Project.

The organization opposes Trump and calls for other women to cast votes for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.).

"Honored to have met and to stand with powerful women who can no longer ignore the tug in their spirit when they look at our country," she wrote on Twitter.


It seems like the "religious right" and the "silent majority" are the ones who control the voting mostly, but I don't pay that much attention.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26899310 - 08/25/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Catholics are hardly the predominant religious group elected in the US.

Kennedy was the 1st catholic president and it was a big deal. In fact, he was the 1st and only catholic


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #26899323 - 08/25/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Half of the guest speakers at the RNC had the last name Trump.
Wonder when the make America like North Korea hats go on sale ?


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26899328 - 08/25/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What would you say is?


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26899361 - 08/25/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:
What would you say is?




Protestant.

Hence WASP: White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant

Evangelicals are a subset of protestant Christians. As are Baptists.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26899368 - 08/25/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Every better system was thought through painstakingly. The founding fathers debated over how to establish America vigorously for a very long time.

We will definitely get a new system one way or another, but I doubt it's going to be, "better" unless people are willing to make larger sacrifices and think even harder and with more nuance than the founding fathers did.




15 years total. And a good chunk of the "founding fathers" would be more accurately known as "founding teenagers" or "founding twentysomethings". Youngest person to sign the declaration of independence was 16.

So, actually, by now the Shroomery should be able to put together a better founding document for a nation. There's at least a dozen people that have more than three brain cells to rub together around here, and it's been around for longer. I'm sure we even have a rulebreaking teenager or three.

Of course, I doubt that some of the richest people in the country are on the Shroomery. That was George Washington's greatest skill. He was the Bezos of the 1770s. Well, maybe not Bezos. He inherited most of his wealth. Bezos only inherited a small fraction of his current wealth. Couple million, 40,000 acres...


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26899436 - 08/25/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Threadworthy. Thats a bold statement.....that we could.

I do think the comforts of today, make discourse much easier. Who is gonna pen the script all feather like?


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Asante]
    #26899638 - 08/25/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
Trumpers have set America ablaze and now are marching into the flames.

Let it burn already.

A forest needs forest fires to clear away the old to make way for the new.

Let it burn.

The current worldwide system, Babylon, is destroying the planet.

TRUMP 2020 - not because it will save America but because it won't.



Out of love for the American people, Humanity and the Life of Earth - your governmental system must catastrophically fail so there will be a new, better one.




I fucking despise this mentality. The system won’t collapse. It will just be changed to serve the interest of Donald Trump. Meanwhile real people will suffer.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26899640 - 08/25/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Trump literally pardoned some lady on live TV from the White House during the RNC tonight. The man has absolutely no shame.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26899652 - 08/25/20 11:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I think that is their platform. If we vote by mail, that proves the election was rigged. Trump is just as certain as I am that he's going to lose, so the excuses were written even before the convention.

Yeah, and schools. There will be a lot of schools switching back to remote learning between now and the election. That's going to hurt him too.




By October trump will be claiming Biden was pushing for schools to open.

The amount of lies told at the RNC tonight was stunning. The Republican Party is in the moral gutter.

this woman - who took a bribe from Trump to shut down an investigation - was railing against Joe Biden’s nepotism. Look at the list of upcoming speakers.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26899653 - 08/25/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Let’s talk about how Michael Cohen blackmailed Jerry Falwell Jr to throw his suppprt behind trump by threatening to leak the pictures of him and his wife with the pool boy.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26899935 - 08/26/20 05:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Jr says its true that his wife had "an inappropriate relationship" with the pool boy, but denies that he watched or participated. It was nice to see that scumbag go down.

His father was the one that connected the dots for Ronald Reagan to to start the relationship between fundamentalist Christians and the GOP.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26899950 - 08/26/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Kimberly Guilfoyle has an absolutely unhinged RNC speech. These people are crazy



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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26899989 - 08/26/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

My God. President Trump emancipated us. He really does think he belongs on Mount Rushmore.

I had read Kimberly was screaming like a mad woman. This and AOC were the only parts of the conventions I've seen. AOC seemed nervous; couldn't stop blinking her eyes.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26899997 - 08/26/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I couldn’t finish that video. Fuck that is some crazy shit. They will literally say anything to fear monger their base.


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    #26899999 - 08/26/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I just manned up and turned it back on to find the video isn’t five minutes of her screaming and that there’s commentary at the end. That dude said a lot of what I was thinking. That speech was some scary fascist bullshit.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: christopera]
    #26900006 - 08/26/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Both her and Don Jr seem coked up TBH

I watched it again a second time. It’s one of the craziest speeches I’ve ever seen. Everyone in that family is a horrible person.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26900010 - 08/26/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I honestly don't care if they are coked up, but the content of the speech is batshit crazy.


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    #26900183 - 08/26/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That's one nasty bitch, why would Don Jr be with her in the first place?  I think it's because the Trump's are broke.


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    #26900206 - 08/26/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

She agreed to fuck up her face and get ridiculous fake boobs too


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26900284 - 08/26/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I want to know how she thinks shes an immigrant when she was born a U.S. citizen, via her mother, who was also a citizen. Is it because her father was Irish?


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: christopera]
    #26900516 - 08/26/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's because she doesn't recognize the status of Puerto Rico as part of the U.S.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: qman]
    #26900695 - 08/26/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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That's one nasty bitch, why would Don Jr be with her in the first place?  I think it's because the Trump's are broke.




Budget Melania.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26900722 - 08/26/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

She’s a gold digger for political power. Her last husband/bf was Gavin newsome


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26900772 - 08/26/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So is Baron Trump the special guest speaker tonight?
He's probably the most sensible member of that clan.
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    #26900778 - 08/26/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He's 14 years old, kind of shitty of them to put that much pressure on him.


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    #26900813 - 08/26/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

My suggestion, not theirs. :smirk: . . . :peace:


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    #26936303 - 09/15/20 02:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Im a the only non-christian here that doesn't get butt hurt over the world God?


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: 1uptoadstool]
    #26938083 - 09/15/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What platform is needed?

Wall built, Check.
Taxes lowered, check.
China trade equalized, check.
No new wars, no existing wars.  check.
Economy kicking ass, check.
USA #1, check.
Guns being sold like candy corn, check
Obummercare repealed, check.

I suppose if we could add anothee wall along the canadian border that would be great.  Theyre basically china anyway. 

Maybe lower taxes some more and start construction of SPACE FORCE HUMVEES.  ON THE MOON!


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26940023 - 09/17/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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So, actually, by now the Shroomery should be able to put together a better founding document for a nation.




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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: meltdowner] * 4
    #26940389 - 09/17/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What platform is needed?

Wall built, Check.
Taxes lowered, check.
China trade equalized, check.
No new wars, no existing wars.  check.
Economy kicking ass, check.
USA #1, check.
Guns being sold like candy corn, check
Obummercare repealed, check.

I suppose if we could add anothee wall along the canadian border that would be great.  Theyre basically china anyway. 

Maybe lower taxes some more and start construction of SPACE FORCE HUMVEES.  ON THE MOON!



Thats weird, I still have my obamacare. The market is extremely unstable right now. Barely any wall has been built, mostly just replaced existing wall. Guns are always selling well especially when everyone is scared shitless of the future. The trade deficit is horrendous. No one I know had any substantial tax decreases...which america do you live in?


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 3
    #26940408 - 09/17/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The one where corporations and billionaires doing well means we're all doing well.


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    #26940445 - 09/17/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

But we need to keep supporting the free market, that way, we can all reap the huge benefit that is Wall Street.:cookiemonster:


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    #26940461 - 09/17/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Long live the Multi Quadrillionaire, sole inhabitant of Planet Landfill.

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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: meltdowner] * 3
    #26940564 - 09/17/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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no existing wars.




Except for, you know, the War on Terror in Afghanistan and the US interventionism in Syria, both of which are still going on today and have had the highest death toll of any armed conflict on the planet consistently for the last five years.

Do you seriously believe that your orange daddy magically made all that nasty war go away, or are you just ignorant?


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26940589 - 09/17/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The entire list is basically a lie. Not just that point. So the obvious answer is that it’s willful ignorance, I.e. he believes in magic.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26940640 - 09/17/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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no existing wars.




Except for, you know, the War on Terror in Afghanistan and the US interventionism in Syria, both of which are still going on today and have had the highest death toll of any armed conflict on the planet consistently for the last five years.



I don't know.  Take a read of this post regarding Afghanistan.

And we haven't had the highest death toll in the last 5 years - it's gone WAY down since Bush and Obama.

And here's some new news on Afghanistan.


Regarding Syria, koods gave me a low rating because I gave Trump some credit for ending the war there while he felt we should have kept fighting for the Kurds against the Syrian Government.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26940682 - 09/17/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

IDK, maybe these reports are coming from the expected neo-liberal war profiteers, but this is what I keep reading. Russia has strong interests in Syria, and it's quite to their advantage if we're out of the way.

Russia is competing with Turkey for a certain level of control in Syria. Turkey is an interesting case as they seem to be in the middle of a hornet's nest everywhere they go. Most of the Middle East, including Israel, is trying to prevent Turkey from gaining influence in the region. This is, in part, what motivated Israel and UAR to start getting friendly. In the Mediterranean, France just announced they will aid Greece and Cyprus militarily against Turkey.


I guess my point is that while American military isolationism sounds attractive after these endless wars, it will inevitably lead to strategic gains for Russia and China. It's probably a moot point because Biden is going to win the election and we will be back in the military adventurism business.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26940720 - 09/17/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know.  Take a read of this post regarding Afghanistan.




Meltdowner's claim was that there are currently no wars under the Trump administration. Let's say that he did successfully withdraw 4,000 troops from Afghanistan. There are more than 4,000 troops there (at any given point in 2019, there were an average of about 12,000 US troops there), so withdrawing 4,000 of them shouldn't be considered ending the war.

Also, I want to be clear that I'm not critical of only the Trump administration in this regard. The Bush administration started the war on Terror, the Obama administration escalated the conflict and launched a military intervention in Syria, and our current administration hasn't withdrawn our military presence either. This clearly isn't about democrat or republican. Clearly, military interventionism and war are high priorities for both parties.

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And we haven't had the highest death toll in the last 5 years - it's gone WAY down since Bush and Obama.




If you read my last comment carefully, you'll see that I didn't say that the death toll has gone up or that it has remained the same. My claim was that Afghanistan and Syria have consistently suffered the most deaths by armed conflict during the last five years. For example, there were an estimated 49,742 deaths by armed conflict in Syria in 2016. That was the most death by armed conflict that occurred anywhere on the planet that year. In 2017, this number dropped down to about 39,000. Even though the number of deaths decreased, this was still the country with the most death by armed conflict anywhere on the planet. I hope that makes it perfectly clear what my point was, but just to reiterate: the US military has consistently been responsible for more death by armed conflict than any other organization on the planet for the last five years.

FYI, in 2018 and 2019, the country with the most deaths by armed conflict was Afghanistan. In 2018, there were an estimated 35,941 deaths, and in 2019, there were an estimated 41,735 deaths, so it's going back up again.


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    #26940747 - 09/17/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Russia has strong interests in Syria, and it's quite to their advantage if we're out of the way.



Their interests in Syria are probably similar to their interests in Crimea - to prevent the US from surrounding their country while breaking earlier “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward” following the German reunification deal.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26940756 - 09/17/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Meltdowner's claim was that there are currently no wars under the Trump administration.



You're right, that was incorrect.

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Clearly, military interventionism and war are high priorities for both parties.



No doubt.  Trump is fighting both sides on this, as my earlier post pointed out.

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I hope that makes it perfectly clear what my point was, but just to reiterate: the US military has consistently been responsible for more death by armed conflict than any other organization on the planet for the last five years.



Got it.  Thanks for the clarification, and I agree.  :thumbup:


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26940771 - 09/17/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Russia has strong interests in Syria, and it's quite to their advantage if we're out of the way.



Their interests in Syria are probably similar to their interests in Crimea - to prevent the US from surrounding their country while breaking earlier “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward” following the German reunification deal.




They're interested in self-protection. They're also interested in empire. It's the same situation as with all those Eastern European satellites.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26940800 - 09/17/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There is only one reason that deaths in Iraq have "gone down".

Trump signed an executive order that stopped counting deaths due to drone strikes.

Just like how Covid cases "magically disappear" when you stop testing for Covid, body counts "go down" when you stop counting.

Interestingly, independent counts show an increase of over 200% in civilian casualties as soon as Trump took office.

Nowadays, the pentagon doesn't even disclose when drone strikes happen "outside combat zones".


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26940804 - 09/17/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Of course they're interested in self preservation, but what's your evidence that they're interested in empire?

Russia hasn't taken over a single country since WWII, and they even allowed a US backed coup in Ukraine to occur (though they accepted Crimea's vote to return to Russia - as Crimea was Russian from 1783-1954 when Brezhnev gave it to Ukraine against the will of the Crimean people).

Russia wants to keep its alliances with nearby countries, and Syria is a lot closer geographically to Russia than the US.

Most of the Syrian people support Assad, but we don't seem to care about the will of the majority, we care about the will of the minority who support the US.




Meanwhile...



Syria has Russia's only base on the Mediterranean.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26940828 - 09/17/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Putin is an old school Soviet KGB agent. I believe that he would happily recreate the soviet empire if he could.

He is also smart enough to hide that fact very well.

Honestly, I'd say that it's safe to assume anyone that is in power seeks to expand their power, which almost always means they would not be opposed to leading an empire.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26940868 - 09/17/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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IDK, maybe these reports are coming from the expected neo-liberal war profiteers, but this is what I keep reading. Russia has strong interests in Syria, and it's quite to their advantage if we're out of the way.

Russia is competing with Turkey for a certain level of control in Syria. Turkey is an interesting case as they seem to be in the middle of a hornet's nest everywhere they go. Most of the Middle East, including Israel, is trying to prevent Turkey from gaining influence in the region. This is, in part, what motivated Israel and UAR to start getting friendly. In the Mediterranean, France just announced they will aid Greece and Cyprus militarily against Turkey.


I guess my point is that while American military isolationism sounds attractive after these endless wars, it will inevitably lead to strategic gains for Russia and China. It's probably a moot point because Biden is going to win the election and we will be back in the military adventurism business.




The US war business never stopped, so why would you expect a different outcome under Biden. If it appears that Trump is behind some of the US pulling back in certain areas, I'm sure it's pure coincidence by aligning with US military strategy.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26940883 - 09/17/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sure most leaders would be happy to achieve world domination.

What I'm saying is the US is actively doing something about it, while Russia isn't.  They're just trying to maintain what little the US hasn't taken yet.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26940891 - 09/17/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

How many countries has the U.S. taken over since WWII? (Grenada)  That's not how it's done anymore. Neo-Imperialism and proxy wars. I'll grant you that we are a far worse exploiter.

Putin's popularity, IMO, is primarily based on what my Russian History professor called their "need for a strong boss". They might have feared Stalin but they were proud of the world stature he brought them. I'm not saying Putin is like Stalin, but in the line of succession he is the most similar to him on the strong boss scale.


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    #26940996 - 09/17/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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How many countries has the U.S. taken over since WWII? (Grenada)  That's not how it's done anymore. Neo-Imperialism and proxy wars. I'll grant you that we are a far worse exploiter.



Agreed.  The US militarily has invaded a LOT more countries to spread its influence than Russia has, which mainly interfered when the US was trying to spread its imperialism.  Here are some of the countries we've invaded (not even counting any countries in the Western hemisphere):

North Korea
Vietnam
Iraq
Afghanistan
Libya
Syria

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Putin's popularity, IMO, is primarily based on what my Russian History professor called their "need for a strong boss". They might have feared Stalin but they were proud of the world stature he brought them. I'm not saying Putin is like Stalin, but in the line of succession he is the most similar to him on the strong boss scale.



Agreed.  The majority of Russians (certainly not all) like Putin.


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    #26941638 - 09/18/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think invading what is now called North Korea was a good idea, but I don't support the draft for that war so IDK.  The other ones were not, particularly Viet Nam and Iraq. We had to do something regarding Afghanistan, but Israeli style surgical strikes against the Taliban would have been far better than what we did there for 19 years.


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    #26942588 - 09/18/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Putin's popularity, IMO, is primarily based on what my Russian History professor called their "need for a strong boss". They might have feared Stalin but they were proud of the world stature he brought them. I'm not saying Putin is like Stalin, but in the line of succession he is the most similar to him on the strong boss scale.




That's not a uniquely Russian need, that's the end result of a perceived loss in status. Trump tried to play the exact same card with his whole "the world is laughing at us" shtick, he's just not competent enough to back it up, unlike Putin.

Putin was the result of a few factors: the collapse of the USSR, which led to internal turmoil where those with connections stole everything that wasn't nailed down (and, in some cases, things that were nailed down...some people once stole a literal bridge), and more or less weak leadership. Yeltsin was seen as a weak leader due to his (perceived) inability to control the transformation to a capitalist economy, though in retrospect he was actually pretty effective, and the economic turmoils that resulted were an inherent part of the reorganization of the economy.

Putin quickly took control of the situation, and had wide support because of it. He was seen as a stabilizing force. Since then, Putin has also proven himself a shrewd statesman, elevating the status of Russia from a failed former empire to what is it today. This played very well with the common folk, who went from vaguely screwed by communists to very screwed by capitalists.

I would say Putin's popularity is waning lately, because he has taken some more extreme measures to stay in power and crack down on opposition. This inherently annoys people, though I still think Putin has majority support, because he is keeping shit together while turning Russia into an international player again.

As for Stalin, he's an interesting figure. I would say he had less support than he deserved, at least in my lifetime. I wasn't alive in the time of Stalin himself, and I haven't had much of a discussion with my grandparents when it comes to politics. Mostly because four of my six grandparents (divorce) are no longer around, and the ones that are are in their late 90s and not in the best of shape. One thing that did happen, though, which I find interesting is that Stalin became the scapegoat for a lot of bad shit, while many of his accomplishments were instead awarded to Lenin. Even now, a lot of Russians refer to Lenin as "Grandpa Lenin", in a familial sense. The English language doesn't have nearly as big a vocabulary as Russian, so it's kinda hard to carry the exact concept over, but I guess something like "grandpa" or "granddaddy" would be most accurate. Less formal than even "grandfather".

I've always found the cultural differences between the US and Russia very fascinating. Especially the differences in Russian and US humor. Russian humor is often much more nihilistic, and in some cases downright bizarre, maybe even offensive, to an American audience.


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    #26942833 - 09/18/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

One of my teachers likened Lenin's reputation in the USSR as a combination of George Washington and Santa Claus.


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    #26942837 - 09/18/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It was just announced that we're sending troops into Syria to counter Russian aggression there.

It seems Trump is not sure which card he wants to play in these last weeks before the election, the Peacemaker or Tough Guy.


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    #26942862 - 09/18/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Got a link to go with that?  I couldn't find what you just described.

I only found a link saying that we're sending six Bradley Fighting Vehicles and fewer than 100 soldiers (who are already in Syria) to an area where the US tried to block Russians from passing though a few weeks ago.

The only "aggression" I read about (so far) was two vehicles bumping into each other:




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    #26942896 - 09/18/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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One of my teachers likened Lenin's reputation in the USSR as a combination of George Washington and Santa Claus.




Russian George Washington is accurate. I think comparing him to Santa Claus is a bit of a misrepresentation based on misunderstood graphetics.

Дедушка Ленин

Would be Grandpa (informal) Lenin, and obvious patriarchal reference, just like the Founding Fathers.

Дед Мороз

Is Santa Clause, or more literally, Father Frost. Though, a more accurate translation could be argued as Grandfather (formal) Frost. Father Frost is more rooted in pagan worship that immediately preceded Christianization.

While they both carry patriarchal associations, and the base word (Дед) is common to both, they are not directly related. It's like the language version of convergent evolution.

Edit: 'Д' is a 'D' sound. Which is why Borat, stylized as Borдt always threw me off. Decent enough movie, but I couldn't help but pronounce it "Bordt"


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    #26942934 - 09/18/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think my professor was just trying to translate his reputation into an American context. I think what he meant was Lenin was all good things to everybody. Since he successfully lead the revolution and died soon after, there was no chance for his reputation to be tarnished.

Lenin handpicked Trotsky as his successor, and stated that Comrade Stalin's methods were too harsh. But when Lenin died Trotsky was sick himself and far away, and Stalin was able to take control, largely through this connections in the government bureaucratic apparatus. Lenin once referred to him as a file clerk. Trotsky had much more of a continuous revolution approach (with a revolutionary party as the vanguard, rather than the government bureaucracy) and internationalist outlook. Stalin adapted a socialism in one country approach, which was totally antithetical to the theories of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky.

Stalin soon declared Trotsky an enemy of the state, which was not a good thing to be in the Stalinist Soviet Union. We'll never know what might have happened if Lenin lived longer, and Trotsky came next.


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    #26942972 - 09/18/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, his reputation was whitewashed quite a bit. Everybody quickly forgot about Lenin's Cheka. Hence the George Washington comparison is more accurate, methinks. Lots of bullshit mythology about Washington in the US. Remember the cherry tree?

I'm not certain that Trotsky was the right guy for the job. Fact is, Stalin not only saw the necessity of immediate industrialization (which likely saved the world when WWII came out), but he also saw the capitalist intervention coming soon after. Stalin's methods were harsh, yes, but he dragged Russia kicking and screaming through an industrial revolution in time to face first the Wehrmacht and second NATO.

Even if Trotsky was able to deal with the Wehrmacht, I don't think he would have been able to clamp down on capitalists quite as effectively, and the USSR would have fallen apart sooner. This would have accelerated Reagan, and we'd likely be in a much shittier position now, from a labor standpoint.


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    #26943283 - 09/18/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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no existing wars.




Except for, you know, the War on Terror in Afghanistan and the US interventionism in Syria, both of which are still going on today and have had the highest death toll of any armed conflict on the planet consistently for the last five years.

Do you seriously believe that your orange daddy magically made all that nasty war go away, or are you just ignorant?



Lol what troops have died?  We have mlre men killed in chicago every weekend.  I would call it more of a skirmish or a fight.  But a war? HAH

Also trump started no new wars!  Unlike obummer.


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    #26944048 - 09/19/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Lol what troops have died?  We have mlre men killed in chicago every weekend.  I would call it more of a skirmish or a fight.  But a war? HAH




You're right, meltdowner. Not many troops have died. Good thing our boys are okay, right?

Except for the fact that the vast majority of the deaths in Afghanistan and Syria during the last three years while your precious OrangeDaddy was president were civilians. Our troops killed thousands of innocent civilians, including women and children under the supervision of the Trump administration. War these days isn't about troops fighting other troops. War these days is about dropping bombs and drone striking civilians, disrupting the geopolitical landscape of a foreign nation for personal gain. If you thought that the War on Terror was just a bunch of American troops fighting Afghani and Syrian troops, then you need to open your eyes. Most of the deaths that have occurred during the war on terror have been civilian deaths, which is disgusting.

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Also trump started no new wars!  Unlike obummer.



This isn't about Democrat or Republican, though. Yes, Obama started the American intervention in Syria. His actions led to thousands of civilian casualties. He's a war criminal. So is George W. Bush for launching the war on terror. Trump has perpetuated the war (indeed, the civilian death tolls are going back up again in Afghanistan right now), so I'd say he's guilty as well.

Then again, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. I have a feeling you will defend Trump no matter what I say.


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    #26944190 - 09/19/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Trump is actively drawing down troops in Afghanistan (8000 to 4000 by the end of the year)and Iraq (5200-3000)against the MIC. The MIC has twice tried to drag him back into Syria with chemical weapon false flags, once in Afghanistan on baseless claims.

In February Trump signed a peace treaty with the Taliban (the "democratically elected") ruling party. This signaled and end to an 18 year war.

in dealing with Iran he assassinated one general in a surgical strike. no war was started. the gulf of hormuz standoff no war was started. were Trump a neocon he would have jumped at the chance to start new wars.

Trump has put America first and gotten us out of useless foreign wars and yes as a by product less brown people are getting killed. Ted cruz, jeb, and marco rubio would never have gotten us out of these wars and it goes without saying how fucked up libya is because of clinton and obama.


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    #26944201 - 09/19/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with JHOVA here based on what I currently know about the situation.


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Trump is actively drawing down troops in Afghanistan (8000 to 4000 by the end of the year)and Iraq (5200-3000)against the MIC. The MIC has twice tried to drag him back into Syria with chemical weapon false flags, once in Afghanistan on baseless claims.

In February Trump signed a peace treaty with the Taliban (the "democratically elected") ruling party. This signaled and end to an 18 year war.

in dealing with Iran he assassinated one general in a surgical strike. no war was started. the gulf of hormuz standoff no war was started. were Trump a neocon he would have jumped at the chance to start new wars.

Trump has put America first and gotten us out of useless foreign wars and yes as a by product less brown people are getting killed. Ted cruz, jeb, and marco rubio would never have gotten us out of these wars and it goes without saying how fucked up libya is because of clinton and obama.




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    #26944261 - 09/19/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

unironically i think Trump is more deserving of the Noble peace prize than Obama was before he started drone striking the shit out of everyone. obama was awarded the NPP for his "potential" and because of black privilege'.

Trumps accomplishments with facilitating peace treaties and normalized trade relations between (Israel and Bahrain) and (Israel and UAE) are not america first and are purely for Bibis approval rating.

The transnational press instead decides that the Noble peace prize should be ended totally just because they put hating Trump over de-escalation and normalization between nations.

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unironically i think Trump is more deserving of the Noble peace prize than Obama was before he started drone striking the shit out of everyone. obama was awarded the NPP for his "potential" and because of black privilege'.

Trumps accomplishments with facilitating peace treaties and normalized trade relations between (Israel and Bahrain) and (Israel and UAE) are not america first and are purely for Bibis approval rating.

The transnational press instead decides that the Noble peace prize should be ended totally just because they put hating Trump over de-escalation and normalization between nations.

which is to be expected from the journalist class always serving global interests instead of their host nation.




The amount of time trump and his cult members spend whining about being treated unfairly - airing every single petty grievance - is staggering. People don’t like trump. He’s an asshole. Deal with it.


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    #26946860 - 09/20/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its maga season and wtr are going to pack the scotus and rescind roe v wade and leave it up yo the states at least.

When the election is contested the scotus will either tie or give us the win.


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    #26946891 - 09/20/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Im people and I like Trump.  He is our asshole Mr Koodsy.  He's our asshole for 8 more years!


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Its maga season and wtr are going to pack the scotus and rescind roe v wade and leave it up yo the states at least.

When the election is contested the scotus will either tie or give us the win.




I hope we get a real hardcore conservative in there.  Someone to start letting these whiny leftists know what REAL fascism is! 
Public schools require dresscode.  Expulsion for non compliance.  Dyed hair?  Explusion.  Tattoo?  Expulsion.  Phone on school grounds?  Expulsion.  Art is ditched, gym is mandatory.  Cant run a mile?  You stay there until you do.

English, health, patriotism and STEM are the only classes taught.  Only allowed language spoken is English.  Speak spanish on school grounds?  Expulsion.

Drug dealing = imprisonment in a dark hole for a week and 20 lashes.  Caught twice, hung in the streets.
Kill someone = firing squad of the victims family.
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Can either you or your kid(s) run a mile?


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Its maga season and wtr are going to pack the scotus and rescind roe v wade and leave it up yo the states at least.

When the election is contested the scotus will either tie or give us the win.




I hope we get a real hardcore conservative in there.  Someone to start letting these whiny leftists know what REAL fascism is! 
Public schools require dresscode.  Expulsion for non compliance.  Dyed hair?  Explusion.  Tattoo?  Expulsion.  Phone on school grounds?  Expulsion.  Art is ditched, gym is mandatory.  Cant run a mile?  You stay there until you do.

English, health, patriotism and STEM are the only classes taught.  Only allowed language spoken is English.  Speak spanish on school grounds?  Expulsion.

Drug dealing = imprisonment in a dark hole for a week and 20 lashes.  Caught twice, hung in the streets.
Kill someone = firing squad of the victims family.
Rape someone = death by polearm up the ass.
Theft = 20 lashes



Are you like... A real person? Or are you just a cartoon character. Seriously starting to believe this guy is a troll haha.


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    #26947112 - 09/21/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yes I ran 3 chicago marathons.  My kids are still too young to run a mile.


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He finally admits hes a fascist boot licker.


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I hope we get a real hardcore conservative in there.  Someone to start letting these whiny leftists know what REAL fascism is! 




  Fascism is just racism combined with a disassociation from reality .  It should be pretty clear what it is to anyone whose been paying attention to Trump, his terrified cult of deplorable white trash  , and ridiculous statements like yours .


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    #26947467 - 09/21/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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unironically i think Trump is more deserving of the Noble peace prize than Obama was before he started drone striking the shit out of everyone. obama was awarded the NPP for his "potential" and because of black privilege'.




"black privilege" - there's a topic most people don't want to discuss  :eek:



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Too bad his  name was Barack instead of Phillip or Hank . Then he could have enjoyed his white privilege too .


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Fascism is just racism combined with a disassociation from reality.



Umm, idk about that. Race doesn't necessarily have to be a part of a fascist's ideology (though it almost always has been, historically). The best way to characterize fascism is as far right-wing authoritarian ultra-nationalism. Fascists tend to believe that there is a proper order (or hierarchy) to things, and advocate for the enforcement of that order via violent force. More often than not, the justification given for the existence of such a hierarchy is racial superiority, but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.

Yes, we are seeing fascism show its face again in America today, which is most troubling. Yet again, it seems that a lot of Americans believe in a racial order: one that places people of color below whites. The hierarchy in America transcends our borders as well (there's a belief circulating in America that we are superior to Mexicans). Indeed, both of these examples of racial order in America are presently enforced through violent force. For people of color, it's typically the police enforcing order. For Mexicans (and other immigrants), it's typically immigration police and ICE enforcing order. The people who advocate for either of these organizations using violent force to enforce an unjust racial hierarchy are bootlicking fascists and, as you've pointed out, many of them are Trump supporters.


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Fascism is just racism combined with a disassociation from reality.



Umm, idk about that. Race doesn't necessarily have to be a part of a fascist's ideology (though it almost always has been, historically). The best way to characterize fascism is as far right-wing authoritarian ultra-nationalism. Fascists tend to believe that there is a proper order (or hierarchy) to things, and advocate for the enforcement of that order via violent force. More often than not, the justification given for the existence of such a hierarchy is racial superiority, but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.

Yes, we are seeing fascism show its face again in America today, which is most troubling. Yet again, it seems that a lot of Americans believe in a racial order: one that places people of color below whites. The hierarchy in America transcends our borders as well (there's a belief circulating in America that we are superior to Mexicans). Indeed, both of these examples of racial order in America are presently enforced through violent force. For people of color, it's typically the police enforcing order. For Mexicans (and other immigrants), it's typically immigration police and ICE enforcing order. The people who advocate for either of these organizations using violent force to enforce an unjust racial hierarchy are bootlicking fascists and, as you've pointed out, many of them are Trump supporters.




I agree with most of what you stated and today we have corporate fascism, it doesn't care about race or ethnicity, it only cares about power and money. There are black billionaires in the US today, the fascism is economic today.

Corporate fascism doesn't care who you are and where you live, if you don't have big money it's going to exploit you.


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    #26947925 - 09/21/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What does any of that have to do with the govt ? Isn’t that just capitalism and human nature ?

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There are black billionaires in the US today, the fascism is economic today.




The are 614 and 7 of them are black .
  There were rich black people in the past nothing has changed .

https://www.salon.com/2018/02/26/madam-c-j-walker-wasnt-the-first-african-american-millionaire/

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    #26947928 - 09/21/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Fascism is about hierarchy, full stop. This is almost universally based on wealth. Racial aspects to fascism exist solely to get the poor people on board by blaming their fellow poor people.

A poor white guy, a poor mexican guy, a poor black guy, and a billionaire walk into a pizza place and order a pizza. Once the pizza arrives, the billionaire places a dollar on the table, takes all but one piece, and tells the poor white guy "be careful, or that black and mexican guy will steal your piece".

That's kinda what fascism is. Ultimately, it's an effective method to attack labor and consolidate power.


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Fascism is about hierarchy, full stop. This is almost universally based on wealth. Racial aspects to fascism exist solely to get the poor people on board by blaming their fellow poor people.

A poor white guy, a poor mexican guy, a poor black guy, and a billionaire walk into a pizza place and order a pizza. Once the pizza arrives, the billionaire places a dollar on the table, takes all but one piece, and tells the poor white guy "be careful, or that black and mexican guy will steal your piece".

That's kinda what fascism is. Ultimately, it's an effective method to attack labor and consolidate power.




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    #26948418 - 09/21/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Seems easier to just have patriotic education . That your tariff guy’s new thing .
  Probably less exhausting than racism, just as creepy though  . Doesn’t remind me of the Hitler youth thing at all , not sure why you were expecting me to say that .


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    #26948436 - 09/21/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Patriotic education doesn't provide a clear enemy to divide the working class. That's the point of the racism. If working class white people ever realize they have more in common with working class black people than with white billionaires, the system is fucked.

Patriotic education is a bit like the anti-critical thinking curriculum in Texas. It's designed to whitewash history and make racism easier. I'm pretty sure it's a direct response to the 1619 project.


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.  I wasn’t assuming the vast majority of African Americans would be receiving it . 
    Trump wants to defend our history from the radical left . Something tells me he’s not trying to build bridges and bring us together with this shit .
Who knows with this clown though . maybe someday he’ll tell a huge crowd of mostly black people they have good genes someday .


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    #26948666 - 09/22/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Patriotic education is a bit like the anti-critical thinking curriculum in Texas. It's designed to whitewash history and make racism easier. I'm pretty sure it's a direct response to the 1619 project.




The article, referencing a 2012 document, starts It's official: The Republican Party of Texas opposes critical thinking. Reading it was worth a good laugh, such as the Loch Ness Monster reference.

I'm pleased Donald Trump has the balls to strongly take steps against the racist 1619 Project. I am totally against teaching our children that crap. Trump's 1776 Unites project brings a smile to my face. OAC probably had a heart attack when she learned about that! OAC is helping to get Trump re-elected. Why can't people see that their hatred is helping Trump win?


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hatred is helping Trump win?



    Why wouldn’t I hate a guy that’s literally afraid to speak about Russia poisoning people ? I just saw him on the news , 
  “ uhh, we’ll talk about that at another time . “
  That’s all the cowardly little bitch could say about it .


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    #26948867 - 09/22/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Patriotic education is a bit like the anti-critical thinking curriculum in Texas. It's designed to whitewash history and make racism easier. I'm pretty sure it's a direct response to the 1619 project.




The article, referencing a 2012 document, starts It's official: The Republican Party of Texas opposes critical thinking. Reading it was worth a good laugh, such as the Loch Ness Monster reference.

I'm pleased Donald Trump has the balls to strongly take steps against the racist 1619 Project. I am totally against teaching our children that crap. Trump's 1776 Unites project brings a smile to my face. OAC probably had a heart attack when she learned about that! OAC is helping to get Trump re-elected. Why can't people see that their hatred is helping Trump win?




OAC. LOL.

I just read a story that AOC (spelled AOC) is pushing Chuck Shumer to the left, because he feels threatened by her chances of beating him in the New York Senatorial Primary in two years even if he is Senate Majority Leader. For this reason he's now all buddy buddy with her and partnering up on the fight the Supreme Court vote issue.

I have no idea what you're reading if you think that she or anything else is helping Trump win. Daily violence in the streets is not even helping the Republican cause and that is unfathomable, if we were talking about anybody other than Trump.  He's losing by important margins in the battleground states. and several major red states are now projected to vote blue. Are you all going to continue living in fantasy land until the day of the election, and then cry foul?

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    #26949456 - 09/22/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Daily violence in the streets most definitely helps republicans. It helps legitimize the eventual imposition of martial law, which I think has a greater than 50% chance of happening this year, 50/50 before the election.


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    #26949744 - 09/22/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Good luck curing human stupidity. Think thats the point, it is still around.


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    #26949823 - 09/22/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think we are going to watch the GOP pick their judge and die for it. It could mean not only a loss of the presidency but a turning of the senate.


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    #26949894 - 09/22/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

All speculation but definitely in the realm of possibility.....could this election doom one of the political parties to their fate? Who picks up the pieces if thats true?

Definitely in the minority here but I think Trump could win prez by a major, major gaff of Biden during debates.....but if Trump wins, it would be the fall of the Dem party? October suprise has yet to drop.


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I think we are going to watch the GOP pick their judge and die for it. It could mean not only a loss of the presidency but a turning of the senate.



The Supreme Court situation is going to backfire on trump. A lot of old school conservatives hold their noses to vote for trump because they wanted to replace Ginsburg with a conservative. Now they don’t have to vote for him.


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but if Trump wins, it would be the fall of the Dem party? October suprise has yet to drop.




We already know what the October Surprise is. Senator Ron Johnson (Republican) announced a day or two ago that his report on Biden and Ukraine, written entirely by Republicans behind closed doors over the last few weeks, is nearing completion. I actually called it, right here, a month and a half ago. I figured it would have come out a week or two back to account for mail in voting.

Trump winning may well be the fall of the democratic party, if not democracy itself. Barr has announced that NYC, Portland, and Seattle are "anarchist jurisdictions" in an obvious attempt to stop federal funding. Stone has called for arresting Trump's political opponents. It's entirely likely that being a democrat will become a crime if Trump wins again.


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It's entirely likely that being a democrat will become a crime if Trump wins again.



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Daily violence in the streets most definitely helps republicans. It helps legitimize the eventual imposition of martial law, which I think has a greater than 50% chance of happening this year, 50/50 before the election.




I would have thought so, but it's not showing up in the polls, and Trump is is polling well below Biden on the specific issue of law and order.


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    #26950558 - 09/23/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

On David Packman he compared the 2016 election poles at this point in the race to Biden/Trump poles at this point in. So Mid Septeber poling 2016 to mid September poling 2020. Hillary lead by like 1% or so in a few battle ground states, well within the margin of error. Biden has significant leads in several battle ground states, leads greater than the margin of error in many cases.

As we know, the swing voters are basically irrelevant. The news likes to talk about them but at this point the vast majority of votes are decided. So it’s not a looking great for Trump.

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    #26950868 - 09/23/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Possibly....that Ukraine shit has been known for awhile.
Still think something will pop off in October.


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Daily violence in the streets most definitely helps republicans. It helps legitimize the eventual imposition of martial law, which I think has a greater than 50% chance of happening this year, 50/50 before the election.




I would have thought so, but it's not showing up in the polls, and Trump is is polling well below Biden on the specific issue of law and order.




I'm not talking about polls. I'm talking about the, uh, "home field advantage" of the ability to declare martial law.


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    #26951282 - 09/23/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Whats it like 70 days after the election the prez must be sworn in? Mail in ballots within da states should be able to get counted, right? (Thats a big right). Whomever is behind will undoubtedly give "every vote counts" speech while looking for legal loopholes to delay. All this might end in in the SC.


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    #26951292 - 09/23/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That's the play. Delay counting as much as possible, make things as complicated as possible, and then have republican controlled battleground states simply assign electors by legislative right instead of by popular vote.

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"I just don't think this is the right time for me to be discussing those strategies and approaches, but [direct appointment of electors] is one of the options," he told The Atlantic. "It is one of the available legal options set forth in the Constitution."




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    #26951360 - 09/23/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So if we see the same thing as we saw in New Jersey, with thousands of votes bundled together, and signatures not matching, how should the Supreme Court vote if they were fair?


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I can't comment on that because I don;t know what "thousands of votes bundled together" and "signatures don't match" means.

First one, because from what I've read, it was only "hundreds of votes bundled together". What does this mean? Were they all rubberbanded together? When they arrived at the post office? when they arrived at the counting location? When they arrived at the judge's bench? NJ says you can send ballots on behalf of someone else. Apparently, near 1000 were thrown out because that "sent by ___ on behalf of" was left blank. Does that make those votes invalid? Maybe. Maybe not.

Signatures are another fun thing. See, I have a signature that I use, and It's consistently somewhat different. The signature I sent on my recent offer letter looks very different tot he signature on my driver's license, because I signed the document in PDF and used their "normal" signature script. Even if I signed by hand, though, I'm willing to bet literally everything that I own you could find a difference in the signature with which I signed the offer letter, versus the signature that I have on my DL, if you have access to a very high end 1000+ DPI scanner. Some of the pixels would be different. That's a fact of life. It it literally impossible to replicate a signature, because there will be minute differences due to your heartbeat and pulse causing involuntary motions as per Newton's Third Law. Not to mention every other aspect of real life.

In a perfect world, you would have a ballot linked to your identity, in some way, such as SSN, DOB, and address, kind of like taxes. You would have to cast a clear binary (or abstain) vote, such as the way polls work on the Shroomery. And you would do this from the comfort of your own home. However, this is not a perfect world. This is an imperfect world, in which some people would really prefer that you didn;t vote, because it would be bad for them if you did.

So, we have judges to figure it out. Just like in NJ. It's really too bad that the people that are most interested in limiting the access to the vote are also the people in charge of appointing judges to the Supreme Court.

So, to answer your question accurately: within the context of your question, both the acceptance of literally every vote cast, and the denial of literally every vote cast, is a valid outcome.


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I can't comment on that because I don;t know what "thousands of votes bundled together" and "signatures don't match" means.

First one, because from what I've read, it was only "hundreds of votes bundled together". What does this mean? Were they all rubberbanded together? When they arrived at the post office? when they arrived at the counting location? When they arrived at the judge's bench? NJ says you can send ballots on behalf of someone else. Apparently, near 1000 were thrown out because that "sent by ___ on behalf of" was left blank. Does that make those votes invalid? Maybe. Maybe not.

Signatures are another fun thing. See, I have a signature that I use, and It's consistently somewhat different. The signature I sent on my recent offer letter looks very different tot he signature on my driver's license, because I signed the document in PDF and used their "normal" signature script. Even if I signed by hand, though, I'm willing to bet literally everything that I own you could find a difference in the signature with which I signed the offer letter, versus the signature that I have on my DL, if you have access to a very high end 1000+ DPI scanner. Some of the pixels would be different. That's a fact of life. It it literally impossible to replicate a signature, because there will be minute differences due to your heartbeat and pulse causing involuntary motions as per Newton's Third Law. Not to mention every other aspect of real life.



I don't think signatures have to be exact on a 1000+ DPI scanner.  But you do highlight some real problems.

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In a perfect world, you would have a ballot linked to your identity, in some way, such as SSN, DOB, and address, kind of like taxes. You would have to cast a clear binary (or abstain) vote, such as the way polls work on the Shroomery. And you would do this from the comfort of your own home.



Excellent idea!  But the establishment doesn't want a perfect system.  They prefer the current system.  That's too bad.


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Timestamped Kryptos, that would be a hell of prediction.


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Electors not being sent/ popular/legislative vote, I think it was weeks ago, but these points brought it up again.


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    #26951609 - 09/23/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, that, yeah. I think Donald Trump will (technically) win, but not by popular vote, and likely not through anything we would currently consider legitimate. I expect Trump to win entirely by court order and legislative fuckery, mixed with a bit of violent crackdown.


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If I am brutally honest, the political voyeurism in me wants to see the above materialize. Been to many places overseas where it was clearly dicey (definitely more dicey caue we are there), after some political upheaval. Remember the first question that came to my mind "could this ever happen in the USA? It may be a very valuable lesson or the end.


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Stupid question. Yes it could. We aren't special.

"Will it happen" is a different question, and it depends on how many people realize that "could it happen?" is a stupid question.


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    #26951663 - 09/23/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Asked about a peaceful transfer of power, trump just said “Get rid of the ballots and you'll have a very...there won't be a transfer frankly, there'll be a continuation."

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    #26951669 - 09/23/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its not stupid to speculate on the potential demise of ones own government.

Or do we have to follow your semantics? Another stupid question!


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Unfortunately, evidence points to the fact that that speculation only really goes one way.


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    #26951834 - 09/23/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No, asking oneself if ones government can fail is not stupid. Not sure what thought police/ "your way" of thinking is. People question things differently,  or is  against "your logical method" ..... only good to ask if it will happen? Da
semantics  aforementioned.Getting anyone to question ( i.e.could, would, should, maybe, hopefully)power structures is a good thing.

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    #26952321 - 09/24/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to agree with Enlil on his confidence in the Supreme Court. Regardless of the number of conservatives, they are not going to have their place in history painted by this Bozo. They are appointed for life. Trump's Presidency has nearly run it's course. 

It is entirely possible that Trump will only exit the White House when rifles are pointed at him.

If he declares martial law it will be a disaster for him. His base would love it, but the rest of the population is trying to gauge how much of a fascist he is. That would answer the question. Public sentiment is showing more negative concern for the police and Trump than for the rioters. And who would be the soldiers for this martial law? The active duty ones who now support Biden?

This is a side issue, but one that many posters on this forum seem to be mistaken about. Pew Research indicates that only 17% of those participating in the protests are black. Not much of a race war.


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No, asking oneself if ones government can fail is not stupid. Not sure what thought police/ "your way" of thinking is. People question things differently,  or is  against "your logical method" ..... only good to ask if it will happen? Da
semantics  aforementioned.Getting anyone to question ( i.e.could, would, should, maybe, hopefully)power structures is a good thing.

Oh yes, and there is a such thing as a dumb question! I forgot.




Perhaps we are talking about two different things. I consider speculation that "could a system fail" to be a waste of time, because the answer is always yes. Any nonzero chance collapses to one given an infinite timeline. That's basic math.

I think a much more prudent discussion is one of the timeline of the failure of any given system.

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If he declares martial law it will be a disaster for him. His base would love it, but the rest of the population is trying to gauge how much of a fascist he is. That would answer the question. Public sentiment is showing more negative concern for the police and Trump than for the rioters. And who would be the soldiers for this martial law? The active duty ones who now support Biden?




I'm gonna guess not actual soldiers, but cops cosplaying as soldiers like DHS and ICE. The military chain of command would have to be crippled due to infighting for martial law to work out for Trump, and I don't think that's outside of the realm of possibility.


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    #26952486 - 09/24/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So kind of a reality TV version of martial law. Anything's possible but it would be a short lived experiment.


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    #26952565 - 09/24/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: christopera]
    #26952666 - 09/24/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's real that he's discussing it. I think his mind goes in and out of lucidity, and part of the time he understands that he's about done. The rest of the time he needs to indulge these fantasies.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: christopera]
    #26952672 - 09/24/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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christopera said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/23/report-trump-campaign-actively-discussing-radical-measures-to-bypass-election-results/amp/

The fuckery is real.



IF (and that's an IF not a WHEN) the democrats commit election fraud, the mainstream media is preparing the sheeple to wholeheartedly support it and oppose anyone against it.  :shrug:


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: christopera]
    #26952694 - 09/24/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I just read your link. I don't think it's a plausible theory. I think a party could rig the delegates in a primary, but the country would not accept the result of a general election rigged that way. But as I said in some post this morning, Trump may leave office at the end of a gun.

I liked the footnote in the link: "An investigation by Justin Levitt at Loyola Law School uncovered a total of 31 credible allegations of voter impersonations out of more than one billion votes cast in the United States from 2000 to 2014."


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    #26952818 - 09/24/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I tried to find a link but I’m on mobile and have been driving all day. There are reports that Democrats are already hiring lawyers to fight a potential scheme to ignore mail in ballots. This election could really be something to behold.

Let’s hope Americans are engaged enough to fight any scheme that may come. As we know, voter fraud isn’t really an issue, but the Republicans have already been busted in election fraud.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: christopera]
    #26952924 - 09/24/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If Trump was more popular and the election was going to be very close, I would be very worried about this. As things are I don't think there would be enough public support to allow them to get away with it, but yeah, there will probably be a temporary shit show.

What is more debatable IMO is whether Schumer and the Democrats will follow through with what is now being referred to as "Armageddon" revenge if the GOP is successful at putting another conservative on the SCOTUS. If the Dems control the government there are a host of radical countermeasures available to them. Or maybe they'll just chicken out.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26953009 - 09/24/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Schumer and the democrats could write a strongly worded letter and Fox News would explode with talk of "Armageddon".


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26953722 - 09/25/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If Trump was more popular and the election was going to be very close, I would be very worried about this.




Many who called the 2016 election accurately say Trump may easily win. Joe is such an incredibly feeble weak candidate, it may not be a close vote. That Dems are in meltdown mode is an indication they now know they might not have even a slim chance. If Joe Biden became president, the Inauguration would be like a funeral march. I feel bad for Joe. I don't think he's interested in the job at all.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26953783 - 09/25/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Schumer said if they push through the SCOTUS vote before the election, then "everything is on the table", referring to eliminating the filibuster rule, adding two seats to the Supreme Court, granting statehood to D.C. and Puerto Rico, and changing a variety of judicial rules to overcome the conservative advances.

The Democrats are trying to scare the GOP into delaying the confirmation vote, but that wont happen. The question is do the Democrats have the balls to make these moves if they get control. The only ones with the balls for really distasteful actions for decades is the GOP. Maybe the dems are ready to say enough is enough. We shall see.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26953786 - 09/25/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If Trump was more popular and the election was going to be very close, I would be very worried about this.




Many who called the 2016 election accurately say Trump may easily win. Joe is such an incredibly feeble weak candidate, it may not be a close vote. That Dems are in meltdown mode is an indication they now know they might not have even a slim chance. If Joe Biden became president, the Inauguration would be like a funeral march. I feel bad for Joe. I don't think he's interested in the job at all.




Your first sentence was correct, but that's just people with opinions continuing to have them. The part about the election probably not being close is accurate; just not the way you think. For the rest beginning with "If Joe Biden became President", I have this comment, Kamala Harris will be the first female President. Whether that happens in January, or four years later, or some time in between is an open question.

I don't like Kamala Harris too much, but American politics is always about the lesser of two evils. I would like to be idealistic, but I haven't been able to muster up any idealism since a couple months into Jimmy Carter's term.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26954782 - 09/25/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Brian Jones said:

If Trump was more popular and the election was going to be very close, I would be very worried about this.




Many who called the 2016 election accurately say Trump may easily win. Joe is such an incredibly feeble weak candidate, it may not be a close vote. That Dems are in meltdown mode is an indication they now know they might not have even a slim chance. If Joe Biden became president, the Inauguration would be like a funeral march. I feel bad for Joe. I don't think he's interested in the job at all.




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