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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26949823 - 09/22/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think we are going to watch the GOP pick their judge and die for it. It could mean not only a loss of the presidency but a turning of the senate.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26949894 - 09/22/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

All speculation but definitely in the realm of possibility.....could this election doom one of the political parties to their fate? Who picks up the pieces if thats true?

Definitely in the minority here but I think Trump could win prez by a major, major gaff of Biden during debates.....but if Trump wins, it would be the fall of the Dem party? October suprise has yet to drop.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: christopera]
    #26950070 - 09/22/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I think we are going to watch the GOP pick their judge and die for it. It could mean not only a loss of the presidency but a turning of the senate.



The Supreme Court situation is going to backfire on trump. A lot of old school conservatives hold their noses to vote for trump because they wanted to replace Ginsburg with a conservative. Now they don’t have to vote for him.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26950164 - 09/22/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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but if Trump wins, it would be the fall of the Dem party? October suprise has yet to drop.




We already know what the October Surprise is. Senator Ron Johnson (Republican) announced a day or two ago that his report on Biden and Ukraine, written entirely by Republicans behind closed doors over the last few weeks, is nearing completion. I actually called it, right here, a month and a half ago. I figured it would have come out a week or two back to account for mail in voting.

Trump winning may well be the fall of the democratic party, if not democracy itself. Barr has announced that NYC, Portland, and Seattle are "anarchist jurisdictions" in an obvious attempt to stop federal funding. Stone has called for arresting Trump's political opponents. It's entirely likely that being a democrat will become a crime if Trump wins again.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26950285 - 09/22/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It's entirely likely that being a democrat will become a crime if Trump wins again.



:hmm:


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26950540 - 09/23/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Daily violence in the streets most definitely helps republicans. It helps legitimize the eventual imposition of martial law, which I think has a greater than 50% chance of happening this year, 50/50 before the election.




I would have thought so, but it's not showing up in the polls, and Trump is is polling well below Biden on the specific issue of law and order.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26950558 - 09/23/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

On David Packman he compared the 2016 election poles at this point in the race to Biden/Trump poles at this point in. So Mid Septeber poling 2016 to mid September poling 2020. Hillary lead by like 1% or so in a few battle ground states, well within the margin of error. Biden has significant leads in several battle ground states, leads greater than the margin of error in many cases.

As we know, the swing voters are basically irrelevant. The news likes to talk about them but at this point the vast majority of votes are decided. So it’s not a looking great for Trump.

My mail in ballot should arrive any day now. I will deliver it in person.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26950868 - 09/23/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Possibly....that Ukraine shit has been known for awhile.
Still think something will pop off in October.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26951266 - 09/23/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Daily violence in the streets most definitely helps republicans. It helps legitimize the eventual imposition of martial law, which I think has a greater than 50% chance of happening this year, 50/50 before the election.




I would have thought so, but it's not showing up in the polls, and Trump is is polling well below Biden on the specific issue of law and order.




I'm not talking about polls. I'm talking about the, uh, "home field advantage" of the ability to declare martial law.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26951282 - 09/23/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Whats it like 70 days after the election the prez must be sworn in? Mail in ballots within da states should be able to get counted, right? (Thats a big right). Whomever is behind will undoubtedly give "every vote counts" speech while looking for legal loopholes to delay. All this might end in in the SC.


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Edited by SirTripAlot (09/23/20 03:11 PM)


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26951292 - 09/23/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That's the play. Delay counting as much as possible, make things as complicated as possible, and then have republican controlled battleground states simply assign electors by legislative right instead of by popular vote.

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Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the Pennsylvania GOP, said the elector strategy was something the party could pursue.

"I just don't think this is the right time for me to be discussing those strategies and approaches, but [direct appointment of electors] is one of the options," he told The Atlantic. "It is one of the available legal options set forth in the Constitution."




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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26951360 - 09/23/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So if we see the same thing as we saw in New Jersey, with thousands of votes bundled together, and signatures not matching, how should the Supreme Court vote if they were fair?


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26951398 - 09/23/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I can't comment on that because I don;t know what "thousands of votes bundled together" and "signatures don't match" means.

First one, because from what I've read, it was only "hundreds of votes bundled together". What does this mean? Were they all rubberbanded together? When they arrived at the post office? when they arrived at the counting location? When they arrived at the judge's bench? NJ says you can send ballots on behalf of someone else. Apparently, near 1000 were thrown out because that "sent by ___ on behalf of" was left blank. Does that make those votes invalid? Maybe. Maybe not.

Signatures are another fun thing. See, I have a signature that I use, and It's consistently somewhat different. The signature I sent on my recent offer letter looks very different tot he signature on my driver's license, because I signed the document in PDF and used their "normal" signature script. Even if I signed by hand, though, I'm willing to bet literally everything that I own you could find a difference in the signature with which I signed the offer letter, versus the signature that I have on my DL, if you have access to a very high end 1000+ DPI scanner. Some of the pixels would be different. That's a fact of life. It it literally impossible to replicate a signature, because there will be minute differences due to your heartbeat and pulse causing involuntary motions as per Newton's Third Law. Not to mention every other aspect of real life.

In a perfect world, you would have a ballot linked to your identity, in some way, such as SSN, DOB, and address, kind of like taxes. You would have to cast a clear binary (or abstain) vote, such as the way polls work on the Shroomery. And you would do this from the comfort of your own home. However, this is not a perfect world. This is an imperfect world, in which some people would really prefer that you didn;t vote, because it would be bad for them if you did.

So, we have judges to figure it out. Just like in NJ. It's really too bad that the people that are most interested in limiting the access to the vote are also the people in charge of appointing judges to the Supreme Court.

So, to answer your question accurately: within the context of your question, both the acceptance of literally every vote cast, and the denial of literally every vote cast, is a valid outcome.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26951464 - 09/23/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I can't comment on that because I don;t know what "thousands of votes bundled together" and "signatures don't match" means.

First one, because from what I've read, it was only "hundreds of votes bundled together". What does this mean? Were they all rubberbanded together? When they arrived at the post office? when they arrived at the counting location? When they arrived at the judge's bench? NJ says you can send ballots on behalf of someone else. Apparently, near 1000 were thrown out because that "sent by ___ on behalf of" was left blank. Does that make those votes invalid? Maybe. Maybe not.

Signatures are another fun thing. See, I have a signature that I use, and It's consistently somewhat different. The signature I sent on my recent offer letter looks very different tot he signature on my driver's license, because I signed the document in PDF and used their "normal" signature script. Even if I signed by hand, though, I'm willing to bet literally everything that I own you could find a difference in the signature with which I signed the offer letter, versus the signature that I have on my DL, if you have access to a very high end 1000+ DPI scanner. Some of the pixels would be different. That's a fact of life. It it literally impossible to replicate a signature, because there will be minute differences due to your heartbeat and pulse causing involuntary motions as per Newton's Third Law. Not to mention every other aspect of real life.



I don't think signatures have to be exact on a 1000+ DPI scanner.  But you do highlight some real problems.

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In a perfect world, you would have a ballot linked to your identity, in some way, such as SSN, DOB, and address, kind of like taxes. You would have to cast a clear binary (or abstain) vote, such as the way polls work on the Shroomery. And you would do this from the comfort of your own home.



Excellent idea!  But the establishment doesn't want a perfect system.  They prefer the current system.  That's too bad.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26951519 - 09/23/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Timestamped Kryptos, that would be a hell of prediction.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26951538 - 09/23/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

...Which one?


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26951546 - 09/23/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Electors not being sent/ popular/legislative vote, I think it was weeks ago, but these points brought it up again.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26951609 - 09/23/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, that, yeah. I think Donald Trump will (technically) win, but not by popular vote, and likely not through anything we would currently consider legitimate. I expect Trump to win entirely by court order and legislative fuckery, mixed with a bit of violent crackdown.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26951649 - 09/23/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If I am brutally honest, the political voyeurism in me wants to see the above materialize. Been to many places overseas where it was clearly dicey (definitely more dicey caue we are there), after some political upheaval. Remember the first question that came to my mind "could this ever happen in the USA? It may be a very valuable lesson or the end.


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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26951657 - 09/23/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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could this ever happen in the USA




Stupid question. Yes it could. We aren't special.

"Will it happen" is a different question, and it depends on how many people realize that "could it happen?" is a stupid question.


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