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meltdowner said: What platform is needed?
Wall built, Check. Taxes lowered, check. China trade equalized, check. No new wars, no existing wars. check. Economy kicking ass, check. USA #1, check. Guns being sold like candy corn, check Obummercare repealed, check.
I suppose if we could add anothee wall along the canadian border that would be great. Theyre basically china anyway.
Maybe lower taxes some more and start construction of SPACE FORCE HUMVEES. ON THE MOON!
Thats weird, I still have my obamacare. The market is extremely unstable right now. Barely any wall has been built, mostly just replaced existing wall. Guns are always selling well especially when everyone is scared shitless of the future. The trade deficit is horrendous. No one I know had any substantial tax decreases...which america do you live in?
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But we need to keep supporting the free market, that way, we can all reap the huge benefit that is Wall Street.
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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Asante]
#26940489 - 09/17/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: no existing wars.
Except for, you know, the War on Terror in Afghanistan and the US interventionism in Syria, both of which are still going on today and have had the highest death toll of any armed conflict on the planet consistently for the last five years.
Do you seriously believe that your orange daddy magically made all that nasty war go away, or are you just ignorant?
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The entire list is basically a lie. Not just that point. So the obvious answer is that it’s willful ignorance, I.e. he believes in magic.
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meltdowner said: no existing wars.
Except for, you know, the War on Terror in Afghanistan and the US interventionism in Syria, both of which are still going on today and have had the highest death toll of any armed conflict on the planet consistently for the last five years.
I don't know. Take a read of this post regarding Afghanistan.
And we haven't had the highest death toll in the last 5 years - it's gone WAY down since Bush and Obama.
And here's some new news on Afghanistan.
Regarding Syria, koods gave me a low rating because I gave Trump some credit for ending the war there while he felt we should have kept fighting for the Kurds against the Syrian Government.
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IDK, maybe these reports are coming from the expected neo-liberal war profiteers, but this is what I keep reading. Russia has strong interests in Syria, and it's quite to their advantage if we're out of the way.
Russia is competing with Turkey for a certain level of control in Syria. Turkey is an interesting case as they seem to be in the middle of a hornet's nest everywhere they go. Most of the Middle East, including Israel, is trying to prevent Turkey from gaining influence in the region. This is, in part, what motivated Israel and UAR to start getting friendly. In the Mediterranean, France just announced they will aid Greece and Cyprus militarily against Turkey.
I guess my point is that while American military isolationism sounds attractive after these endless wars, it will inevitably lead to strategic gains for Russia and China. It's probably a moot point because Biden is going to win the election and we will be back in the military adventurism business.
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Nonagon Infinity
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I don't know. Take a read of this post regarding Afghanistan.
Meltdowner's claim was that there are currently no wars under the Trump administration. Let's say that he did successfully withdraw 4,000 troops from Afghanistan. There are more than 4,000 troops there (at any given point in 2019, there were an average of about 12,000 US troops there), so withdrawing 4,000 of them shouldn't be considered ending the war.
Also, I want to be clear that I'm not critical of only the Trump administration in this regard. The Bush administration started the war on Terror, the Obama administration escalated the conflict and launched a military intervention in Syria, and our current administration hasn't withdrawn our military presence either. This clearly isn't about democrat or republican. Clearly, military interventionism and war are high priorities for both parties.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: And we haven't had the highest death toll in the last 5 years - it's gone WAY down since Bush and Obama.
If you read my last comment carefully, you'll see that I didn't say that the death toll has gone up or that it has remained the same. My claim was that Afghanistan and Syria have consistently suffered the most deaths by armed conflict during the last five years. For example, there were an estimated 49,742 deaths by armed conflict in Syria in 2016. That was the most death by armed conflict that occurred anywhere on the planet that year. In 2017, this number dropped down to about 39,000. Even though the number of deaths decreased, this was still the country with the most death by armed conflict anywhere on the planet. I hope that makes it perfectly clear what my point was, but just to reiterate: the US military has consistently been responsible for more death by armed conflict than any other organization on the planet for the last five years.
FYI, in 2018 and 2019, the country with the most deaths by armed conflict was Afghanistan. In 2018, there were an estimated 35,941 deaths, and in 2019, there were an estimated 41,735 deaths, so it's going back up again.
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Brian Jones said: Russia has strong interests in Syria, and it's quite to their advantage if we're out of the way.
Their interests in Syria are probably similar to their interests in Crimea - to prevent the US from surrounding their country while breaking earlier “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward” following the German reunification deal.
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Nonagon Infinity said: Meltdowner's claim was that there are currently no wars under the Trump administration.
You're right, that was incorrect.
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Nonagon Infinity said: Clearly, military interventionism and war are high priorities for both parties.
No doubt. Trump is fighting both sides on this, as my earlier post pointed out.
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Nonagon Infinity said: I hope that makes it perfectly clear what my point was, but just to reiterate: the US military has consistently been responsible for more death by armed conflict than any other organization on the planet for the last five years.
Got it. Thanks for the clarification, and I agree.
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Brian Jones said: Russia has strong interests in Syria, and it's quite to their advantage if we're out of the way.
Their interests in Syria are probably similar to their interests in Crimea - to prevent the US from surrounding their country while breaking earlier “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward” following the German reunification deal.
They're interested in self-protection. They're also interested in empire. It's the same situation as with all those Eastern European satellites.
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There is only one reason that deaths in Iraq have "gone down".
Trump signed an executive order that stopped counting deaths due to drone strikes.
Just like how Covid cases "magically disappear" when you stop testing for Covid, body counts "go down" when you stop counting.
Interestingly, independent counts show an increase of over 200% in civilian casualties as soon as Trump took office.
Nowadays, the pentagon doesn't even disclose when drone strikes happen "outside combat zones".
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Of course they're interested in self preservation, but what's your evidence that they're interested in empire?
Russia hasn't taken over a single country since WWII, and they even allowed a US backed coup in Ukraine to occur (though they accepted Crimea's vote to return to Russia - as Crimea was Russian from 1783-1954 when Brezhnev gave it to Ukraine against the will of the Crimean people).
Russia wants to keep its alliances with nearby countries, and Syria is a lot closer geographically to Russia than the US.
Most of the Syrian people support Assad, but we don't seem to care about the will of the majority, we care about the will of the minority who support the US.
Meanwhile...

Syria has Russia's only base on the Mediterranean.
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Putin is an old school Soviet KGB agent. I believe that he would happily recreate the soviet empire if he could.
He is also smart enough to hide that fact very well.
Honestly, I'd say that it's safe to assume anyone that is in power seeks to expand their power, which almost always means they would not be opposed to leading an empire.
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Brian Jones said: IDK, maybe these reports are coming from the expected neo-liberal war profiteers, but this is what I keep reading. Russia has strong interests in Syria, and it's quite to their advantage if we're out of the way.
Russia is competing with Turkey for a certain level of control in Syria. Turkey is an interesting case as they seem to be in the middle of a hornet's nest everywhere they go. Most of the Middle East, including Israel, is trying to prevent Turkey from gaining influence in the region. This is, in part, what motivated Israel and UAR to start getting friendly. In the Mediterranean, France just announced they will aid Greece and Cyprus militarily against Turkey.
I guess my point is that while American military isolationism sounds attractive after these endless wars, it will inevitably lead to strategic gains for Russia and China. It's probably a moot point because Biden is going to win the election and we will be back in the military adventurism business.
The US war business never stopped, so why would you expect a different outcome under Biden. If it appears that Trump is behind some of the US pulling back in certain areas, I'm sure it's pure coincidence by aligning with US military strategy.
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Re: GOP platform 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
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I'm sure most leaders would be happy to achieve world domination.
What I'm saying is the US is actively doing something about it, while Russia isn't. They're just trying to maintain what little the US hasn't taken yet.
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How many countries has the U.S. taken over since WWII? (Grenada) That's not how it's done anymore. Neo-Imperialism and proxy wars. I'll grant you that we are a far worse exploiter.
Putin's popularity, IMO, is primarily based on what my Russian History professor called their "need for a strong boss". They might have feared Stalin but they were proud of the world stature he brought them. I'm not saying Putin is like Stalin, but in the line of succession he is the most similar to him on the strong boss scale.
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Brian Jones said: How many countries has the U.S. taken over since WWII? (Grenada) That's not how it's done anymore. Neo-Imperialism and proxy wars. I'll grant you that we are a far worse exploiter.
Agreed. The US militarily has invaded a LOT more countries to spread its influence than Russia has, which mainly interfered when the US was trying to spread its imperialism. Here are some of the countries we've invaded (not even counting any countries in the Western hemisphere):
North Korea Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria
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Brian Jones said: Putin's popularity, IMO, is primarily based on what my Russian History professor called their "need for a strong boss". They might have feared Stalin but they were proud of the world stature he brought them. I'm not saying Putin is like Stalin, but in the line of succession he is the most similar to him on the strong boss scale.
Agreed. The majority of Russians (certainly not all) like Putin.
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