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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#26895233 - 08/23/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’d go to the Amazon, and take ayahuasca if it came up and I trusted whoever it was but I wouldn’t go strictly to take it. Honestly I’d rather take shrooms and walk around all the Mayan temples. I’d like to spend a night tripping in the pyramids too but that’s all stuff that will likely never happen..
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: Amanita86]
#26895278 - 08/23/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've had Aya dozens of times over the years. It cost me a few dollars per trip. At my house, safe and secure.
I would never, ever spend money on one of those tourist traps. Still-- best wishes to those that benefit from spending thousands of dollars on them--
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: coAsTal] 1
#26895297 - 08/23/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah. I get how being in the jungle would be cool but I’d rather be alone and away from the bugs and humidity etc. If I was already there I’d go for it but I’m not making a special trip. I got my bed, my bathroom, the kitchen and God forbid an ambulance just a phone call away. I couldn’t get relaxed around a bunch of rando’s..
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: Amanita86]
#26895313 - 08/23/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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a trip is highly personal, i dont want to talk to anyone about it
i just want someone to play the right rhythms for synesthesia, and blow potent nicotine in my face at the right moments for a breakthru
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: Amanita86]
#26895369 - 08/23/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: I've had Aya dozens of times over the years.
Kind of a broad question here, but what's it like? How does it compare overall to the classic psychedelics such as LSD or mushrooms?
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Amanita86 said: I couldn’t get relaxed around a bunch of rando’s..
Yeah no doubt
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: morrowasted]
#26895601 - 08/23/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I keep starting that episode and getting bored 5 minutes in. I enjoyed the ones on essential oils and fasting though
I started reading this thread and didnt make it past your comment, a fasting episode piqued my interest, I went and got my moms netflix information, I had to enable Digital Restrictions Management on firefox even though I have strong feelings about DRM
im only 10 seconds into the episode and the chick who made a comment does what I do, and I thought I made it up, she said she just takes it one day at a time, thats what I do on long fasts, I got the idea from some Alcoholics Anonymous meetings I attended in my youth, I tell my self I dont have to fast for X amount of days, just for today and it dosnt seem so bad
this geoffry woo guy is talking about being sharper when fasting, and I dont notice that, but maybe because I still drink black coffee and take kratom on a fast so that stuff breaks that part of a fast
and now he is also talking about eating yolks raw and cooking the whites, I already knew the yolk is healthy raw (more nutrition) and the white is healthy cooked (you get more of the protein) but he dosnt mention why he does it
this thomas guy said he got hungrier on eating keto with like kale and shit, on my egg diet the last two eating days I never felt so full off so little calories, thrusday I only ate 1500, saturday I only ate 1200, im curios on wednesday when I eat a keto crust pizza if it will fill me up or not
he also mentioned the twitter ceo fasting habits, I remember when he made that post, all the normies said he had a eating disorder lol
Ive seen some of this Dr. Alan Goldhammer's youtube videos and Im not really a fan of him, or fasting clinics in general
this women whos husband died, as soon as she said Tanglewood I cringed, Loren Lockman fasts people on fresh water and thinks electrolytes are bad for you, Im typing this before watching further, I bet he died from his electrolytes getting flushed -- did refeeding syndrome cause his crazies that made him fall down the stairs, if so I was partially correct
Dr Valtor Longer, Im not a fan of his fasting mimicking diet, I think there is no fasting alternative to fasting, just people trying to take the easiest way out
and now goldhammer again saying meat is the devil, whats with all these fasting clinics being vegan, he could have broke that ladies fast on bone broth instead of fruit juice
overall I wasnt too impressed, it focused too much on tanglewood and true north, demonizing one and praising the other, I wonder who funded this episode lol, I didnt really learn anything I havnt heard before, I would have liked to see more just normal peoples experiences the only normal guy they showed was that cancer survivor who had the dog
plus it focused on fresh water fasting, I think thats stupid and you should be taking electrolytes(sodium/potassium),it didnt even mention electrolytes, it seems to prevent refeeding syndrome, lots of people have done stupid long fasts on the two salts and broke the fast with whatever and dont have a problem, that one guy at tangle wood did like a 30 day fresh water fast and he got the crazies and bashed his head in, when I did a 42 day fast I broke it with broth then a few hours later a fruit then a few hours later some chicken and was fine till the next day when I tried to eat a pizza and almost gave myself Auto Brewery Syndrome LOL
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: Niffla] 1
#26895618 - 08/23/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: I've had Aya dozens of times over the years.
Kind of a broad question here, but what's it like? How does it compare overall to the classic psychedelics such as LSD or mushrooms?
I've never been graced with the presence of LSD, so I'm afraid I can't speak to that one  I would say that it feels similar to mushrooms with MAOI's-- certainly more-so than mescaline-- It's usually a very dreamy, emotional experience for me. Dose is everything though. Lots of Caapi (MAOI's) will feel different than a little-- regardless of how much or little DMT-containing admix plant(s) you use.
I've steam-rolled myself with way too much of both and felt like I was sucked into a black-hole dimension where time progression ceased to exist and I was literally locked into that current realization I had for eternity-- like an observing mind stuck in amber, unable to get anywhere. It lasted hours-- there was no consolation possible.
But I've also been so emotionally awestruck with beauty and love that I wept with joy- music becoming an infinitely soft, velvety cocoon that was a physical sea of peace.
I'm not one to see the fantastical animals or figures or architecture that many people claim, but I know that's just my experiences talking.
All-in-all, Aya is a powerful introspective medicine-- I genuinely recommend it to any fellow traveler that feels called to it.
You can also kinda shortcut to it-- Syrian Rue seeds have most (but not all) of the alks that Caapi root does, and is dirt cheap in bulk-- it's an excellent MAOI to use in amplifying any triptamine. Just use that an hour before vaping (or drinking/eating/boofing) DMT and you'll get a decent idea of the general experience.
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: pirate-blues]
#26895673 - 08/23/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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off topic: i really liked that song you have in your sig. 
edit: well, both of them... was already familiar with crumb though.
on topic: i think i'm too american for ayahuasca. if i want to puke and shit my pants, i'll go to taco bell. i smoke my dmt.
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: wrestler_az]
#26895713 - 08/23/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That doesn't happen if you filter out the tannins properly.
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: coAsTal]
#26895715 - 08/23/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you’re not shitting and puking how do you know it’s even working?
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: Amanita86]
#26895732 - 08/23/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: coAsTal]
#26895742 - 08/23/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26895774 - 08/23/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I liked the essential oils and fasting episodes. The tantric sex episode was just skeevy.
How did the one woman who saw the other woman go into seizures not have a horrible trip after that? She describes seeing the woman in distress but she doesn't really say how that affected the rest of her experience, that I recall.
And the woman who did have seizures was mostly just annoyed that she wasted her money plus now had additional hospital debt, but didn'tget much of a trip out of it. I mean I guess now she knows she's prone to seizures?
I wouldn't want to trip around a bunch of strangers for sure. It was weird enough when I first did mushrooms with my then boyfriend of several years. Not something I want to do around people I don't trust 110%.
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: the strander]
#26896149 - 08/23/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Give me a $1000 and I will hook you up with a guy. He'll take you out to a beautiful place in the Sierra's on a waterfall near the PCT. He'll give you some Aya, put on some good tunes, and get the demons out!
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: theRealrollforever]
#26896722 - 08/24/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: I’d only want the full experience if I was a native jungle man. Otherwise, that experience doesn’t really belong in my repertoire
Yep, the city is my jungle and I know about 190 proof alcohol extraction of the bark and seeds, natives in a jungle do not (maybe they do, IDRK). I tried a traditional brew twice and got really sick both times. Then I did a crude extract with grain alcohol and was completely satisfied, then I extracted bark and got the dmt crystals for vaping.
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26896741 - 08/24/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gopher, he died from dead trauma following refeeding syndrome
Fasting is perfectly fine. I dont think those 28 day fasts are a good idea but 2 or 3 days every once in a while is probably no big deal
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26896813 - 08/24/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had book a retreat to Blue Morpho before the pandemy and had to cancel (flight were canceled and Peru lock down).
I have made lot of research and this place seems very good and beautiful (worth the price considering the place comparing to others, you even prepare the aya you will take days later and the owner M. Hamilton seems a good guy who know things about healing and trauma,and he refund me my retreat cost due to pandemy). Lots of good testimony about this place I have see from guys with deep trauma. And the info I had receive after booking were excellent and full. I would book again there if I had to go. But, not gone there myself so my opinion worth nothing.
These trip are expensive, especially iternational flight + inner country flight and hotel to add. But not more than other things I have see. Also they have a team to pay, they do fumigation for mosquito, they are ready to drive to medics in case of emergy in the jungle, they have anti poison, etc. And some use the money to make place better.
I would also be alert about black magic and abuse. This is not uncommon and I would take the time to choose well my place. There are places where the ayahuasquero are not always the same and change and it can be another when you go there that you don't know anything about him/her. There is also places with rivalry between shaman, they are not all good people. There is also risk of malaria, yellow fever, etc. And vaccination or medication is not better for the body if you care about that (depending your opinion). Malaria medication is also known to be able to interfere with aya I have read and lot of people don't take it.
There are sites dedicated to review these place, there is also a subreddit dedicated to aya where you can read and discuss about, etc.
Soltara in Costa Rica is also a well know place I have read a lot about and see testimonials, but very expensive. They are lots of well know cheaper places.
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: wrestler_az]
#26897381 - 08/24/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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wrestler_az said: off topic: i really liked that song you have in your sig. 
edit: well, both of them... was already familiar with crumb though.
on topic: i think i'm too american for ayahuasca. if i want to puke and shit my pants, i'll go to taco bell. i smoke my dmt.
Yeah I don't really get the people who are on board with feeling sick while tripping face when there are better methods of ingestion now.
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: mndfreeze]
#26897473 - 08/24/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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cause none of you ever took it
its no more nauseating than any other psychedelic in high doses
its just when they make those multi kilo mixtures and boil it down for a whole village you get da tanins
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Re: UN-WELL (Ayahuasca episode) - Ever been on one of those retreats?? [Re: cannabinated]
#26897478 - 08/24/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: da tanins
My new band name!
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