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First time DMT extraction, Questions!?
    #26897085 - 08/24/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hello!

I'm about to start my first DMT extraction, I'm so exited about it =D
I have some questions...

1.Which tek would you suggest?
(Im thinking about GordoTek or an STB one, maybe both for the experience and to be sage if one fails)

2.Im worried about Naptha near a electric stove, is it possible for naptha to ignite without spark  and just from fumes getting in touch with the hot pan?

3.Is baking soda what I really need for the procedure or caustic soda? Is Sodium hydroxide the same as Sodium bicarbonate??

4.Are all kind of vinegar the same? Or should I only go for a white with 5%?

5.Is it needed to have a PH meter?

Thanks


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    #26897112 - 08/24/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

1.  Try both.  Speaking from personal experience follow STB step by step you'll be fine.

2.  I don't know.  But I don't know why you'd have your naphta near a stove anyway? 

3.  No, you'll need the hydroxide.

Work near an open window and you'll be fine. Godspeed.


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: seldom seen]
    #26897123 - 08/24/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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1.  Try both.  Speaking from personal experience follow STB step by step you'll be fine.

2.  I don't know.  But I don't know why you'd have your naphta near a stove anyway? 

3.  No, you'll need the hydroxide.

Work near an open window and you'll be fine. Godspeed.




2. to do a hotbath?


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26897146 - 08/24/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26897150 - 08/24/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I've only worked in jars, so when I did the hot water bath everything was sealed.

You'll find greater minds with more experience will say the bath is not necessary.  But from what I experienced it does seem to help.


If you do a straight STB no ph meter necessary.  As far as vinegar, stick to the white.  I only had that on hand to clean up and neutralize the lye if necessary.


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26897219 - 08/24/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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cstribal said:
Hello!

I'm about to start my first DMT extraction, I'm so exited about it =D
I have some questions...

1.Which tek would you suggest?
(Im thinking about GordoTek or an STB one, maybe both for the experience and to be sage if one fails)


I would suggest you spent some more time learning about the general principles of extracting, as well as the safe handling of dangerous chemicals, before proceeding any further.

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2.Im worried about Naptha near a electric stove, is it possible for naptha to ignite without spark  and just from fumes getting in touch with the hot pan?


Look up "naphtha autoignition temperature". How hot will your pan get? Now compare the two temperatures.

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3.Is baking soda what I really need for the procedure or caustic soda?


Where, in any of these 'teks' did you read about baking soda?
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Is Sodium hydroxide the same as Sodium bicarbonate??



You are literally using a networked information device. This is exactly the kind of thing you can look up for yourself, using the internet.

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4.Are all kind of vinegar the same? Or should I only go for a white with 5%?


If different kinds of vinegar were the same, they wouldn't be different kinds of vinegar. Do you know why vinegar is used and what the 5% that you mentioned is referring to?

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5.Is it needed to have a PH meter?



For a simple, introductory DMT extraction, not really. If you want to do some more nuanced things, perhaps extracting other alkaloids from different plants, then a pH meter would definitely come in handy.
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Thanks



Perhaps you might think I've been a bit harsh; really, I encourage you to think and research for yourself (and make sure you use eye protection goggles when handling sodium hydroxide, a.k.a. caustic soda/lye).


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: seldom seen]
    #26898048 - 08/25/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I've only worked in jars, so when I did the hot water bath everything was sealed.




Woah. Never heat up a sealed jar with naphtha! :eek:
Heat produces pressure, and naphtha under pressure is highly explosible.

You can put the lid on losely, yes. Air /fumes must be able to get out.

And no, you don't need any heat at all with STB. Heat speeds up the process, though. Too much heat lets you extract too much of the unwanted yellow impurities.

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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26898231 - 08/25/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I've only worked in jars, so when I did the hot water bath everything was sealed.




Woah. Never heat up a sealed jar with naphtha! :eek:
Heat produces pressure, and naphtha under pressure is highly explosible.

You can put the lid on losely, yes. Air /fumes must be able to get out.

And no, you don't need any heat at all with STB. Heat speeds up the process, though. Too much heat lets you extract too much of the unwanted yellow impurities.

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No heating elements involved:smile:
I just put them in some lukewarm water in the sink...and I only did that because I was running the a/c and it gets a bit chilly in the room they were in.  That being said, pardon any implications on my end that that was ok...I'm no chemist and have only dabbled with extractions.  I read your rue extraction like 45 times but have yet to try it.


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: seldom seen]
    #26898421 - 08/25/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Slow cookers are a good alternative no-spark water bath. I preheat my naphtha to 140 F in jars, lid tight, no problems.


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26900282 - 08/26/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Natureboy STB, 1st and only one I ever used.
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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26901649 - 08/27/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Okay, I got some more questions

So I'm doing the LexTek, after simmering my bark 3 times for 1 hour and gathering only the liquid from it, i then tossed the root bark that was left behind...should I have kept the bark in the acid solution for greater yield? Or is all of the dmt in the acid solution already?


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26901720 - 08/27/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

IDK that tek. I have only used the STB natureboy tek.


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26901754 - 08/27/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I got my dish off the freezer after 3 hours and whooala... snowflakes averywhere...I poored the naptha in a container and then turned the dish upside down onto a paper towel...after a while many of the crystals have dissolved and i probably lost em onto the paper towel....please tell me how should I evap so that I wont loose crystals like this again!

Yes my room temperature is warm enough so i guess thats why they melted.... :frown: I guess i have lost my half yield cause they were too many when i took em out.... HELP


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26901765 - 08/27/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm, maybe let it sit in the fridge from the freezer for an hour or so before setting it out to room temp (actually this might make it liquefy again, I don't know, I never had that problem), and/or use a fan blowing almost directly on it but not enough to disturb any dry crystals? Lean it on its side on another dish instead of putting it directly upside down on a paper towel and this will catch any goop that forms from room temp maybe? That's another reason I do small batches (100 grams of mhrb at a time) and use 1/2 pint jars (for the freezer part of just the naptha infused with the DMT), they're very convenient.


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26901846 - 08/27/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26901854 - 08/27/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck yes! Keep on drying it until no trace of a naptha smell, I like to cover it with a cheesecloth and put a fan on it for a a few hours or more. Make sure to use rubber bands so the cloth doesn't touch the substance.


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26901856 - 08/27/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yea but i have lost the most of them as you can see...


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26901865 - 08/27/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well, try some of the things I posted maybe?:shrug: OH, the 1st pick is the after one, lol. got it. Yeah try what I posted, I'm sure more people will suggest more. If it doesn't leak out onto another surface or a paper towel, it's not lost, just gooey. Be patient and let it dry for a few hours at least 4 or more with a fan maybe.


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26901879 - 08/27/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A lot of people make that mistake their first time, me included. Quickly pour off the cold naphtha and then put the dish back into the freezer upside down for 20 minutes. This lets most of the residual naphtha drip away or evaporate before you bring the dish to room temp. Then when you take it out of the freezer, prop it upside down in front of a fan. This will keep any more drips away from your crystals and speed up the drying time before any crystals redissolve.

Your dmt hasn't disappeared, some of the crystals just redissolved and then re-precipitated on the glass as a thin film instead of crystals. If you press hard with your razor blade you should see transparent areas actually have some dmt to gather.


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26901892 - 08/27/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What happens if the crystals dissolve and then just let it dry? Arent they gonna form again when it dries out?


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: Icon]
    #26901900 - 08/27/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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A lot of people make that mistake their first time, me included. Quickly pour off the cold naphtha and then put the dish back into the freezer upside down for 20 minutes. This lets most of the residual naphtha drip away or evaporate before you bring the dish to room temp. Then when you take it out of the freezer, prop it upside down in front of a fan. This will keep any more drips away from your crystals and speed up the drying time before any crystals redissolve.

Your dmt hasn't disappeared, some of the crystals just redissolved and then re-precipitated on the glass as a thin film instead of crystals. If you press hard with your razor blade you should see transparent areas actually have some dmt to gather.


well...i had the dish upside down onto a paper towel....so i guess the crystals which dissolved got into the naptha which then dripped on the paper towel...right? So I lost a bunch of them


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26901904 - 08/27/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You put it on a paper towel in room temperature right away, that was the mistake. You need to have it upside down in the freezer first to get rid of those drips. But yea you probably lost some dmt in the paper towel. It's not as bad as you think tho, if you lose a little oh well you can extract infinite more.


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    #26901910 - 08/27/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yep!


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    #26901923 - 08/27/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

fuck, I cant wait for it to dry!

btw...anyone knows a way to dose without a having a scale?


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    #26901965 - 08/27/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

LOL, good luck with that! Some will say hit it until you can't see reality anymore. I say use a scale every single time.:shrug: I like to infuse mine onto an herbal smoking blend or just plain damiana. I use a 1 gram to 3 gram ratio (1 gram dmt to 3 grams damiana) then weigh your dose of DMT according to total weight of infused material. So easy, even a stoner can do it!:laugh:


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Re: First time DMT extraction, Questions!? [Re: cstribal]
    #26903572 - 08/28/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

> 1.Which tek would you suggest?

I extracted DMT this week for the first time with Cyb's Hybrid Salt Tek and I'm very happy with the result.

> 2.Im worried about Naptha near a electric stove, is it possible for naptha to ignite without spark  and just from fumes getting in touch with the hot pan?

That is not a realistic threat. Naphta is toxic and should be used in a room with fresh air exchange.

> 3.Is baking soda what I really need for the procedure or caustic soda? Is Sodium hydroxide the same as Sodium bicarbonate??

How about Google and some introductory Khan Academy videos on chemistry? As the names suggest those are different molecules. In Cyb's Tek you need to use caustic soda / lye (NaOH).

> 4.Are all kind of vinegar the same? Or should I only go for a white with 5%?

You need to use white vinegar. White vinegar is diluted with water - the concentration is written on the bottle. Cyb's Tek assumes a 5% concentration. I was using vinegar with 25% and adjusted the amounts accordingly.

> 5.Is it needed to have a PH meter?

I didn't need one.

> What happens if the crystals dissolve and then just let it dry? Arent they gonna form again when it dries out?

I'm pretty sure that's how it works. A lot of purification / extraction Teks are based on evaporating a solvent which leaves the substance of interest behind.

> well...i had the dish upside down onto a paper towel....so i guess the crystals which dissolved got into the naptha which then dripped on the paper towel...right

That's why it is a good idea to first suck off (f.x. with a syringe) as much of the naphta as possible right after taking the dishes from the freezer. Also reuse the Naphta then some of the DMT will be rescued at the next extraction.

> btw...anyone knows a way to dose without a having a scale?

If you want to use a scale to reliably weigh doses of less than 50mg you have to spend a significant amount of money (>> €100). I just eyeball the amount. Start with less. Just because a scale displays milligram values doesn't mean those reflect the actual weight.


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    #26903952 - 08/28/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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This scale can weigh tens of milligrams for $15.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-Scales-AWS-100-CAL-Digital/dp/B01DPHXYFM




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    #26903963 - 08/28/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Gemini has a good history of use and being fairly accurate down to 10mg. I only use it for stuff in the 20mg range, give or take. All those 1-9mg things I would use volumetric dosing, but I don't really play with those.


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    #26904760 - 08/28/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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This scale can weigh tens of milligrams for $15.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-Scales-AWS-100-CAL-Digital/dp/B01DPHXYFM




I doubt it.



What do you mean? I have the 200g version of that scale and it weighs tens of milligrams. That's just one brand, there's dozens of scales that can do .01g for less than $40. I think you're confusing with .001g scales. There's no need for that level of accuracy. But if you wanted to, the Gemini-20 is still less than $40.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-GEMINI-20-Portable-MilliGram/dp/B0012TDNAM


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    #26905401 - 08/29/20 03:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Guys, may I please have your attention...

I did a second pull for over an hour of shaking on a hot bath...naptha got yellow this time...I froze it and I only got like 1-2 small crystals.. why is that. is it possible that i got all of it in the first try?

should I have acidified the solution before...i guess not.... should I add more base to it maybe?


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