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Should meth be legal?
    #26896262 - 08/24/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Why or why not?
Well?
You may choose only one


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Shiithead] * 11
    #26896263 - 08/24/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Already is.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: PatrickKn] * 12
    #26896302 - 08/24/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

All drugs should be legal.

Prohibition has never worked and it never will.

The drug war is the biggest failure ever.

The DEA should be illegal and IMO they deserve the death penalty for choosing a career that destroys lives and families.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26896451 - 08/24/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I forget where I read or heard that the war on drugs is actually just a war on people, as you can't "make war" on a plant/compound.  I agree with this so: all drugs should be legal.  Put in your own body what you will.  Don't harm anyone or anything.

Meth is a sketchy one... lol


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Shiithead] * 2
    #26896453 - 08/24/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Dont want the government playing daddy with people its lame as fuck. If the police have to exist they should exist to keep the peace and that's it. Shouldnt be acting like our parents with guns, tryna put people in 10 year time-outs.

Someone wants to smoke meth who gives a fuck. If they do some methhead shit like break into a house, then arrest them. But arresting them just for having meth is setting the precedent that we arrest people who partake in things that we assume may cause them to act a certain way that might disrupt the peace. It's super dystopian imo and anyone who thinks drug users should be put in a cage is a weirdo and has serious childhood trauma.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #26896527 - 08/24/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sure, worked great for Germany.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: PumpJackTeX] * 2
    #26896530 - 08/24/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If we stopped minor drug arrests, released prisoners charged with them, and allocated that money to real drug education for kids (which would take some work to develop, as the current system is useless), then I think we could get a lot more liberal with all of our drug laws. I'd also be open to some sort of permitting system, where you have to take an informational class on a certain drug, and are given contact information for counseling and addiction resources, to get a permit to buy that drug freely.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: feevers]
    #26896539 - 08/24/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Instead of spending the money on meth could we fix the climate first?


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: PumpJackTeX] * 3
    #26896550 - 08/24/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Get everyone on meth and we could fix that shit in a week


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: feevers] * 5
    #26896562 - 08/24/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Growing up with two meth addicted parents, I can tell you our first hand, that meth does not help you accomplished any significant life goals. It will only destroy your life and eat your soul.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Shiithead] * 3
    #26896565 - 08/24/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

ALL rec drugs should be legal and made available from walgreens and all pharmacies. Plus they should all be very pure and good with no additives, only the best purest cleanest chemical compounds they can make. Also be 21yo to buy them, and have monthly limits.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26896568 - 08/24/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Lophosaurus said:
All drugs should be legal.

Prohibition has never worked and it never will.

The drug war is the biggest failure ever.

The DEA should be illegal and IMO they deserve the death penalty for choosing a career that destroys lives and families.



I posted be fore I read any responses, this is 100% correct.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26896601 - 08/24/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Put everyone in jail


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #26896682 - 08/24/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Heee's baaack!:grin: I know who you are!


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Shiithead]
    #26896832 - 08/24/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Errrrr.... what?!?


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26896878 - 08/24/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26896931 - 08/24/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

tyrannicalrex said:
Quote:

Lophosaurus said:
All drugs should be legal.

Prohibition has never worked and it never will.

The drug war is the biggest failure ever.

The DEA should be illegal and IMO they deserve the death penalty for choosing a career that destroys lives and families.



I posted be fore I read any responses, this is 100% correct.




It is true, but there is one key factor left out.

The drug war is a massive revenue generator for the government.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26896961 - 08/24/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I wish desoxyn was over the counter, I have A.D.D but my psychiatrist said I only have about half the symptoms and its only "A.D.D like" and wont prescribe me drugs for it

mainly I want it for me haveing trouble reading books and even long posts on forums, I wonder if it would help

though I can read books if I watch lots of videos on the same content first, its just if its new to me I have trouble


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: InfiniteDreams] * 2
    #26897268 - 08/24/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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The drug war is a massive revenue generator for the government.



Sure they seize cash and assets sometimes, but I would think the extra expenditures on law enforcement, courts, prisons etc would be a lot more than that. It's more like the drug war is a major revenue generator for certain private interests.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: gopher]
    #26897389 - 08/24/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I wish desoxyn was over the counter, I have A.D.D but my psychiatrist said I only have about half the symptoms and its only "A.D.D like" and wont prescribe me drugs for it

mainly I want it for me haveing trouble reading books and even long posts on forums, I wonder if it would help

though I can read books if I watch lots of videos on the same content first, its just if its new to me I have trouble




:lol: it must be weird as fuck for people that pretty much know they have adhd to go to a doctor and try to convince them that they’re not trying to get high


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: psi] * 1
    #26897426 - 08/24/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

psi said:
Quote:

InfiniteDreams said:
The drug war is a massive revenue generator for the government.



Sure they seize cash and assets sometimes, but I would think the extra expenditures on law enforcement, courts, prisons etc would be a lot more than that. It's more like the drug war is a major revenue generator for certain private interests.




All law enforcement expenditures are paid for through taxes, they don't fund themselves.  The court system charges for its use.  Prisons are for profit enterprises.

Also the drug war goes beyond targeting citizens.  CIA was busy importing drugs.  Make money on both ends...

But yes, the profit is not evenly spread.  Definitely controlled by special interests.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26897442 - 08/24/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah the drug war does not generate revenue for the government like taxation does, it's something the government spends tax revenue on.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26897457 - 08/24/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeetusdeetus said:
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gopher said:
I wish desoxyn was over the counter, I have A.D.D but my psychiatrist said I only have about half the symptoms and its only "A.D.D like" and wont prescribe me drugs for it

mainly I want it for me haveing trouble reading books and even long posts on forums, I wonder if it would help

though I can read books if I watch lots of videos on the same content first, its just if its new to me I have trouble




:lol: it must be weird as fuck for people that pretty much know they have adhd to go to a doctor and try to convince them that they’re not trying to get high




The only reason she even gave me the symptom test is cause I told her I think im slightly austistic and she sent me to a specialist and in the specialists notes she said I have attention problems but am pretty normal

I asked for adhd drugs before then once and she told me that they dont really diagnose adults, I guess only children should get speed


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: gopher]
    #26897587 - 08/24/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Man that’s backwards af. Adults are the only ones who should be getting scripts for stimulants. Kids have no idea what they’re getting themselves into when they start taking those meds.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26897592 - 08/24/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That's why kids have parents who are responsible for them until they turn 18, to make those decisions for them that the kids are incapable of making themselves.

There has been a lot of research on children and ADD/ADHD and the various stims actually work better when you are young than older.  The fallout over a lifetime is greatly increased when treated later in life instead of in those early stages.

That said, it definitely gets misdiagnosed and overly prescribed.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26897593 - 08/24/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Has long term effects on impulse control too. All good though, it's flavored like candy.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26897616 - 08/24/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Look's like the ratio is 2 yes for every no.

I just watched a vice documentary on it. It's the best way to watch documentaries in my opinion.

It's called Meth Country


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: mndfreeze]
    #26897689 - 08/24/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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That's why kids have parents who are responsible for them until they turn 18, to make those decisions for them that the kids are incapable of making themselves.

There has been a lot of research on children and ADD/ADHD and the various stims actually work better when you are young than older.  The fallout over a lifetime is greatly increased when treated later in life instead of in those early stages.

That said, it definitely gets misdiagnosed and overly prescribed.



I feel like kids respond better to therapies designed to help them work around their problems than adults. I assume medicated kids who also receive therapy are also probably less likely to fall behind in class which can prevent issues down the road.

Idk I just know a handful of people who got put on stims as kids and grew up to be tweakers. It’s anecdotal evidence but it’s all I got lol. Guess it could just be an effect rural Appalachia has on people.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Yeetusdeetus] * 1
    #26897860 - 08/24/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Kids are supposed to also do therapy with meds.  It is a key part of the process that does sometimes get skipped for various reasons.  A lot of times, including with my daughter, the combination is only needed until they hit around adulthood. 

Drug abuse and ADHD also go hand in hand.  Proper treatment at an early age leads to less abusive behaviors down the road.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: mndfreeze]
    #26897969 - 08/24/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Think about the cardiac effects. Fark that. That's like drinking 300 or so energy drinks a day or something, if you sit down one day and hit two/three points or whatever.

I understand stimulating the body is beautiful, but this is a pretty destructive way to do it. I bet you if they legalize meth that heart attacks will sky rocket in 5 years.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #26897980 - 08/25/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I want to say yes just because all drugs should be but god that shits so bad for you. Every time I do it I can tell the next day that it just fucking wrecks your mind, spirit, and body.

Like if you want to that's you and all but i'd really fucking strongly advise against it. Ya it feels good for the first 8 hours but were not meant to stay up 24/7.

No wonder all meth heads look the same. All fucking.. Ughh gross.. Just dnn't.

The way i've always done it is once and a blue moon. I regret it every time. I have no idea how people can just do that shit for days and days. Yuck. Making me gag just thinking about it.

Society wouldn't be losing anything positive if crank just vanished off the face of the earth and never existed.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #26897983 - 08/25/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Think about the cardiac effects. Fark that. That's like drinking 300 or so energy drinks a day or something, if you sit down one day and hit two/three points or whatever.

I understand stimulating the body is beautiful, but this is a pretty destructive way to do it. I bet you if they legalize meth that heart attacks will sky rocket in 5 years.





For real man for the next 36 hours after dosing my heart is just fucking smash smash smash against my ribcage at 100 bpm non stop. 100+ if i'm doing anything but laying down. Gross.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26898215 - 08/25/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

All substances should be legal.

All people should be responsible for their own actions and addictions related to their use of substances.

Alcohol, meth and synthetic opiates are destroyers of so many lives.

Do what you may but shut the fuck up if your life ends up in the toilet and know that you are harming your family, no matter what you think or what you have been told once you become an addict. You are a servant to a substance, everything else takes a back seat.

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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: FrancoAmerican]
    #26898271 - 08/25/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Legal with age limits and maybe harm reduction training.

Its whack how many students had scripts for addies and benzos when i was in school. 2 dudes i knew were prescribed long time landed in jail for violent crimes a few years after graduating. Lot of good the meds did for em.

Taxing addicts seems like as wholesome a means of revenue generation and way to squander use as it gets.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Shiithead]
    #26898280 - 08/25/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Let me put it this way, the only reason meth is illegal like all of our other wonderful drugs is because society is structured around benefitting the greediest and most privileged and drugs make you not give a fuck about things. That means they're scared shitless of what society might look like if people wise up or just generally stop being materialist. Because let's face it, if you focus your life on gaining wealth then clearly that monetary value and the ability to exercise it is part of your life. As in, in agreeance with the status quo :shrug:


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Shiithead]
    #26898334 - 08/25/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes and no

The only way it should ever be legal is if it literally 99+% pure, and it should only be legal for physically healthy and strong people to use it.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: thirtygoats]
    #26898341 - 08/25/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What bruh lmaooo. Should only physically healthy and strong people legally be allowed to eat mcdonalds? Bonehead comment.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: mndfreeze]
    #26898350 - 08/25/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, what happened to that airzO person? :smirk: Seems all the posts dissipated too, hmm.....


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26898436 - 08/25/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He went the way of the dodo.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26898444 - 08/25/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

LOL! I knew who that was as soon as I saw the post.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26898461 - 08/25/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He'll be back.

Back on the topic; I'm very much of the opinion that it should all be legal and very pure.

I can think of many, many reasons this should be the case, and having had this debate/discussion many times over, I feel the arguments against pale in comparison.

Not that it'll ever happen IMO; this (manmade) world was made backwards, and backwards it shall forever remain.


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    #26898480 - 08/25/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26898498 - 08/25/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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He'll be back.

Back on the topic; I'm very much of the opinion that it should all be legal and very pure.

I can think of many, many reasons this should be the case, and having had this debate/discussion many times over, I feel the arguments against pale in comparison.

Not that it'll ever happen IMO; this (manmade) world was made backwards, and backwards it shall forever remain.



I disagree. I think in about 10-20 years when I am near my deathbed (closer anyway, lol) that there will be things in place that people never thought would happen. I prefer the positive thoughts.:grin:


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26898505 - 08/25/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If they made adderall and ritalin over the counter I don't think there would be much of a market for meth.

I think they should make drugs more available for old people. Especially weed and hallucinogens. If you're old they should just give you free shrooms and hash.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
    #26898512 - 08/25/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I can agree with that 100%!


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
    #26898616 - 08/25/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: BeeZee]
    #26898639 - 08/25/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The suits on the hill would never allocate tax money to services intended to help taxpayers :lol:


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: thirtygoats]
    #26898694 - 08/25/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes and no

The only way it should ever be legal is if it literally 99+% pure, and it should only be legal for physically healthy and strong people to use it.




:lol:

physically healthy and strong people aren't going to touch the garbage with a ten foot pole.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26898702 - 08/25/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

IDK, they drink caffeinated drinks a lot, a lot of them too.:shrug:


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26898764 - 08/25/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ya because we all know having a cup of coffee is a slippery slope to slamming a couple points of tweak in a gas station bath room.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26898776 - 08/25/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Daily caffeine consumption at the level most Americans use it is pretty rough on the ticker after a while


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26898967 - 08/25/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Daily caffeine consumption at the level most Americans use it is pretty rough on the ticker after a while



Combine that with the alcohol consumption of the average American. Man, we treat our bodies like shit :frown:


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26898978 - 08/25/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I prefer the positive thoughts.



I prefer reality, as grim as it most often it, I'd rather take it on the nose and deal with it than try and avoid it.

IIRC; you severely dislike the saying 'it is what it is'?


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26898983 - 08/25/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Tweakers gonna tweak. I view them as lessers. I do hope all drugs are legal one day tho.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
    #26899025 - 08/25/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Tweakers gonna tweak. I view them as lessers.



Sounds like your youthful arrogance still has your reins?


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26899150 - 08/25/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think if it was legal we wouldn't have all these clandestine labs blowing up everywhere, no way they could compete with Walmart. Hell the state could charge 200 bucks for a shard card and pump that into our educational system.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: liloldme]
    #26899172 - 08/25/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

As long as it stays federally illegal they probably won’t use the money for the military budget at least


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26899200 - 08/25/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I prefer the positive thoughts.



I prefer reality, as grim as it most often it, I'd rather take it on the nose and deal with it than try and avoid it.

IIRC; you severely dislike the saying 'it is what it is'?



I take a lot of shit on the nose, ass, and elsewhere. I deal with it without avoiding it, but I can still think positive thoughts and believe in the good that is still in the world rather than be all doom and gloom 24/7/365. Not saying you or anyone are doing that (I do see that in here a bit). I try to put out as good a vibe as I can even though it seems futile, useless, and impossible at times. Some of my posts (as you can see) are knee jerk and reactionary. I often go back and read them when those things are pointed out to me and I reflect and reassess.

It is what it is, yeah, but it could be what it could be.:shrug:


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26899208 - 08/25/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What are you talm bout!!!!!!


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    #26899237 - 08/25/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26899765 - 08/26/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Tweakers gonna tweak. I view them as lessers.



Sounds like your youthful arrogance still has your reins?




I just think there's degrees to this shit. The type of person who starts doing meth in the first place is probably pretty dumb. Then the more and more they spiral out of control the dumber they get its not their fault. Same with all hard drugs that are extremely addictive an pump up your ego.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26899814 - 08/26/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

if meth was actually legal what kind of people are going to open up a shop that sells it. like go through all the licensing and whatever it would be embarrassing. only thing I could see is asian smoke shop owners doing it but there would probably be some major zoning laws which would end up requiring most places to actually build a new shop somewhere else. so if meth was legal pretty much no one would sell it and there would still be a black market. thats how bad it is


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    #26899815 - 08/26/20 02:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Walgreens and CVS went through the licensing.


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    #26899816 - 08/26/20 02:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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    #26899899 - 08/26/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

But I want the cat piss crystal in a lightbulb experience

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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
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Tweakers gonna tweak. I view them as lessers.



Sounds like your youthful arrogance still has your reins?




I just think there's degrees to this shit. The type of person who starts doing meth in the first place is probably pretty dumb. Then the more and more they spiral out of control the dumber they get its not their fault. Same with all hard drugs that are extremely addictive an pump up your ego.



On the one hand I kind of agree. In my personal life I'd tend to avoid people with those kinds of habits for good reason. It has a tendency to lead to poor decision making the more it becomes the focus of your time and I have a family. But I'm also pretty tolerant, what I just described is really just me being avoidant of potential drama. That doesn't make them lesser or even dumb. The problem with this discussion is there are subsets of people. Someone who uses meth is different from a meth head. Someone who uses meth you might never know they have done it, it's not their focus. I've done meth a few times, but it's not who I am. So I don't fit in to the box this conversation created. What it comes down to is we create ideals for ourself and over time we align our relationships and principles to achieve that goal. That means we get judgey even when we don't think we are and make up decisions and ideas that tend to trivialize the person it's directed at.

What I find weird though, upon recollection,  is what I just said about meth not being "for me." The odd thing about that is I never found it addictive. Like at all. Stimulants are not my calling. I love psychedelics. Too much. Some folks are scared to death of them. Others can't help but get addicted to meth. Life's weird that way man. Maybe have a lil brain sesh on causality brah


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26899917 - 08/26/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I never smoked or snorted meth but i used to eat shards of it every once in a while, and it was incedibly non-habit forming in that roa at least. Idk how the fuck someone could be wired af for 12 hours then be like 'lets do it againnn!! And like, all the time from now on!'. How do people even find the time to be a methhead


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    #26899933 - 08/26/20 05:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I know some people at the local dollar general do it while they’re at work. I’ve never seen items scanned so fast in my life


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26900031 - 08/26/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I just think there's degrees to this shit. The type of person who starts doing meth in the first place is probably pretty dumb. Then the more and more they spiral out of control the dumber they get its not their fault. Same with all hard drugs that are extremely addictive an pump up your ego.



Do you think the same about someone that takes a drink? A puff? A bump of coke or heroin?

Most people are pretty dumb in some way or another. Most people are also pretty smart in one way or another.

Thinking yourself as greater than anyone is unbelievably dumb IMO. Meth is actually pretty useful in the right kind of situation/scenario.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26900045 - 08/26/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lack of empathy is a pretty common thing you see in meth heads. They dont care about anyone but themselves and are pretty evil if you ask me. Always scheming and paranoid schizophrenic type of behavior. I just feel like I haven't stooped to that level yet and I dont plan on finding out how meth isn't that bad.

Theres nothing wrong with smoking or drinking but I draw the line at the harder stuff. Just seems fucked up to be up for days on end tweaking. I've only ever did psychedelics and weed and have never done any stimulants yet because I would probably like them to much. If someone wants to just do some dope responsibly then I dont see a problem with that at all. I dont know anyone who does meth responsibly tho.


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    #26900057 - 08/26/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So you don't try stims because you'd like them too much? You recognize you're just as weak as they are. If in fact that's the case the only thing making you not a lesser in your eyes is life experience. It's like saying, "I would be a meth head, but I'm not so opinions." I recognize how fortitude and self awareness are desirable traits, but are you really being self aware if I have to point how how ironic it is you started that off with talking about how unempathetic they are?:lol:


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    #26900064 - 08/26/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's cutely ironic that you yourself display a lack of empathy when accusing others of having a lack of empathy.

I used to use meth 'responsibly' (at least, as much as one can do with such a drug) a few times a year when my ex-wife and I would have weekend long romp sessions. It's the best drug in the world for that, IMO.

Fact is, there's nothing wrong with doing any drug, if you keep it to a a couple of times a year. Those that use the hard stuff more often tend to have deep rooted mental health issues. It would be nice if we, as a community, would not be judgmental over those that are in those shoes but hey ho.


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    #26900076 - 08/26/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I would confidently say that I have improved myself since I stopped using meth/hard drugs. Is that in a roundabout way also unempathetic to myself, for acknowledging that I was fucking up and was doing asshole meth shit and was stupid for doing hard drugs? Where can we draw the line of feeling 'better' than another, and how much range does that definition cover in terms of describing a person?

Doing hard drugs is stupid and not good, Using them 'responsibly' still stupid and a wildly unnecessary risk. Whether or not you want to label those things as aspects that make you not "better" than someone, is subjective and semantic. Being a drug addict is bad.  People who arent drug addicts are inherently making a major decision that is 'better' than the ones the drug addicts made, by abstaining from doing things that have such a huge potential to destroy their life and the lives of those around them. And again, whether that makes them 'better people' as a whole is semantic and is obviously a completely unquantifiable claim that essentially means nothing to anyone who isnt the person saying it. Really by the tone of the original post it was obvious the guy was being a bit tongue in cheek and hyperbolic with the "I am better than them". I thought it was p funny


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26900077 - 08/26/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Fact is, there's nothing wrong with doing any drug, if you keep it to a a couple of times a year.





I hear this a lot, but it's just not something that anyone can claim as fact.  If someone's health isn't 100%, and they have underlying conditions...doing a drug just once could be seriously harmful to them.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26900079 - 08/26/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I hate when you go to buy molly and it's either entirely meth or heavily cut with meth. That shit goes in the garbage. It doesn't produce the kind of euphoria that molly does, not even close. I can tell the difference right away. They need to legalize pure molly and sass. That's what the people really need.


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    #26900080 - 08/26/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Also just obviously atrocious advice to give lmao. Dont worry bout it m8, not everyone gets the bug, eh?? I shagged me wife on meth and i dont feel like a bad dude


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: 1234go]
    #26900085 - 08/26/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I hear this a lot, but it's just not something that anyone can claim as fact.  If someone's health isn't 100%, and they have underlying conditions...doing a drug just once could be seriously harmful to them.



OK, I used the term 'fact is' casually here. I don't mean it is a HARD fact - of course one could do the one hit of a hard drug and then keel over - but then one could keel over with an aneurysm at any moment without too.

The metaphorical bus is always a possibility.

Point being, that it is is possible to USE any drug reasonably/sensibly; and this would involve, say, NOT doing a huge line of coke if one is recovering from a recent heart attack, for example.


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    #26900093 - 08/26/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Also just obviously atrocious advice to give lmao. Dont worry bout it m8, not everyone gets the bug, eh?? I shagged me wife on meth and i dont feel like a bad dude





Yeah, it's highly irresponsible in my opinion. 
Not everyone can handle what the next guy can handle, and a lot of people (myself included) have the tendency to get hooked after trying things only once.


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    #26900099 - 08/26/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Point being, that it is is possible to USE any drug reasonably/sensibly; and this would involve, say, NOT doing a huge line of coke if one is recovering from a recent heart attack, for example.





Still...if someone is unaware of a heart condition, there's no way to "sensibly" do a huge line of coke.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: 1234go]
    #26900122 - 08/26/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I will be on board with meth legalization if all Americans get access to free healthcare first.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #26900149 - 08/26/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I say we outlaw cheeseburgers and hand out free meth:headbanger:


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26901758 - 08/27/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I say “meth lite” should be distributed twice daily to any and all people who put in a full 8 hour work day in an American factory job. Once in the am... a production dose and a party dose for after work...

Compromise and productivity. Why can’t everyone get their fix.?


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: FrancoAmerican] * 1
    #26901869 - 08/27/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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FrancoAmerican said:
I say “meth lite” should be distributed twice daily to any and all people who put in a full 8 hour work day in an American factory job. Once in the am... a production dose and a party dose for after work...

Compromise and productivity. Why can’t everyone get their fix.?



Sounds like Soma from A Brave New World...

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Alduous Huxley said:
There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods.



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Alduous Huxley said:
But the need for frequent chemical vacations from intolerable selfhood and repulsive surroundings will undoubtedly remain;

What is needed is a new drug which will relieve and console our suffering species without doing more harm in the long run than it does good in the short. Such a drug must be potent in minute doses and synthesizable. If it does not possess these qualities, its production, like that of wine, beer, spirits and tobacco will interfere with the raising of indispensable food and fibers.

It must be less toxic than opium or cocaine, less likely to produce undesirable social consequences than alcohol or the barbiturates, less inimical to heart and lungs than the tars and nicotine of cigarettes. And, on the positive side, it should produce changes in consciousness more interesting, more intrinsically valuable than mere sedation or dreaminess, delusions of omnipotence or release from inhibition.

To most people, mescalin is almost completely innocuous. Unlike alcohol, it does not drive the taker into the kind of uninhibited action which results in brawls, crimes of violence and traffic accidents. A man under the influence of mescalin quietly minds his own business. Moreover, the business he minds is an experience of the most enlightening kind, which does not have to be paid for (and this is surely important) by a compensatory hangover.

Of the long-range consequences of regular mescalin taking we know very little. The Indians who consume peyote buttons do not seem to be physically or morally degraded by the habit. However, the available evidence is still scarce and sketchy.

Although obviously superior to cocaine, opium, alcohol and tobacco, mescalin is not yet the ideal drug. Along with the happily transfigured majority of mescalin takers there is a minority that finds in the drug only hell or purgatory. Moreover, for a drug that is to be used, like alcohol, for general consumption, its effects last for an inconveniently long time. But chemistry and physiology are capable nowadays of practically anything.

If the psychologists and sociologists will define the ideal, the neurologists and pharmacologists can be relied upon to discover the means whereby that ideal can be realized or at least (for perhaps this kind of ideal can never, in the very nature of things, be fully realized) more nearly approached than in the wine-bibbing past, the whisky- drinking, marijuana-smoking and barbiturate-swallowing present.




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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26903440 - 08/28/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hell yes atleast decriminalized would be nice


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