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OfflineOvoidhunter
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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26899765 - 08/26/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Tweakers gonna tweak. I view them as lessers.



Sounds like your youthful arrogance still has your reins?




I just think there's degrees to this shit. The type of person who starts doing meth in the first place is probably pretty dumb. Then the more and more they spiral out of control the dumber they get its not their fault. Same with all hard drugs that are extremely addictive an pump up your ego.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26899814 - 08/26/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

if meth was actually legal what kind of people are going to open up a shop that sells it. like go through all the licensing and whatever it would be embarrassing. only thing I could see is asian smoke shop owners doing it but there would probably be some major zoning laws which would end up requiring most places to actually build a new shop somewhere else. so if meth was legal pretty much no one would sell it and there would still be a black market. thats how bad it is


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26899815 - 08/26/20 02:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Walgreens and CVS went through the licensing.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26899816 - 08/26/20 02:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

to sell meth?!


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26899821 - 08/26/20 02:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26899899 - 08/26/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

But I want the cat piss crystal in a lightbulb experience

Do I look like some Silicon Valley fancy pants :evildog:


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26899910 - 08/26/20 05:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Ovoidhunter said:
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Jokeshopbeard said:
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Ovoidhunter said:
Tweakers gonna tweak. I view them as lessers.



Sounds like your youthful arrogance still has your reins?




I just think there's degrees to this shit. The type of person who starts doing meth in the first place is probably pretty dumb. Then the more and more they spiral out of control the dumber they get its not their fault. Same with all hard drugs that are extremely addictive an pump up your ego.



On the one hand I kind of agree. In my personal life I'd tend to avoid people with those kinds of habits for good reason. It has a tendency to lead to poor decision making the more it becomes the focus of your time and I have a family. But I'm also pretty tolerant, what I just described is really just me being avoidant of potential drama. That doesn't make them lesser or even dumb. The problem with this discussion is there are subsets of people. Someone who uses meth is different from a meth head. Someone who uses meth you might never know they have done it, it's not their focus. I've done meth a few times, but it's not who I am. So I don't fit in to the box this conversation created. What it comes down to is we create ideals for ourself and over time we align our relationships and principles to achieve that goal. That means we get judgey even when we don't think we are and make up decisions and ideas that tend to trivialize the person it's directed at.

What I find weird though, upon recollection,  is what I just said about meth not being "for me." The odd thing about that is I never found it addictive. Like at all. Stimulants are not my calling. I love psychedelics. Too much. Some folks are scared to death of them. Others can't help but get addicted to meth. Life's weird that way man. Maybe have a lil brain sesh on causality brah


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26899917 - 08/26/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I never smoked or snorted meth but i used to eat shards of it every once in a while, and it was incedibly non-habit forming in that roa at least. Idk how the fuck someone could be wired af for 12 hours then be like 'lets do it againnn!! And like, all the time from now on!'. How do people even find the time to be a methhead


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26899933 - 08/26/20 05:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I know some people at the local dollar general do it while they’re at work. I’ve never seen items scanned so fast in my life


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26900031 - 08/26/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I just think there's degrees to this shit. The type of person who starts doing meth in the first place is probably pretty dumb. Then the more and more they spiral out of control the dumber they get its not their fault. Same with all hard drugs that are extremely addictive an pump up your ego.



Do you think the same about someone that takes a drink? A puff? A bump of coke or heroin?

Most people are pretty dumb in some way or another. Most people are also pretty smart in one way or another.

Thinking yourself as greater than anyone is unbelievably dumb IMO. Meth is actually pretty useful in the right kind of situation/scenario.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26900045 - 08/26/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lack of empathy is a pretty common thing you see in meth heads. They dont care about anyone but themselves and are pretty evil if you ask me. Always scheming and paranoid schizophrenic type of behavior. I just feel like I haven't stooped to that level yet and I dont plan on finding out how meth isn't that bad.

Theres nothing wrong with smoking or drinking but I draw the line at the harder stuff. Just seems fucked up to be up for days on end tweaking. I've only ever did psychedelics and weed and have never done any stimulants yet because I would probably like them to much. If someone wants to just do some dope responsibly then I dont see a problem with that at all. I dont know anyone who does meth responsibly tho.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
    #26900057 - 08/26/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So you don't try stims because you'd like them too much? You recognize you're just as weak as they are. If in fact that's the case the only thing making you not a lesser in your eyes is life experience. It's like saying, "I would be a meth head, but I'm not so opinions." I recognize how fortitude and self awareness are desirable traits, but are you really being self aware if I have to point how how ironic it is you started that off with talking about how unempathetic they are?:lol:


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
    #26900064 - 08/26/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's cutely ironic that you yourself display a lack of empathy when accusing others of having a lack of empathy.

I used to use meth 'responsibly' (at least, as much as one can do with such a drug) a few times a year when my ex-wife and I would have weekend long romp sessions. It's the best drug in the world for that, IMO.

Fact is, there's nothing wrong with doing any drug, if you keep it to a a couple of times a year. Those that use the hard stuff more often tend to have deep rooted mental health issues. It would be nice if we, as a community, would not be judgmental over those that are in those shoes but hey ho.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26900076 - 08/26/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I would confidently say that I have improved myself since I stopped using meth/hard drugs. Is that in a roundabout way also unempathetic to myself, for acknowledging that I was fucking up and was doing asshole meth shit and was stupid for doing hard drugs? Where can we draw the line of feeling 'better' than another, and how much range does that definition cover in terms of describing a person?

Doing hard drugs is stupid and not good, Using them 'responsibly' still stupid and a wildly unnecessary risk. Whether or not you want to label those things as aspects that make you not "better" than someone, is subjective and semantic. Being a drug addict is bad.  People who arent drug addicts are inherently making a major decision that is 'better' than the ones the drug addicts made, by abstaining from doing things that have such a huge potential to destroy their life and the lives of those around them. And again, whether that makes them 'better people' as a whole is semantic and is obviously a completely unquantifiable claim that essentially means nothing to anyone who isnt the person saying it. Really by the tone of the original post it was obvious the guy was being a bit tongue in cheek and hyperbolic with the "I am better than them". I thought it was p funny


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26900077 - 08/26/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Fact is, there's nothing wrong with doing any drug, if you keep it to a a couple of times a year.





I hear this a lot, but it's just not something that anyone can claim as fact.  If someone's health isn't 100%, and they have underlying conditions...doing a drug just once could be seriously harmful to them.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26900079 - 08/26/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I hate when you go to buy molly and it's either entirely meth or heavily cut with meth. That shit goes in the garbage. It doesn't produce the kind of euphoria that molly does, not even close. I can tell the difference right away. They need to legalize pure molly and sass. That's what the people really need.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: 1234go]
    #26900080 - 08/26/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Also just obviously atrocious advice to give lmao. Dont worry bout it m8, not everyone gets the bug, eh?? I shagged me wife on meth and i dont feel like a bad dude


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: 1234go]
    #26900085 - 08/26/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I hear this a lot, but it's just not something that anyone can claim as fact.  If someone's health isn't 100%, and they have underlying conditions...doing a drug just once could be seriously harmful to them.



OK, I used the term 'fact is' casually here. I don't mean it is a HARD fact - of course one could do the one hit of a hard drug and then keel over - but then one could keel over with an aneurysm at any moment without too.

The metaphorical bus is always a possibility.

Point being, that it is is possible to USE any drug reasonably/sensibly; and this would involve, say, NOT doing a huge line of coke if one is recovering from a recent heart attack, for example.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26900093 - 08/26/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Also just obviously atrocious advice to give lmao. Dont worry bout it m8, not everyone gets the bug, eh?? I shagged me wife on meth and i dont feel like a bad dude





Yeah, it's highly irresponsible in my opinion. 
Not everyone can handle what the next guy can handle, and a lot of people (myself included) have the tendency to get hooked after trying things only once.


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Re: Should meth be legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26900099 - 08/26/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Point being, that it is is possible to USE any drug reasonably/sensibly; and this would involve, say, NOT doing a huge line of coke if one is recovering from a recent heart attack, for example.





Still...if someone is unaware of a heart condition, there's no way to "sensibly" do a huge line of coke.


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