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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: Munchauzen]
#26895436 - 08/23/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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May want to try 8-10 Monos, get your processes dialed in, not going from 0-80 in a week, let alone a month...
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: Tstone]
#26896204 - 08/24/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am currently running as of this writing 66 monotubs. 44 of them are 82ish qt and the remainder are 76qt.
At first it was tough because it was learning to take information from here and expand it so it was feasible to get work done without making things take a whole day. Things like..
A spray bottle for misting won't cut it. I use a backpack sprayer. Using a big mixing spoon to mix up spawn and sub takes too long. I dump the spawn into a mixing tub, shovel in my sub and then mix it using a drill with a paint stirring attachment. Mixing sub up in a cooler sucks. Now I shred the bricks, pour my verm and gyp in and the boiling water. After a few hours that gets dumped into a cement mixer to mix it.
My advice if you are looking to run a fuckton of monotubs is to spawn them in waves so you don't have to try and harvest them too many at a time.
Use proven clones only.
Be prepared to deal with the spent sub because holy shit the garbage bags pile up fast.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: starbones]
#26896211 - 08/24/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh and if you are using a Presto 23qt to feed spawn to the beast order 1-2 extra gasket/plug sets to have on hand. Sucks to have boiled half a sack of oats only to start dealing with a failed gasket.
Them fuckers don't last long when PCing this much.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: starbones]
#26896212 - 08/24/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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starbones said: I am currently running as of this writing 66 monotubs. 44 of them are 82ish qt and the remainder are 76qt.
At first it was tough because it was learning to take information from here and expand it so it was feasible to get work done without making things take a whole day. Things like..
A spray bottle for misting won't cut it. I use a backpack sprayer. Using a big mixing spoon to mix up spawn and sub takes too long. I dump the spawn into a mixing tub, shovel in my sub and then mix it using a drill with a paint stirring attachment. Mixing sub up in a cooler sucks. Now I shred the bricks, pour my verm and gyp in and the boiling water. After a few hours that gets dumped into a cement mixer to mix it.
My advice if you are looking to run a fuckton of monotubs is to spawn them in waves so you don't have to try and harvest them too many at a time.
Use proven clones only.
Be prepared to deal with the spent sub because holy shit the garbage bags pile up fast.
How do you shred the bricks? Breaking them apart by hand sucks when you're doing 10kg a go.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: MycoWill]
#26896218 - 08/24/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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MycoWill said:
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starbones said: I am currently running as of this writing 66 monotubs. 44 of them are 82ish qt and the remainder are 76qt.
At first it was tough because it was learning to take information from here and expand it so it was feasible to get work done without making things take a whole day. Things like..
A spray bottle for misting won't cut it. I use a backpack sprayer. Using a big mixing spoon to mix up spawn and sub takes too long. I dump the spawn into a mixing tub, shovel in my sub and then mix it using a drill with a paint stirring attachment. Mixing sub up in a cooler sucks. Now I shred the bricks, pour my verm and gyp in and the boiling water. After a few hours that gets dumped into a cement mixer to mix it.
My advice if you are looking to run a fuckton of monotubs is to spawn them in waves so you don't have to try and harvest them too many at a time.
Use proven clones only.
Be prepared to deal with the spent sub because holy shit the garbage bags pile up fast.
How do you shred the bricks? Breaking them apart by hand sucks when you're doing 10kg a go.
Screwdriver or a crowbar and rubber mallet work well. Shove it between the compressed layers.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: Rapjack]
#26896242 - 08/24/20 01:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The 5k bricks actually break up pretty easily ime.
Like he said you need something flat to get between layers. I just use a big fixed blade hunting knife I can stab in and then pull the handle to the side and the whole thing peels off.
It also seems to make it absorb water quicker and more evenly. I hate having to add more water cuz there’s big dry chunks hidden in there.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: A.k.a]
#26896521 - 08/24/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I take my bricks out of the packaging so they absorb ambient moisture from the air over time. Makes them VERY easy to shred by hand after awhile with no need for tools.
You are going to end up pouring boiling water on them anyways so having stacks of seperated slabs from a 5kg bale sitting around is no problem.
I run three coolers, 2 slabs per cooler, 18qt water, 8qt of verm and 1qt gypsum. My cement mixer is 5 cubic foot so one cooler ends up being more than a load in it. Cement mixer is VERY nice for adjusting for field capacity by adding more verm. I have since started preparing my sub on the drier side and have been loving the speed of colonization when it is lighter and fluffier.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: starbones]
#26896544 - 08/24/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I can offer some advice from the heart.
You will find yourself chained to your home. No weekend camping trips, no going out of town. You will find yourself with tubs of black spore dumps if you do not keep up and there is absolutely nothing worse than having to clean so many caps.
Spores look, smell and taste like shit. Not being home means your tubs keep going without you. This is not so bad when under ten tubs but once you have them at a higher count and staggered to fruit in waves you have now turned a hobby into a job. Sucks the fun right out of it.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: starbones]
#26896567 - 08/24/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I could see that. You’d have to plan ahead for leaving town and stop spawning weeks ahead of time.
I think I’d just end up harvesting a ton of immature mushrooms instead. Or ideally you’d have a huge refrigerator space that you could just have them sit in and stall til you came back lol.
If you’re able to go through that much fruit on a regular basis I’m sure you can afford some sort of solution.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: A.k.a]
#26896614 - 08/24/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yup, you have to stop spawning and slow things right down which requires a lot of planning and will mean an absolute lull in production when you start again. If spores didn't give me a tummy ache anything small in my canopies that gets decked in them would be powdered and put into 00 gel caps.
I just want to keep myself and my friends stocked witg mushrooms for an entire year and I am finding this is the best way to do it right now because COVID has provided ample time.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: Tstone]
#26896720 - 08/24/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tstone said: Very individual question. 1. How motivated / dedicated are you? 2. Is it full time? 3. What equipment do you have? 4. Have a flow hood? 5. Do you travel a lot? 6. How big is your dehydrator /
Need to stagger tubs, 15 a week, on a rotation basis, manageable, but you won't be getting out much, lol
Only you can answer your own question...
Boils down to dedication, all I can say...
I agree, it depends upon the person, if you are normally lazy it will be overwhelming.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: starbones]
#26896724 - 08/24/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do 50, the key is to not make them all at once, a few days apart so you harvest some at the right time every day. It's a lot of work to have 50 on rotation but it's doable. I prefer to take a small break after each harvest. Each process balances itself out, not too much work in one given area just a balanced rotation and I do things probably a little less efficient than I could be. I never make more than 8 tubs a day. Spawn bags are the way to go, jars would be annoying, especially to have 200 and I could only fit 10 quarts in a little 23qt presto vs 24 qts of bags. For the spent subs I just throw them in my compost pile and cover them in my mowers lawn clippings. Doesn't ever seem to stack too high before they degrade down, rain helps
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#26897002 - 08/24/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Scaling is tough for most people and it quickly becomes overwhelming. Lots of good tips from members here.
Some of my tips (which may be redundant):
1. sub prep becomes cumbersome and proper pasteurization (if that's what you're looking for) becomes inefficient. You will need a cement mixer or drill attachment. If you use a drill, get one with the side handle or your hands will burn out mixing. I recommend a high capacity brew kettle to boil water. Bucket TEK will not work here lol
2. Stage or cycle your spawn to bulk/cultivation. 25/week is manageable, 50/week starts getting hectic
3. build a dehydrator (DIY box-fan style) or have a drying room. Your 10 tray dehydrator from Amazon isn't going to cut it. You would need at least 8 of these for anything over 25 tubs
4. build a "sick bay" room for contaminated tubs that *could* be salvaged. Get the bad ones out of the main area asap. If you have the resources, just toss them.
5. find an area to dispose used substrate. be mindful
6. consider having a helper you trust if you ever want to go away. "Train" them from the start so you have backup when you need it.
7. figure out what type of bag type you wan to use to store dried product. Ziplocks suck. Consider FoodSaver bags on a roll.
8. make sure your growing room is dialed in with clean air and temperature consistency before spawning. The heat from a lot of tubs will raise the ambient temp. Make sure any fans aren't on the ground or causing turbulence below 12". This is where most contams hide
9. make sure you're actually committed to it and understand that it will be a lot of work. This will be full-time+
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: maxmush]
#26897469 - 08/24/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would love to do 50 or more but that isn't going to happen, my wife is playing nice right now but that wouldn't fly, She's not about me having a bunch of illegal things around the house. I'm lucky to be able to have several shoe boxes of different species for study, but that's only because she sees me doing microscopy and documenting both macro and micro taxonomic characteristics. If it wasn't for that she would have told me to pack sand.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: starbones]
#26897609 - 08/24/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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starbones said: Be prepared to deal with the spent sub because holy shit the garbage bags pile up fast.
Please repeat that for the kids in the back sir.
This is a really big deal.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: mistermycelium]
#26897709 - 08/24/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are a bunch of uses for used sub. Grow a garden and toss it in, especially the trich infected ones (if you have any). They'll love the c02 and trich.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: maxmush]
#26897717 - 08/24/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's all well and good unless you live residential with nosy old boomer neighbors who spend their retirement watching you in your backyard. Even then when you're dealing with 30+ spent subs from 80+ qt monotubs your garden isn't gonna be big enough to handle it all.
I was building a utility sink with a maceration pump to grind up substrate with water and pump it into my sewer pipe but ditched that idea when I realized somewhere down the line someone might start asking questions at the waste treatment facility. Never know right? Not everyday a bunch of coconut coir, oats and mushroom stumps shows up.
Substrates even when spent are still kinda heavy, two or more per bag and they start to really pile up. If I lived rural I'd have no problem with burying them but when you get to this scale there is a world of difference between burying a few cakes and disposing of this stuff. You need to give it some serious thought.
Also watch things like receipts and whatnot that might end up in your grow room garbage, again you just never know what might happen and all it takes is one curious guy at the landfill wondering why the birds who keep snacking from a pile of certain garbage bags are acting funny.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: starbones]
#26897747 - 08/24/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol birds don't have 5-htp receptors.
I'm lucky to live in a place where i can just pile up spent sub right off the edge of my porch
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26897762 - 08/24/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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3 full time jobs here and i can manage 20 at a time. Used to manage 40 plus with one full time job. Harvesting is where it gets difficult. If your cutting down 10 Plus monos at once that can be a full time job in itself. On my two solid varieties im pulling 8oz dry per tub. For me i have limited space being 2x6x7’ and i can fit 20 monos stacked to the Ceiling. For me yield per tub is of The utmost importance due to Space limitations. Id rather have A dense forest canopy and harvest 8 per tub than 5 per tub. If space isnt an issue and more harvest speed or methodology is more your rhythm, then you may work with varieties that give decent yield with easier harvest. Im a dyi kinda guy and most would say my shit is stone age setup but i can bang with the best.
I got a 925 AA that fits 10 quarts. 55 quart jars, some recycleable plates, exacto knife, blender jars with pour lids, a bernzomatic torch and a fold out table. And i can pull many lbs per month off that type of setup. Once you grt that rhythm down its simple maintenance and timing.
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Re: How Many Monotubs Can Be Managed At Once? [Re: eatyualive]
#26897818 - 08/24/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You could always use the old cube sub to grow edibles. Free sub/oysters from that and then you have all kinds of cover for your whole cult operation and trash output.
It blew my mind that you can just break up old cube sub reprep it and knock it up with oysters or shitake or whatever.
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