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Fruiting on bottom rather than top
#26895296 - 08/23/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So this is a new one. I used liners made of white garbage bags in monotubs. The surface was kept nice and glisteny but hardly any fruiting. I noticed that the entire bottom of the sub had fruited and this happened on 4 tubs. Pretty much all of them. I am stumped. I mean there is a liner. What fresh air could be in there? How is this happening? Is it because the liners are white and the light can get through maybe?
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: ShamanBag] 1
#26895368 - 08/23/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Worked out the sides well? Perhaps the liner sticks to the walls, so condensation can run through air pockets to the bottom. Light isn't the cause. Pictures always tell something
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: Goatrider]
#26895384 - 08/23/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes. It looks like a typical normal tub would look. I've never had this amount of fruiting on the bottom before. The only thing different is that I used a white trash bag rather than black. At least that's clearly different to me. Temps are good. Usually I don't use a liner but I wanted to make clean up a little easier. It's weird. Sorry I don't have pictures available. I was just wondering if this is something people have seen before and could understand what's happening. The whole FAE thing is what really confuses me. I mean the bottoms were covered with big mushrooms but the tops not. No air down there. Maybe the mycelium is pulling air through the tops and that's sufficient for growth on the bottom.
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: ShamanBag]
#26895450 - 08/23/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I use liners for easy clean as well, however everyday white kitchen trash bags not worth a dam. Go for 3 mil black contractor bags, and split them in half, 2 tubs per bag. If you can see light through the liner, not worth even using.
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: Tstone]
#26895488 - 08/23/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Light has nothing to do with side pins. Its all about surface conditions. If you are getting side of bottom pins its because the microclimate is better there. Gas exchange is done by the entire structure, not just the fruits. Doesn't matter the source necessarily as long as it makes it to the substrate. Liners are a waste of time imo.
Im guessing you had holes in your sub at the bottom creating an awesome microclimate
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26895506 - 08/23/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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i only liked liners for a means of fast easy clean up but whats nice with growing pans since u need a casing to fruit you dont get crazy side pins all the way down the sides like u so with cubes. ul get them on the very top of the outside edge only down to where the casing starts and man its been nice this last year not dealing with them at all like that.
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: jcm4620]
#26895508 - 08/23/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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like i said before i think ima have the sticker/decal shop here in town and make up some side pins suck bumper/window stickers to gjve out with my next print giveaway
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: jcm4620]
#26895518 - 08/23/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont need a print, but ill send you some stamps for a bumper sticker. Ive been meaning to help out the post office
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: jcm4620]
#26895536 - 08/23/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: like i said before i think ima have the sticker/decal shop here in town and make up some side pins suck bumper/window stickers to gjve out with my next print giveaway
When/where is this print giveaway going to happen? 😁
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: jcm4620]
#26896612 - 08/24/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: like i said before i think ima have the sticker/decal shop here in town and make up some side pins suck bumper/window stickers to gjve out with my next print giveaway
I'd love some pan cyan prints. I want to foray. And that sticker sounds awesome! Sign me up for the giveaway please!
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26896623 - 08/24/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Light has nothing to do with side pins. Its all about surface conditions. If you are getting side of bottom pins its because the microclimate is better there. Gas exchange is done by the entire structure, not just the fruits. Doesn't matter the source necessarily as long as it makes it to the substrate. Liners are a waste of time imo.
Im guessing you had holes in your sub at the bottom creating an awesome microclimate
I'm not sure about holes down there. I never had this problem using the thick black liners but it does stand to reason that somehow the microclimate down on the bottom was better than the top. It's just strange since other than using a different liner everything was done exactly the same as usual. I just used a whole white trash bag rather than the typical one layer thick plastic. I'm starting to think that the thin double layer plastic allowed some bunching up and air pockets as compared to the less bunchable thicker plastic.
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26896636 - 08/24/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Light has nothing to do with side pins. Its all about surface conditions. If you are getting side of bottom pins its because the microclimate is better there.
That part. Work on your field capacity
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: Funky Monkey]
#26896641 - 08/24/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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what are you using for a fruiting chamber?
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: Funky Monkey]
#26907490 - 08/30/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Light has nothing to do with side pins. Its all about surface conditions. If you are getting side of bottom pins its because the microclimate is better there.
That part. Work on your field capacity 
Does any of the information here lead you to suspect my field capacity is either too wet or too dry? I have been having weird issues with surface conditions. I feel like it's a bit too wet and was thinking that I should try a bit drier. The sides stay wet with condensation but the surface does not seem to stay glisteny even with unmodified tubs that are not cracked.
I am using shoeboxes, 12qt Iris tubs, 66qt monotubs with both poly and micropore tape. None of them stay optimally moist on top.
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: Doc9151]
#26907494 - 08/30/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: what are you using for a fruiting chamber?
The problem ones were 66qt monotubs with poly and one unmodified 54qt tub.
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Re: Fruiting on bottom rather than top [Re: ShamanBag]
#26913708 - 09/02/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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One issue could be the size of the water droplets dispersed while misting, large drops will damage the mycelium causing it to bruise, you want it to be a fine mist.
How are you judging field capacity? I do mine by taking a handful of substrate and squeeze as hard as I can. I want to see only a few drops come out when I'm squeezing it as hard as possible (white knuckling it). keep detailed notes on what you are doing, so you have references and can go back to see what works and doesn't work. Once you get field capacity and humidity right you shouldn't have to mist the substrate, i usually only mist the sides of the tub to keep the humidity up. When doing shoe boxes and I don’t have anywhere I can keep the humidity levels high enough, an unmodified tote makes a great fruiting chamber.
edit: I flip the lid on the tote with the shoeboxes inside
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Edited by Doc9151 (09/02/20 12:38 PM)
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