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Group dosing experience/mazatapec
    #26895025 - 08/23/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm fortunate to have had a 400g+ first flush of mazatapec just now, and friends and I will be getting together tomorrow evening to dose on the dried shrooms. (413g wet reduced to 31g cracker dry. I expected only 90% water loss.)

How does maz potency compare to the average cube? I'm ready for a larger dose, and haven't microdosed or tripped recently, wondering if 5g dry on an empty stomach will be enough? I'm bringing fresh stones too, if people want something milder.

Comments?
I've also never tripped with other people around, wondering what the experience will be like with a small group? They're mostly experienced psychonauts, but I don't know if they'll bring others. What are good snacks to bring to a gathering like this?

Pic shows the flush--yes, all side pins!--just before harvesting 3 days ago. There's a story here, of course....

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Re: Group dosing experience/mazatapec [Re: RRedBBeard]
    #26895136 - 08/23/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

High doses are not easy. Especially, tripping in a group is a tough one. So many things can go wrong and might pull everybody's mood down.

I'd take a high dose alone first. Just to see how you react to this unknown territorry. Freaking out in a group is a bad thing for everyone.

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Re: Group dosing experience/mazatapec [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26895222 - 08/23/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Group trips need to have all the right people that you know and have tripped with or it will likely end up as source of trouble. I don't suggest anyone trying a high dose unless all the people are someone you know, and particularly know to be good to trip with.


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Re: Group dosing experience/mazatapec [Re: MindMeower]
    #26895706 - 08/23/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Good points, thanks! I've never tripped in the presence of another person, also never had a bad experience, but the most I've done is ~4g dry of GT. The 'group trip' will be in ~a week. If I do 15 wet grams of APE tomorrow, will next week's trip be too soon?
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Re: Group dosing experience/mazatapec [Re: RRedBBeard]
    #26897080 - 08/24/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

How many people, and how well do you all know each other?


Group trial run with the APE?


I'd say keeping it around 2/2.5g standard cubensis range everyone should be fine, mostly, and my only basis for that statement is that would be my dose at a show around other humans.

If I want to go deep I usually go solo...if I'm with the one or two close friends I'd do that with there's still always a little disclaimer period..ie/ hey man, don't take it personal if I go lay in the other room for a while type of thing.

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Re: Group dosing experience/mazatapec [Re: seldom seen]
    #26897304 - 08/24/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If I take a standard to high dose with another person (3g+), we generally spend time together bonding before the trip. They we have our own private space in a shared room or area where go start the trip.

Once we get comfortable and have had some relevant portion of our own personal journey, we may come together. But I find it paramount to be in my own space for the first two hours after ingestion.

For a gathering, I'd keep it to the 2g and below range. I've taken 1.5g at concerts and there were moments where it got a little troubling for me (mainly when it initially hit me and I could hear every conversation in the crowd of thousands of people. Needless to say I thought I was Bruce Almighty and freaked out for a solid 5 minutes before calming myself down).

Once you are more experienced and comfortable with the effects, you can accurately gauge if you are someone who can do high doses around others.


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Re: Group dosing experience/mazatapec [Re: seldom seen]
    #26897336 - 08/24/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

i’m basically just echoing what has already been said here, but i recently had a group trip in a cabin up in some woods & figured i could add some more detailed input. we had 9 people and 8 of us all did an 8th of some potent rustywhytes. i’m rather experienced, as were three of my best friends there (our preferred dose is an 8th & we’ve always handled the experiences very well.) the other 5 people had tripped before but had never done a dose as big as an 8th, & commented how intense the experience was (they had a blast for sure, but they clearly weren’t expecting it to hit as hard as it did.) the trip went incredibly smoothly & i think there were a few key factors there.

one: we were a group of all best friends. i knew about half the group really well, with a few being people i didn’t really know at all. however, the people i didn’t know were best friends of my best friends, so the vibes were all around really good. i never felt bad energy from anyone there. i think it’s important in larger group trips that everyone be close in some form or at least they be trusted individuals who you can reasonably expect won’t freak out or do any (bad) weird shit during the trip. i dunno how many people you’re planning on tripping with, but i think as long as they are all really trusted people you’ll be setting yourself up for a better chance of success. i’ve really never had a bad time tripping with 1-4 of my best friends in a “smaller” group either, so i think the level of trust and connection between everyone is important

two: we all had our own beds & couches & plenty of places to spread out in. none of us ever forced anyone into doing anything specific so everyone was naturally doing their own thing & our trips would cross over when i’d explore the house or people would come out onto the deck etc. but we all had places to retreat to & lay down & just get away. i’ve also tripped with 6 people practically just in my bedroom & it was still decent overall but we just didn’t have the room to spread out which kinda sucked. so i would say make sure you have a good amount of room to hang out in

just so long as everyone is cool with each other & everyone is allowed to do their own thing & possibly retreat somewhere if they need some time alone with the experience i think you’ll have a good time. hell, i spent about half of that 9 person trip alone out on the deck just having conversations in my head lol. no one was trying to force anyone into anything so everyone could just go with their own flow

i wouldn’t recommend 5g in a group setting unless you really know how shit hits you. i only do an 8th because i know semi reliably how that experience is gonna be & i know that i can typically handle myself around people at that dose. as 5g sounds like the type of experience you might wanna have alone or with just one or two close friends who can help you if shit gets too weird or who will understand if you just need to lay down in your bed for 4 hours of the trip. plus, you presumably want to enjoy the experience WITH the people you’ll be tripping with, right? social tripping is a different ballgame than tripping alone or with one other person IMO. the purposes are different, & you’ll probably find it’s less about introspection & deep spiritual work & more about camaraderie & enjoying the experience of loved ones all on this wild drug together. being social on psychedelics is really fun & i love how the ego dissolution can lead to some really intimate & beautiful sharing of love & energy between everyone there. as has been said, a safe dose for everyone will probably be 2-2.5g. if people there are experienced, then doing 3.5g might be fine. it all depends. for me, we all did an 8th bc most of us know we can handle it & the rest really wanted a full experience. it could have gone south with the wrong people for sure but everyone stayed pretty calm & just rode the wave of it all. i also tend to be “trip mom” where i can & have done some trip sitting for people while all tripping & can generally get shit taken care of even when i’m pretty fucked off the fungus. i think it’s important to have one person who either doses lower or is generally good at handling shit while tripping just to help everything go smoothly


as far as snacks go... orange juice, fruit, and chips are all solid options. i personally don’t get very hungry but i know others do. on this cabin trip i ended up cooking a pizza for everyone, but i was definitely the only person confident enough to use the oven & keep track of the timer lol. i wouldn’t recommend anything that involves heating unless you know you’d have enough composure to turn shit on & make sure it doesn’t burn lol. it’s not for everyone


as far as the APE goes... idk if you’re worried about tolerance i wouldn’t do it bc i think you’ll still have some tolerance within a week. most people seem to agree it’s about 2 weeks before the experience is more or less full blown again


sorry for this wall of text lol but i hope this helps


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Re: Group dosing experience/mazatapec [Re: hazyhorse]
    #26898390 - 08/25/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's all good.
All that you related makes perfect sense. In solo tripping, I established a list of taboo activities while stoned: don't use anything electrical, including the phone, no cooking if it involves heat or mixing stuff. I don't answer the door or the phone while stoned, besides the fact that my eyes are red, and look like I smoked a bale. No stairs, bc I'm uncoordinated...more than usual when tripping. And yeah, I can appreciate having space to be alone too.
As for the group, I know 3 of them fairly well. A father and son I have been hanging out with over the past year, and the son's gf, are trustworthy, and at least the father/son are much more experienced trippers than I. I wouldn't be surprised if there were 1 or 2 friends involved.
The scheduling of all this is pretty general, but I have 20 fresh grams of APE I harvested last night, and I'll probably do those early this evening. If the group wants to do something within a week or 2, I'll deal with a lower-key trip at the time.
As for food--chips, hummus maybe veggies, water & juice.
Thanks for the suggestions!


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Re: Group dosing experience/mazatapec [Re: seldom seen]
    #26922838 - 09/07/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)





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