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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
    #26893907 - 08/22/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Imagine if you will, a virus that targets people around the healthiest time of their life and it still circulates in our populations to this day. It's killed millions of people globally, but over all is 1/10th as deadly as the regular flu.

And the media tried their best to scare everyone see article but people didn't fall for it.
Now today, we take media fear porn hook line and sinker.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18056-swine-flu-myth-this-is-just-mild-flu-the-death-rates-are-even-lower-than-for-normal-flu/





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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26893908 - 08/22/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Corticosteroids

Cortisol and steroids.

Why use an immunosuppressive drug?




HCQ is an immunosuppressant. That’s the reason it is given to Lupus patients.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
    #26893912 - 08/22/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You will find that a lot of if not all of the damage covid can do, the flu also does.




No. The flu doesn’t cause clotting problems. A significant portion of covid patients have clotting issues.

I’d like to see the data on stroke mortality. There are otherwise asymptomatic people dropping dead from strokes and heart attacks.




Could heart disease have any link to stroke and heart attacks?

How about blood clots and heart disease?

Obesity, heart disease, stroke, heart attacks?

I keep seeing people say those obese people are high risk, along with people over 65 years of age, as well as people with autoimmune disease.

Not much talk about asthmatic people.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26893922 - 08/22/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
    #26893925 - 08/22/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

Learn to read.




Learn to copy and paste.

What am I supposed to read?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26893932 - 08/22/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Asthma


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26893944 - 08/22/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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budmanman said:
You will find that a lot of if not all of the damage covid can do, the flu also does.




No. The flu doesn’t cause clotting problems. A significant portion of covid patients have clotting issues.

I’d like to see the data on stroke mortality. There are otherwise asymptomatic people dropping dead from strokes and heart attacks.




Could heart disease have any link to stroke and heart attacks?

How about blood clots and heart disease?

Obesity, heart disease, stroke, heart attacks?

I keep seeing people say those obese people are high risk, along with people over 65 years of age, as well as people with autoimmune disease.

Not much talk about asthmatic people.




It’s revealing that pre-existing lung diseases like asthma and COPD have better outcomes than other comorbidities. covid pneumonia is very different than other types like the flu.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
    #26893952 - 08/22/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Heart attacks are strokes that affect the heart, as opposed to the brain. Any part of the body can have a loss of blood supply from clotting, but it’s the brain, heart and lungs where a clot can be acutely fatal.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
    #26893956 - 08/22/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Asthma




https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200420/asthma-may-not-be-a-major-risk-factor-for-covid-19

"April 20, 2020 - When the CDC named underlying medical conditions that might make a person vulnerable to the coronavirus, asthma made the list.

But early evidence appears to show asthma doesn’t raise the risk of getting the virus, though both conditions are lung disorders.

In New York state, the epicenter of the pandemic in the United States, state health officials posted a list of the major COVID-19 comorbidities, which means more than one disease or condition is present in a person at the same time. Hypertension and diabetes are the first two on the list. Asthma doesn’t crack the top 10.

“We’re not seeing a lot of patients with asthma,” Bushra Mina, MD, a pulmonary and critical care doctor at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, told The New York Times. Mina said obesity, diabetes and chronic heart disease are more common risk factors for coronavirus patients.""

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/coronavirus-and-asthma.html

But several months into the pandemic, medical experts say that the numbers tell a somewhat different story. “Asthma really hasn't shaken out to be a significant risk factor,” says Benjamin J. Seides, M.D., director of interventional pulmonology at Northwestern Medicine Central DuPage Hospital.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26893961 - 08/22/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
    #26893985 - 08/22/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Because Covid isn’t really a respiratory disease. It’s more of a vascular disease, and the capillaries supplying the lungs are highly involved.

This nurse has been hospitalized for five months. Two months on a ventilator. Her fingers have died and turned black due to clots.



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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
    #26893994 - 08/22/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
    #26894004 - 08/22/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

koods, that nurse looks to be a little, um, a lot over weight.

Video says she has diabetes.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
    #26894009 - 08/22/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html




I don't trust much of anything from CDC anymore after all this. In my opinion, they have been paid off to push for vaccines.

Also, why post the same link twice?

Did you forget to copy/paste?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26894021 - 08/22/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

Ice9 said:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html




I don't trust much of anything from CDC anymore after all this. In my opinion, they have been paid off to push for vaccines.

Also, why post the same link twice?

Did you forget to copy/paste?




You didn't read it the first time, thought I'd have better luck the second time.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
    #26894034 - 08/22/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wasn't sure what I was reading and still am.

What's your point? Articles have been presented showing asthma isn't a risk factor like previously presumed.

Anything else?

Nothing new otherwise.

Edit. Have you been drinking again?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26894054 - 08/22/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

Ice9 said:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html




I don't trust much of anything from CDC anymore after all this. In my opinion, they have been paid off to push for vaccines.




Paid off? It’s the Centers for DISEASE CONTROL. It’s their fucking job to push for vaccines.

I do agree that the CDC has been compromised by political influence.


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    #26894056 - 08/22/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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koods, that nurse looks to be a little, um, a lot over weight.

Video says she has diabetes.




So what?


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26894067 - 08/22/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Here, I'll help.

Stay healthy during the COVID-19 pandemic
Staying healthy during the pandemic is important. Talk to your healthcare provider about whether your vaccinations and other preventive services are up to date to help prevent you from becoming ill with other diseases.

It is particularly important for those at increased risk of severe illness, including older adults, to receive recommended vaccinations against influenza and pneumococcal disease.
Talk with your healthcare provider about maintaining preventive services like cancer screenings during the pandemic.
Remember the importance of staying physically active and practicing healthy habits to cope with stress.
If you have a medical emergency, do not delay seeking emergency care.

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Again, no information about diet or vitamins.

Stay physically active and practice healthy habits to cope with stress.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
    #26894071 - 08/22/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

HamHead said:
koods, that nurse looks to be a little, um, a lot over weight.

Video says she has diabetes.




So what?




So, diabetes is more of a risk factor than asthma. Just because that overweight nurse has asthma, doesn't mean it's a major risk factor.

She should have recognized she was in that high risk category and quarantined her self and her overweight meat vehicle until summertime, when it's safer to come outside and sweat.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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