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How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using?
#26893744 - 08/22/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good evening this is my first Liquid Culture make it 5 days ago and i can see the Mycelium Growing litte White Spots Cooool... How is the chance everything goes right this time? I take honey 4% and osmosis water sterelisit let it Cool down and Injecting Spores in it 1cc per Liquid. I hope i do it correct and the liquid is fine and clean.
How long it needs to Grow bevore i can using it? How much i need for that stuff also 1cc with mycelium ore litte bit more? Thank you
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen] 1
#26893829 - 08/22/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think you're gonna get the same answer from most people here: don't go straight MS syringe to LC. Instead use agar first.
This is for a variety of reasons but 2 of the most important are: 1. to clean the spores from contamination 2. to sector/select the best myc growth
By going straight to LC, the chances of you wasting your time with contamination is very HIGH.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: maxmush]
#26893841 - 08/22/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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What he said: go agar to LC. Mt first ever LC batch has also been at it for a little over a week now. Solution is cloudy and can see nice whispy bits floating around. Im also curious when it is a prime time to transfer it. Im not going straight to grain jars instead Im just making a bunch of LC syringes. Was gonna give it one more week but if a pro could chime in with any visual queues to look for before transferring that'd be great!
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: sendmehummus]
#26894725 - 08/23/20 03:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have my Syringe empty so hopefully it was a success without Aggar tek. I see litte White Mycelium Growing so good sign?
Can i using Agar Plates now with the LC and after that transfer to Rye Jars?
Here you see a better picture how the LC looks
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: maxmush]
#26894726 - 08/23/20 03:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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maxmush said: I think you're gonna get the same answer from most people here: don't go straight MS syringe to LC. Instead use agar first.
This is for a variety of reasons but 2 of the most important are: 1. to clean the spores from contamination 2. to sector/select the best myc growth
By going straight to LC, the chances of you wasting your time with contamination is very HIGH.
Are the plates the only think i need? I found a pack on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.de/Servoplate-C3-10413-N%C3%A4hrb%C3%B6den-Sabouraud/dp/B00CS2IQOK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=agar+platten&qid=1598173989&sprefix=Agar+p&sr=8-1
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26894728 - 08/23/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A roll of parafilm is also super handy to have to seal your plates 👍 On amazon as well. Disposable scalpels are also really useful for agar work, but Im sure you could make other tools work that can easily sterilized. I just prefer scalpels. And yes you can use your new LC on plates, in fact most ppl would tell you its a vital step of any homemade LC to test it on a plate before using it to inoculate jars. It will give you a clear picture of how clean your LC is. 😁🤞
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: sendmehummus]
#26894776 - 08/23/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That’s exactly what I was intending to do, made up 3 lme lc’s and just got all my agar supplies in today. Now I’m just deciding on which agar recipe to use. Already have lme and dextrose, or follow bod and use the water from my grains, what to do. Will use sab, but I’m trying to figure out a blower for my hepa filter, much rather do agar in a flow hood.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: dothedew69]
#26894896 - 08/23/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well you’ll need plates, a media bottle, agar and nutrients. You can use almost anything for nutes though. And a torch.
The problem with lc is that sugary liquid is the perfect environment for bacteria and mold to grow in. Your syringe will almost definitely have them inside. If even one bacteria gets into the lc it will multiply rapidly because it’s a perfect environment. That’s why spores don’t usually work for lc.
When I first started I made lc from syringe too, but I was lucky and the place I got my syringes made them extremely clean.
This is how mine looked like a week in.

You can actually see the ungerminated spores stuck in it.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: sendmehummus]
#26895016 - 08/23/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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sendmehummus said: A roll of parafilm is also super handy to have to seal your plates 👍 On amazon as well. Disposable scalpels are also really useful for agar work, but Im sure you could make other tools work that can easily sterilized. I just prefer scalpels. And yes you can use your new LC on plates, in fact most ppl would tell you its a vital step of any homemade LC to test it on a plate before using it to inoculate jars. It will give you a clear picture of how clean your LC is. 😁🤞
I don't have a pressure cooker yet also a mistake i make not buying it bevore i do anything... This one here ok https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B00HX3W2G2/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A2RU6HKNJFBS8D&psc=1
OK, than i will give the Dishes a try but i need a air box to? Normally i do the work in the bath but i know it's not optimal!
Can i use a normal syringe to suck out the Mycelium ore did i need a special needle?
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26895022 - 08/23/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Their was a TEK--and PLEASE if you remember what it was, let me know!--where one would inoculate spores straight to LC, let them germinate, then hit the LC with hydrogen peroxide to kill bacteria and any bacterial spores. In theory, the mycellium should not be killed by the H2O2, but any spores (bacterial or fungal) should be chewed up. I seem to remember using a very low concentration of sugar (1%?), letting it grow out, then blasting it with peroxide.
Does anyone remember the process for doing that? I'm asking, because I was trying to figure out how to make a mixed LC from several impressive spore prints. I've tried numerous times to go from spores straight to LC, and always ended up with cloudy, clearly unusable solutions. Bacteria water with bits of mycellium in it.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: A.k.a]
#26895039 - 08/23/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Well you’ll need plates, a media bottle, agar and nutrients. You can use almost anything for nutes though. And a torch.
The problem with lc is that sugary liquid is the perfect environment for bacteria and mold to grow in. Your syringe will almost definitely have them inside. If even one bacteria gets into the lc it will multiply rapidly because it’s a perfect environment. That’s why spores don’t usually work for lc.
When I first started I made lc from syringe too, but I was lucky and the place I got my syringes made them extremely clean.
This is how mine looked like a week in.

You can actually see the ungerminated spores stuck in it.
I blown away if my project fail again bought the 2 syringe the first was a fail but my stupidity know i make everything new but again without agar but the Syringe is maybe clean enough so my Liquid looks OK ore isn't? Bought it litte longer in the jar.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26895199 - 08/23/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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sendmehummus said: A roll of parafilm is also super handy to have to seal your plates 👍 On amazon as well. Disposable scalpels are also really useful for agar work, but Im sure you could make other tools work that can easily sterilized. I just prefer scalpels. And yes you can use your new LC on plates, in fact most ppl would tell you its a vital step of any homemade LC to test it on a plate before using it to inoculate jars. It will give you a clear picture of how clean your LC is. 😁🤞
I don't have a pressure cooker yet also a mistake i make not buying it bevore i do anything... This one here ok https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B00HX3W2G2/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A2RU6HKNJFBS8D&psc=1
OK, than i will give the Dishes a try but i need a air box to? Normally i do the work in the bath but i know it's not optimal!
Can i use a normal syringe to suck out the Mycelium ore did i need a special needle?
You should get a regular stove top pressure cooker that can go to at least 15psi. The electric ones dont work as well, but I have used an Instant Pot successfully and PC for 45min. Use a simple 4% karo (corn syrup) solution with distilled water. This is for the LC (which) you already made). I *think* using it for agar should work as well (although not ideal).
Another option is to but pre-poured agar. I am not sure if they ship to Germany (i am assuming this is where you are), but you can check with each supplier as some do send internationally.
Parafilm is best to keep them contam free and to help keep moisture content, but you can use micropore tape (3m) or any first aid paper tape as well. Use this in 2 layers. I have also used regular black electrical tape.
You will need a tool to cut the agar once it has colonized and re-introduced to the 4% LC solution. You can use an excato knife or a scalpel (amazon). You will first clean the entire tool with iso 70% let dry and then flame sterilize with a touch or even a simple lighter. This tool will also be used to cut and transfer the "clean" myc away from contams to a new agar plate. You will likely have to do this 2-3x to clean it.
Yes you will need a SAB for sure for agar work. Dont try this open air or you will be disappointed.
Steps: 1. make agar plates 2. swirl your LC mixture well and draw up the smallest amount of LC possible (1/10cc .1ml) 3. carefully open your agar plate avoiding putting your hand over it and squirt the smallest amount of LC on the agar (1-2 drops max) 3. close and seal 4. let sit at room temp (18-20c) and watch it grow out 5. when you see contams and/or healthy myc, cut the myc carefully (small piece furthest away from any contam and transfer to a new clean agar dish. 6. repeat until clean 7. use clean agar to inoculate your new freshly made LC solution of choice
Viola! clean LC ready to use in about 10-12 days
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: maxmush]
#26895286 - 08/23/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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sendmehummus said: A roll of parafilm is also super handy to have to seal your plates 👍 On amazon as well. Disposable scalpels are also really useful for agar work, but Im sure you could make other tools work that can easily sterilized. I just prefer scalpels. And yes you can use your new LC on plates, in fact most ppl would tell you its a vital step of any homemade LC to test it on a plate before using it to inoculate jars. It will give you a clear picture of how clean your LC is. 😁🤞
I don't have a pressure cooker yet also a mistake i make not buying it bevore i do anything... This one here ok https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B00HX3W2G2/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A2RU6HKNJFBS8D&psc=1
OK, than i will give the Dishes a try but i need a air box to? Normally i do the work in the bath but i know it's not optimal!
Can i use a normal syringe to suck out the Mycelium ore did i need a special needle?
You should get a regular stove top pressure cooker that can go to at least 15psi. The electric ones dont work as well, but I have used an Instant Pot successfully and PC for 45min. Use a simple 4% karo (corn syrup) solution with distilled water. This is for the LC (which) you already made). I *think* using it for agar should work as well (although not ideal).
Another option is to but pre-poured agar. I am not sure if they ship to Germany (i am assuming this is where you are), but you can check with each supplier as some do send internationally.
Parafilm is best to keep them contam free and to help keep moisture content, but you can use micropore tape (3m) or any first aid paper tape as well. Use this in 2 layers. I have also used regular black electrical tape.
You will need a tool to cut the agar once it has colonized and re-introduced to the 4% LC solution. You can use an excato knife or a scalpel (amazon). You will first clean the entire tool with iso 70% let dry and then flame sterilize with a touch or even a simple lighter. This tool will also be used to cut and transfer the "clean" myc away from contams to a new agar plate. You will likely have to do this 2-3x to clean it.
Yes you will need a SAB for sure for agar work. Dont try this open air or you will be disappointed.
Steps: 1. make agar plates 2. swirl your LC mixture well and draw up the smallest amount of LC possible (1/10cc .1ml) 3. carefully open your agar plate avoiding putting your hand over it and squirt the smallest amount of LC on the agar (1-2 drops max) 3. close and seal 4. let sit at room temp (18-20c) and watch it grow out 5. when you see contams and/or healthy myc, cut the myc carefully (small piece furthest away from any contam and transfer to a new clean agar dish. 6. repeat until clean 7. use clean agar to inoculate your new freshly made LC solution of choice
Viola! clean LC ready to use in about 10-12 days
Cool Man... Thx a lot!
Look at my Baby Mycelium looking sweet what you think? 
You say 1-2 drops of LC this mean 1-2 drops of mycelium drops? It's hard know to suck in the litte white spots so how much i need to wait bevore i can incect the lq to agar dishes? I will buy plates tomorrow and built a sterile box and working there.
I will keep Updating here but everyone else is welcome here too with there stuff.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: John in WI]
#26895292 - 08/23/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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John in WI said: Their was a TEK--and PLEASE if you remember what it was, let me know!--where one would inoculate spores straight to LC, let them germinate, then hit the LC with hydrogen peroxide to kill bacteria and any bacterial spores. In theory, the mycellium should not be killed by the H2O2, but any spores (bacterial or fungal) should be chewed up. I seem to remember using a very low concentration of sugar (1%?), letting it grow out, then blasting it with peroxide.
Does anyone remember the process for doing that? I'm asking, because I was trying to figure out how to make a mixed LC from several impressive spore prints. I've tried numerous times to go from spores straight to LC, and always ended up with cloudy, clearly unusable solutions. Bacteria water with bits of mycellium in it.
I need that TEK lol. Search it please i can buy here Peroxide with 3%
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26895457 - 08/23/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wasn't on this forum for around 8 years, and in that time I forgot what to search for! I'm thinking of messing around with it myself. To make an LC with spores directly to solution, then trying to kill bacteria/fungal spores with H2O2 afterwards. I've never had success using spores or spore solution directly to LC, regardless of how long I pressure cooked the solution. The problem (for me) is not infected LC solution--it's infected spores. Every spore print or solution are contaminated. They grow in dirty environments. Some do have some success going spores to grain, but that is very dicey too.
I'm following this thread and will try and find the peroxide tek.
It might be possible to take your mycellium solution, even if it's contaminated, and put it on agar and clean it up that way? Or perhaps you could go with your mycellium solution to PF cakes, and clean it up like that. The brown rice flour on vermiculite is supposed to give bacteria a very rough time. Something to think about.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: John in WI]
#26895471 - 08/23/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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John in WI said: I wasn't on this forum for around 8 years, and in that time I forgot what to search for! I'm thinking of messing around with it myself. To make an LC with spores directly to solution, then trying to kill bacteria/fungal spores with H2O2 afterwards. I've never had success using spores or spore solution directly to LC, regardless of how long I pressure cooked the solution. The problem (for me) is not infected LC solution--it's infected spores. Every spore print or solution are contaminated. They grow in dirty environments. Some do have some success going spores to grain, but that is very dicey too.
I'm following this thread and will try and find the peroxide tek.
It might be possible to take your mycellium solution, even if it's contaminated, and put it on agar and clean it up that way? Or perhaps you could go with your mycellium solution to PF cakes, and clean it up like that. The brown rice flour on vermiculite is supposed to give bacteria a very rough time. Something to think about.
Using h2o2 for mycology is largely outdated. Use clean innoculant via agar to inoculate your lc... Even then you want to test it before using it.
@OP Your lc doesn't look horrible. I would give it more time. Like a week or 2. Then take it to grain and put a couple drops on a couple plates to keep the culture
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: John in WI]
#26895477 - 08/23/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just a caveat: it is very frowned upon here on Shroomery to use h202 (peroxide) for anything mycology related. I personally am still interested in peroxide teks for back up purposes only and not for primary use.
OP and John in WI, the use of agar to clean spores and/or LCs in now standard procedure. I recommend NOT proceeding without this. It will actually save you time and definitely heartache.
OP your "LC" is not close to ready yet. You should wait until you see clouds or cotton ball like growths before using. Once at this stage swirl the LC very briskly to break up the myc into tiny pieces and then suck it up with a 14g-20g needle. You can get away with a 22g if your myc is broken up very well. Also next time put a glass marble or piece of broken glass before PCing to help agitate the solution. Better yet, put a magnetic stir bar in and use a stir plate. You can by these really cheap on Amazon.
Best of luck!
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: maxmush]
#26895498 - 08/23/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shit man, that double negative confused the fuck out of me for a minute
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26895519 - 08/23/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just cause it's white, doesn't mean it's myc. Agar my friend. your playing roulette.
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I realize the use of peroxide has fallen out of favor--at least on here. But I don't think it's fair to call it "outdated". Old data is still good, if it was collected carefully.
I totally agree it isn't the best way to get a good LC. Cleaning up spores on agar is the best route. But if the contamination isn't terrible, their seems to be some relevance to using peroxide. I don't do it on a routine basis, and have never tried it in grain (as some old books suggested).
But in this particular case, it doesn't seem absurd. I was thinking in my particular case, adding some of the LC/mycellium suspension to a dilute H2O2 solution, allowing it to "work" for a minute, then adding enough (sterilized) sugar solution to bring it up to maybe 2-3%. It might slow down the myc. briefly, but the sugar solution would quickly consume the left over H2O2, and their would be enough sugar left over to feed the mycellium.
Again, I agree it wouldn't be my first approach--but it isn't a stupid approach either. Acrcane maybe. Dicey, sure I would agree with that, but it isn't absurd.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: John in WI]
#26895544 - 08/23/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey man try it and let us know how it works
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: John in WI]
#26895545 - 08/23/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just sounds like adding fuel to the fire to me. The bottle isnt sterile so you shouldn't put it over your lc...
You said you havent been on the boards for 7 years. In that time nobody even suggests using it anymore. In fact, when i started 5 years ago, several trusted cultivator's suggested it has no use in the hobby
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: John in WI]
#26895558 - 08/23/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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John in WI said: I wasn't on this forum for around 8 years, and in that time I forgot what to search for! I'm thinking of messing around with it myself. To make an LC with spores directly to solution, then trying to kill bacteria/fungal spores with H2O2 afterwards. I've never had success using spores or spore solution directly to LC, regardless of how long I pressure cooked the solution. The problem (for me) is not infected LC solution--it's infected spores. Every spore print or solution are contaminated. They grow in dirty environments. Some do have some success going spores to grain, but that is very dicey too.
I'm following this thread and will try and find the peroxide tek.
It might be possible to take your mycellium solution, even if it's contaminated, and put it on agar and clean it up that way? Or perhaps you could go with your mycellium solution to PF cakes, and clean it up like that. The brown rice flour on vermiculite is supposed to give bacteria a very rough time. Something to think about.
I hope the Seller i have bought the Syringe in the Netherlands have Clean stuff i think so hopefully.. My LC looks OK to today but i fear that step also. I have lost 1 of my 6 Jars with Rye and i inject Spores direct in the jars I have success with oyster 3 years ago with that technique but maybe with that species it will fail but hope is there.
I will try the Agar method tomorrow but how much cc drops on it at this early stage? Ore waiting a week for more colognising in the LC?
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26895622 - 08/23/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Again OP, your LC isnt ready to do ANYTHING yet. When you see clouds form, thats when you can use it. You only need 1 drop of LC on the agar (.01ml). LESS is better, not more.
If you are getting impatient, this might not be the hobby for you. You can do it tomorrow, but i feel you chances aren't as good as waiting another 5-7 days.
My opinion, forget you got lucky 3 years ago with the oyster. Unlearn that lol. Move forward and use agar properly.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: maxmush]
#26895676 - 08/23/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oyster is a whole different thing too. It’s much more aggressive and contam resistant. Plus I’m pretty sure most places only sell lc to start with.
But yeah starting from spore is going to take longer because it has to germinate first. I’d wait another 4 days minimum and reassess.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: maxmush]
#26896324 - 08/24/20 02:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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maxmush said: Again OP, your LC isnt ready to do ANYTHING yet. When you see clouds form, thats when you can use it. You only need 1 drop of LC on the agar (.01ml). LESS is better, not more.
If you are getting impatient, this might not be the hobby for you. You can do it tomorrow, but i feel you chances aren't as good as waiting another 5-7 days.
My opinion, forget you got lucky 3 years ago with the oyster. Unlearn that lol. Move forward and use agar properly.
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maxmush said: Again OP, your LC isnt ready to do ANYTHING yet. When you see clouds form, thats when you can use it. You only need 1 drop of LC on the agar (.01ml). LESS is better, not more.
If you are getting impatient, this might not be the hobby for you. You can do it tomorrow, but i feel you chances aren't as good as waiting another 5-7 days.
My opinion, forget you got lucky 3 years ago with the oyster. Unlearn that lol. Move forward and use agar properly.
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maxmush said: Again OP, your LC isnt ready to do ANYTHING yet. When you see clouds form, thats when you can use it. You only need 1 drop of LC on the agar (.01ml). LESS is better, not more.
If you are getting impatient, this might not be the hobby for you. You can do it tomorrow, but i feel you chances aren't as good as waiting another 5-7 days.
My opinion, forget you got lucky 3 years ago with the oyster. Unlearn that lol. Move forward and use agar properly.
OK Cool. I have bought this on Ebay later this Day i will buy Agar and everything i need to make this professionell as possible. Cool expiriment with that will learn a lot great!
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26896458 - 08/24/20 06:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have bought agar agar than i need malt extract and yiest?
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26896534 - 08/24/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought you were just buying a stack of pre made plates off Amazon which is why I only suggested buying those simple accessories. I get pre made plates cause I only need like 25 max a year for my needs.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26896684 - 08/24/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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This the right stuff? Found only this Dry Malt extract call it "backing malt"
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26896879 - 08/24/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That should work. I omit the yiest. Make sure the plates you buy come sterile
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26897266 - 08/24/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can use lots of stuff. I guess dogfood agar used to be common. You could probably just add sugar to the agar also.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: You can use lots of stuff. I guess dogfood agar used to be common. You could probably just add sugar to the agar also.
Than i can bring the malt back for that money and take the cheaper honey I thought malt is the?
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said: That should work. I omit the yiest. Make sure the plates you buy come sterile
I hope if not i can drink them in alcohol 70%
Know the problem I don't have a pressure cooker. Can i use a normal boiling pot for the plates?
OK no yiest
Fuck i have bought unsteril plates... I check it to late idiot i am... Better send back ore can i steril them with Aclohol?
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26897387 - 08/24/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is possible to steam sterilize agar. You'll have to do some digging to find it though. I would reccamend getting a pc asap
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26897550 - 08/24/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think i will buy Glas Plates i can using them over and over again and put them in the oven so why plastic shit? How many Glas plates are recommended for litte Small mushroom cultivation expiriments?
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26897694 - 08/24/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should have at least 20 on hand.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: maxmush]
#26898052 - 08/25/20 02:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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maxmush said: You should have at least 20 on hand.
Than Plastic is recommended? I will buy 20 pack of sterile plates
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26898264 - 08/25/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey which Size the plates needs? I found steril on ebay but diffrent sizes.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26898267 - 08/25/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Any will work. I think 100mm is normal but not sure.
People use jars or little ketchup cups also.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: A.k.a]
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26899841 - 08/26/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cool, the litte Baby Mycelium Growing well... Now i understand why the steps bevore Grain are so important! Learning a lot can't wait to see the Mycelium Growing on Agar.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26900252 - 08/26/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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There you go! Thats what you want to see. You will then test and/or transfer to agar to make sure its clean.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: maxmush]
#26904600 - 08/28/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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They are bigger when it's time to jusing it? Can I transfer single baby mycelium to agar ore wait and suck parts from the mycelium in the Syringe?
This is how they looks today
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26904628 - 08/28/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Give it a nice swirl and a couple more days
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26904654 - 08/28/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yup wait a few more days and break up the mycelium by giving it a very good agitation by swirling it clockwise and then counter-clockwise (i noticed no magnetic stir bar or marble). You then suck it up with the largest gauge needle you have (16-18g recommended).
So to answer your question: dont use the entire piece of mycelium, break it up first and then use. Use only a very small drop to agar
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: maxmush]
#26904786 - 08/28/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I’ve used syringes to suck it up but it’s been a while, I switched to just opening the jar and pouring a little into the grain jar.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: A.k.a]
#26904869 - 08/28/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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My understanding is he wants to clean it up on Agar first.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: maxmush]
#26905486 - 08/29/20 05:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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maxmush said: My understanding is he wants to clean it up on Agar first.
Agar and maybe a rye grain bag not a big one to grow a few shrooms. My Agar plates arrived the next days
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: I’ve used syringes to suck it up but it’s been a while, I switched to just opening the jar and pouring a little into the grain jar.
hijacking... but, how do you manage this without spillage? I did this and my hand/jar was soaking from all the side spilling
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: WoolyMarmot]
#26905703 - 08/29/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Idk, nothing special. I’ve done it with 500ml media bottles and tall half pint jars.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: A.k.a]
#26908273 - 08/30/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is my LC ready? Looks great can't wait to inject this stuff in my Syringe I will not work with Agar i belive it is to risky to get comtam then LC but you guys maybe disagree but when it's looks good in a syringe why using extra Energie? The risk to get comtam are higher with more steps that i need in Agar. Maybe my Syringe is comtam than agar will to ok i can select clean mycelium but that steps between i don't want much work i do enough with my Plants lol... So LC is my way to go i have made the decision! When i fail my Faul.. Lot of people using this over many years with success too so.
Here is my LC today looks nice but when is ready for my Syringe to inject my rye bag? Thx
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26908282 - 08/30/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks pretty good. You could definitely use it now but you need to get that myc broken up into small pieces.
I like to swirl it fast and then change directions and swirl it the other way suddenly. It kind of makes the myc blobs explode into tiny pieces which is what you want.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: A.k.a]
#26908413 - 08/30/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Looks pretty good. You could definitely use it now but you need to get that myc broken up into small pieces.
I like to swirl it fast and then change directions and swirl it the other way suddenly. It kind of makes the myc blobs explode into tiny pieces which is what you want.
I have bought a magnetic sirere

But i need to put the magnetic in the Glas as sterile as possible than i hope it breaks the Mycelium in small pieces but i bet it will do the job. Cool than i can make my rye Grain socked today and tomorrow i will make my first bag with LC. The rest LC will Grow up again and again ore need to transfer in new LC honey solution?
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26908473 - 08/30/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26908512 - 08/30/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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you probably just contaminated your lc by putting the stir bar in it...
You are supposed to pc it in the lc... Or dont use it at all
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26908541 - 08/30/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol yeah better use it quick man before the bacteria multiplies too much.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26909038 - 08/31/20 03:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I using itQuote:
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you probably just contaminated your lc by putting the stir bar in it...
You are supposed to pc it in the lc... Or dont use it at all
Rubbing in alcohol was not enough to sterilise? Fuck it
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26909048 - 08/31/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wish me luck.. But i have another LC what i not open it again lol
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26909057 - 08/31/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shit i suck a litte bit air in the Syringe where the Mycelium is. Is this Bad ore not dramatic? Good i have made another LC so if everything goes wrong i have another opportunity.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26909099 - 08/31/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol 
Sucking air in isn’t good but it might be ok. Did you use the lc on grain yet?
Just remember that lc is very easy to contaminate. Little things that you might get away with for plates and jars will ruin lc. Everything grows much faster in liquid.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: lol 
Sucking air in isn’t good but it might be ok. Did you use the lc on grain yet?
Just remember that lc is very easy to contaminate. Little things that you might get away with for plates and jars will ruin lc. Everything grows much faster in liquid.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
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Chemical sterilization isnt a thing. Only heat can sterilize.
Alcohol only sanitizes which doesn't kill everything
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said: Chemical sterilization isnt a thing. Only heat can sterilize.
Alcohol only sanitizes which doesn't kill everything
Hopefully i have luck if not i have another LC jar ready in the next days so i do it again but without throwing something in.
My Rye bag looks litte wet but the paper towel trick have no moist maybe the LC i inject makes the moisture let see if this will work what you think?
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26909859 - 08/31/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fietchen, you are getting a lot of great advice here. Consider yourself lucky 
Just follow the steps everyone has been recommending and dont take any short cuts and you'll be fine.
The bag definitely looks sweaty, but this could also be a change in ambient temp vs the internal bag temp. When myc feeds it gives off heat. Keep an eye on it. If it doesn't start to colonize in a week, it may be contaminated.
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maxmush said: Fietchen, you are getting a lot of great advice here. Consider yourself lucky 
Just follow the steps everyone has been recommending and dont take any short cuts and you'll be fine.
The bag definitely looks sweaty, but this could also be a change in ambient temp vs the internal bag temp. When myc feeds it gives off heat. Keep an eye on it. If it doesn't start to colonize in a week, it may be contaminated.
Inside it is warmer because today i have boilt it and let it cool down in the hot water. Later this evening it was hand warm so i was ready for Injecting but next time i use a Jar with silicon ports for better safety the Bag i cut holes in and litte air is also danger so another faul maybe but i learning a lot. I hope the Bag is OK the holes are tapet and i incect good lc in it 8ml i think so the mycelium can show up quickly i hope.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26910371 - 08/31/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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8cc/ml of LC is way too much. 2-3cc/ml max. Thats why its so wet
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maxmush said: 8cc/ml of LC is way too much. 2-3cc/ml max. Thats why its so wet
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: John in WI]
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John in WI said: Or perhaps you could go with your mycellium solution to PF cakes, and clean it up like that. The brown rice flour on vermiculite is supposed to give bacteria a very rough time. Something to think about.
True story. I've had very few syringes that were clean enough to go directly to grain. I've had some syringes I wanted to clean up, but they were too bacterial, I couldn't even get them to germinate on grain or agar. All I was getting was bacterial growth. I ended up making some brown rice flower pucks, squirting a few drops on it from the syringe, and finally got some germination! I was then able to transfer a bit of myc to agar and clean it up from there.
I left those BRF pucks to colonize just for the fun of it, and they actually did fully colonize, even the most bacterial of all, and they went on to pin and grow a couple fruits in vitro, which I ended up cloning to double up on my chances of success.
But the point being is that BRF was the only thing I was able to use to get my spores to germinate. It's good stuff. 
Oddly enough though, almost all the mushrooms that grew in vitro, except for one, seemed to be sterile and never produced any spores. 
**Edit** A bit off topic I suppose as I posted this before reading the rest of the thread. My bad. Carry on.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: JoBloShow]
#26911584 - 09/01/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have always has an aversion to BRF/PF Tek for some reason. Never did try it. I do have have stubborn prints i would love to propagate. Maybe i'll give it a shot after all this time lol
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26911830 - 09/01/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looking good and i see tiny mycelium spots
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26911858 - 09/01/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't, but that grain prep looks on point. Did you buy those bags or make them?
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said: I don't, but that grain prep looks on point. Did you buy those bags or make them?
I make them with my vacuum piece and the bags
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26911978 - 09/01/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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On second thought, run me through how you prepped that grain.. Looks like they havent even been soaked
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said: On second thought, run me through how you prepped that grain.. Looks like they havent even been soaked
Soaked for 12 Hours than boiling for 10 minutes.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26912429 - 09/01/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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My fingers are crossed they don't stall 
Were they al dente?
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26913091 - 09/02/20 02:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: My fingers are crossed they don't stall 
Were they al dente?
Like my nudels hehe
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26914815 - 09/03/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow how quick that mycelium grows... Never injecting spores in grain again omg... Loosing a month ore so and money but that's wen you learning and not listening lol
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26914891 - 09/03/20 03:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep lc can be great. Just wait til you get a fast culture, Ive had quarts colonized in five days before with lc.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: Yep lc can be great. Just wait til you get a fast culture, Ive had quarts colonized in five days before with lc.
Wow... How long you think my rye will be ready? My Plan are: wait for colognising than i will make a small bag with rye and Coco maybe 1 liter than let the show Beginn. I looking for a small harvest but so cool with lc when i need shrooms i can use my LC all the time so cool.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
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How my bags looks like? I see tiny mycelium Growing my worry are the rye is to dry? How much time it takes you think for colognising complet
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: Fietchen]
#26918944 - 09/05/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It really depends. Your rye is a little dry but i prepare mine al dente as well. The drawback is slightly longer colonization times. When you see about 30% colonization give it a shake and then just let it sit until 100%.
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Re: How my Liquid Culture looks like? How long it takes bevore using? [Re: maxmush]
#26920435 - 09/06/20 03:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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maxmush said: It really depends. Your rye is a little dry but i prepare mine al dente as well. The drawback is slightly longer colonization times. When you see about 30% colonization give it a shake and then just let it sit until 100%.
But when it is to dry maybe than nothink will happens?
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