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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: psi]
#26884742 - 08/17/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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psi said: I don't know where you are getting this James Bond stuff. I disputed that Biden "nailed it", i.e. said anything substantial in the quote. From a guy running to lead the country it does not really sum up what he would do better. As political quotes go I find it pretty lackluster.
It’s a tweet. Biden’s pandemic plan is sitting on the shelf in the White House gathering dust
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: psi]
#26884747 - 08/17/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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psi said: I'm acting like the quote is not an example of Biden "nailing it", and like it does not make it clear what his plan is.
He did nail it. The bans didn’t work and we needed a plan. Still do.
https://joebiden.com/covid19/
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#26884768 - 08/17/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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budmanman said: No it is you, if we have 8.5x their population and you times their deaths by 8.5x you get 75,000. So it is the equivilent of about 50% our deaths per capita and you're making medicine?
So what I should have just said which is the equivalent of us having 75,000 deaths in the USA? And not reference what statistical formula I am using to land on that number? Maybe if I added a word such as Also take not we have 8.5x canadas population, which is the equivalent of us having 75,000 deaths in the USA using per capita.
Would that have been better?
No, you knew exactly what I meant and are using intellectual dishonesty to detract from the point I am making.
Side swiping the conversation onto an un relevant point.
I think what he was pointing out is that 75,000 deaths PER CAPITA would mean there are 26,250,000,000,000 deaths, which doesn't make sense.
I'd like to point out that according to the numbers in the graph above, America has ~45 times as many reported cases than Canada and ~19 times the number of deaths.
USA total cases:deaths ratio 5,476,266 : 171,535 = .031 CANADA total : death ratio 121,652 : 9,020 = .074 Seems like the disease is twice as bad for Canadians, or there's more than twice as many Canadians not getting tested until they die. If we had Canada's death-from-covid rate, we would have 405,243 dead people from COVID.
No. Canada’s death from covid rate is 23 per 100,000. The US is 53.
Btw, that’s a rate 12x higher than our murder rate.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#26885165 - 08/17/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If we had Canada's rate of death in perspective to reported cases, then we'd have 400,000+ cases.
This means the disease is either twice as deadly in Canada, or American's are getting tested more often than Canadians.
We have it twice as bad, but it's twice as deadly for people who catch it there based on the graph above.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#26885179 - 08/17/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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which graph are you referring to?
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted]
#26885195 - 08/17/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The one where I got these numbers
USA total cases:deaths ratio 5,476,266 : 171,535 = .031 CANADA total : death ratio 121,652 : 9,020 = .074
Sorry, the CHART. Its in this thread.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#26885245 - 08/17/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh worldometers? I pulled the most recent figures
Total Deaths/Total Cases USA: 173605/6500773 = 2.67%
Canada: 9,027/122276 = 7.38%
Deaths per 1Million
USA: 524
Canada: 239
Tests per 1Million:
USA: 215,920
Canada: 126,465
Looks like we've done a lot more testing than Canada. The rate of survival among critical cases might be a little bit better here too but I can't say.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26885267 - 08/17/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Isnt the reason obvious? The median age of cases in our second wave is 25 years lower than the first wave. Old people are stuck inside for the foreseeable future so young people can go to bars and get infected. There’s no sense of social responsibility, which is why the US has such a terrible mortality rate
Canada never had a second wave
If we had gotten the virus under control in May like the rest of the world our CFR would be stuck at 5%. But hey we’re getting those numbers better and it’s only cost us another 50,000 lives.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods] 1
#26885304 - 08/17/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fair point
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted] 2
#26885318 - 08/17/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hell if we just let everyone get infected we could get that CFR down to 1% and it wil only cost a couple million lives
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#26893085 - 08/22/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Added horomones caused infertility.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
#26893096 - 08/22/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That’s fake news.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#26893143 - 08/22/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: That’s fake news.

Is it now? I didn't know Kenya did that sort of thing.
Also, why would men be mostly left out of a vaccine program?
Pop control much?
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
#26893194 - 08/22/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bill Gates is going to die for his part in Covid/vaccination, pedophilia and global terrorism....
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: CagedApe]
#26893245 - 08/22/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You sound dangerously unhinged
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#26893254 - 08/22/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: You sound dangerously unhinged
Happy 81,000 post koods.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: CagedApe] 2
#26893258 - 08/22/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why bother arguing, HamHead and cohorts are gonna dig up the most junk journal or news article to make a (laughably wrong) point, we will point that out, and he will change the topic (move the goal posts). It's a worthless endeavor. You'd have more success convincing a lamppost it's a fire hydrant than arguing with someone who is already so invested in the out come of the argument, that they have already decided it before any facts arrived. Basically, the opposite of the empirical method and much more akin to faith based model of thinking.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#26893303 - 08/22/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
#26893309 - 08/22/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: Why bother arguing, HamHead and cohorts are gonna dig up the most junk journal or news article to make a (laughably wrong) point, we will point that out, and he will change the topic (move the goal posts). It's a worthless endeavor. You'd have more success convincing a lamppost it's a fire hydrant than arguing with someone who is already so invested in the out come of the argument, that they have already decided it before any facts arrived. Basically, the opposite of the empirical method and much more akin to faith based model of thinking.
Yet, I keep pulling article after article showing otherwise.
And what goal post are being moved? How am I changing my stance on things I post? I do my best at backing up my claims by showing other people's, many times professionals within their field, opinions.
I'm not moving yet people keep coming at me, even though each day, I'm in search of even more evidence proving those points I continually stand on.
One time I have flipped is in my own fears and understandings of Covid19. And I'm not looking back at those days full of fear and anxiety.
I towed a line while others around me had no awarness of what was going on. I wore a mask in my grocery store while a vast majority did not, supposedly during 'peak infection'. It wasn't until a governor made it mandatory that I began seeing a majority of people wearing mask, and that wasn't until after 4th of July, while our entire state has seen less than 250 average infections since this all began. Which goes to show, when there is possible punishment, people fall in line.
It's easy arguing, on both sides. I can continue to pull evidence and others who disagree and those who want to argue, can continue to tell me I'm wrong, while producing a fraction of evidence supporting their claims.
Evidence will continue to mount.
History on this internet is/has been changed and/or flat out erased.
I'm making a call for more printing presses, to make more books with words on them. Much more difficult to change physical reality compared to digital realities.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead] 1
#26893391 - 08/22/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not digging through your post history just to point out where I linked a paper contradicting what you just said, and then said it was because they did not do x,y, or z...AKA goal post moving so you can't be wrong. You've done it numerous times, you have taken journal articles that state specifically the results are not meant to be conclusive, and used them as conclusive evidence for your point, so not only do you move goal posts, you are blatantly intellectually dishonest in what you selectively carve out of the article.
See, the thing is through work I have access to all the major journal publishers, as well as to all the methodology, and I happen to work with several Virologists who can interpret the data, tell me if it was well designed experiment and anything else I need to ask. You even posted an article in which they were a contributing author, and said you completely missed missed the plot the that article as it was hyperspecific, and no conclusions about anything other than what was in the article could be inferred, but you took it and ran with it. She got a good laugh at you over it.
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