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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26893021 - 08/22/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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BTW if anybody is interested in a detailed explanation of what is known about T-cell/antibody dynamics, I posted the section of my microbiology textbook that discusses it in this post for the benefit of HamHead, should he ever decide to pull his head out of his ass.
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whether low salt or high salt is good or bad, they supposedly took the measurement and didnt publish it, which is kinda sneaky imo, and I think shit like that might happen quite often when people with a certain interest run a study
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: gopher]
#26893032 - 08/22/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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gopher said: whether low salt or high salt is good or bad, they supposedly took the measurement and didnt publish it, which is kinda sneaky imo, and I think shit like that might happen quite often when people with a certain interest run a study
Oh, I'm sure it does.
There are plenty of nutrition studies funded by institutions without conflicts of interest though.
The Nurses Health study is relatively limited in its scope and population, but it's one of the longest-running conflict-free studies out there. The government, and particularly nurses, simply want to know how to give dietary advice to sick people in order for them to be healthier. There is no ulterior motive. Whatever they investigate, they simply publish the results.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26893242 - 08/22/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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why would covid funds be the exception? id think it would be extremely naive/ignorant to think it doesnt happen with respect to covid funds.
First, tell me how you think a doctor goes about committing medicare fraud. What, specifically, do they do? Now explain to me how you think those things that they do in order to commit fraud are occurring specifically within the context of caring for covid patients.
The kind of logic you're using is akin to saying, "It would be naive to think that public defenders don't take advantage of clients since, since everyone knows lawyers take advantage of people."
I have every reason to sniff out the fact that the hospital writing my 10% reduced paychecks is actually making more money than it usually does and is just lying to all of us by saying it's losing money. If you can actually explain how the hospital might be doing that, I would love to look into it. Unfortunately, I don't think you will be able to do that, because I don't think they are lying. Prove me wrong.
why don't you look for yourself, the information is provided on government sites, why does someone have to hold your hand. no one wants to do their own homework, always letting someone else tell them. GOOGLE MEDICARE FRAUD CASES
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#26893255 - 08/22/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's a link to the office of inspector General, they prosecute medical fraud doctors selling dope and the like. https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/enforcement/criminal/
Of course no covid19 cases related fraud is listed because the audit has happened yet and won't until its under control, but I guarantee you that its happening because Healthcare is rife with fraud. open your eyes.
I really don't understand why you would think this virus would be any different
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
#26893267 - 08/22/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I need a good at home remedy for corona, i might have it atm. Not dying but lungs amd throat suffering this week, hurts to smoke weed
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
#26893269 - 08/22/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want to make something clear, my comments are my own, they have nothing to with shroomery or anyone else, mods have opinions as much as anyone else and right the right to voice those opinions. It's not my place to hold your hand and provide you with anything because you don't trust what I said, it's up to you to prove me wrong if you disagree. I obviously believe what I'm saying is truth, if you can prove otherwise, show me, if not shutup..
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
#26893273 - 08/22/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you have a point to prove, you assume the burden of proving it. You are the one who came in here making claims about a specific kind of fraud. If I make a claim and want to be taken seriously, i provide evidence to back it up without even being asked. Coming in here and throwing around speculation and then berating people for not taking time out of their lives to look for reasons to justify your speculation is possibly the most unconvincing argumentation strategy i can imagine. You cant blame anyone for suspecting you dont actually have a real basis for making these claims when all they want is a simple link to that basis. I read the entire article the one time you did post a link, which took me like 20mins bc it was quite long, and it didnt back up any of the claims you have made at all and im saying despite my doubts, i am willing to read more of what you share- if you have an interest in actually making people believe what you believe. If you dont, then just... you know... stop arguing?
Again dont take it personally when you come in here making accusations and dont just chime in saying "yeah man totally!" It is nothing personal. I just dont think the claims you are making make sense.
By the way, if i google medicare fraud i will just get information about medicare fraud. We have been over this. You made some specific claims about hospitals telling blatant lies in order to take advantage of the money being allocated for covid just to line their pockets. That is what we want you to evidence. It should be pretty simple for you to go through your history and copy and paste some links. If they exist. And even if you just pulled the speculation 100% out of your ass, you can always do what hamhead does and retroactively try to evidence the weird hill youve chosen to die on by playing a game of google confirmation bias
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I hereby speculate that some antiviral drug may beat the vaccin to the punch or come available not long after.
Tons of antivirals are in various stages of development because of HIV and the search for other antiviral activity. One of them might prove active in COVID-19.
I wouldnt be surprised if around the time we have a vaccin there'll be a drug too, but that this drug will be extremely expensive.
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#26893317 - 08/22/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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All I did initially was make a comment, wasn't trying to prove dhit, it was when feevers flat out denied that health care fraud doesn't happen because doctors and nurses wouldn't risk there license thatI started pointing things out.. I have provide links but nothing satisfies you. you even backed feevers up saying that it doesn't happen, Showed you the news article reporting in my state what is happening and you still argue. You are blind to the real world.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
#26893319 - 08/22/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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i deserve a modship
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
#26893331 - 08/22/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You keep repeating that, when the only thing I said that might even be confused with that sentiment was that in the hospital I worked at we were not incentivized to commit fraud and were well aware that we would be disciplined or fired for anything even remotely shady. In the same sentence I described how the skilled therapy departments there with high productivity rates may have been incentivized to commit what would essentially be fraud.
My comments obviously were never that fraud doesnt happen (as myself and multiple people have said about a dozen times now) it was that your conspiracy (tens of thousands for positive test results without admission) was dumb and not consistent with how fraud typically occurs.
So let me use your approach: Everything Doc says is wrong because he says all doctors are criminals and fraudsters.
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#26893332 - 08/22/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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trees said: I need a good at home remedy for corona, i might have it atm. Not dying but lungs amd throat suffering this week, hurts to smoke weed 
@morrowasted, since your the all knowing Healthcare guru, answer his question. it's more important and I'm curious to see what you recommend.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
#26893352 - 08/22/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I recommend to stop smoking weed
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#26893355 - 08/22/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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no one will ever take ur advice dude
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
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trees said: I need a good at home remedy for corona, i might have it atm. Not dying but lungs amd throat suffering this week, hurts to smoke weed 
@morrowasted, since your the all knowing Healthcare guru, answer his question. it's more important and I'm curious to see what you recommend.
Being that you've previously claimed to be a physician, shouldn't you be the one with recommendations? Shouldn't you contribute some medical knowledge to the thread instead of spinning it off topic with your conspiracies and baseless rants?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: gopher]
#26893385 - 08/22/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26893396 - 08/22/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I did not say that all doctors are criminal, you just said that. I said that they are not above committing fraud, you said that doctors and nurses wouldn't risk their licenses and I said that they do it every day. That is the jist of that conversation. Since then, several others have tried to defend your position. I did say that the fraudsters are stealing covid19 funds and that will come out time, wait and see. My whole point is that when 3 Trillion dollars in federal funding is pumped into any disaster the theives are in midst. This all started because:
1. Several of you decided that you didn't appreciate my comments about unscrupulous doctors and decided to defend something you are either blind too, know nothing about or just talking shit.
2. My initial comment was on articles in local newspapers, i posted a link from one that gave the price as ranging from $12,000 to 132 000,yes. I was wrong when I said it was 14,000-132,00.
Why do you think fraud isn't happening? I don't understand why you all are so upset that I'm pointing out something that is definitely happening. I understand that you guys working on the Frontline are having a hard time, but come on, you are obviously either so dedicated that you are blinded by what is going on, you know but don't think its as big as it really is or you're part of the problem.
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#26893402 - 08/22/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
#26893423 - 08/22/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Truly effective antiviral drugs are extremely rare.Quote:
Doc9151 said: I did not say that all doctors are criminal, you just said that. I said that they are not above committing fraud, you said that doctors and nurses wouldn't risk their licenses and I said that they do it every day. That is the jist of that conversation. Since then, several others have tried to defend your position. I did say that the fraudsters are stealing covid19 funds and that will come out time, wait and see. My whole point is that when 3 Trillion dollars in federal funding is pumped into any disaster the theives are in midst. This all started because:
1. Several of you decided that you didn't appreciate my comments about unscrupulous doctors and decided to defend something you are either blind too, know nothing about or just talking shit.
2. My initial comment was on articles in local newspapers, i posted a link from one that gave the price as ranging from $12,000 to 132 000,yes. I was wrong when I said it was 14,000-132,00.
Why do you think fraud isn't happening? I don't understand why you all are so upset that I'm pointing out something that is definitely happening. I understand that you guys working on the Frontline are having a hard time, but come on, you are obviously either so dedicated that you are blinded by what is going on, you know but don't think its as big as it really is or you're part of the problem.
I don’t think anyone is saying fraud isn’t happening. What I’ve heard is people saying that you can’t simply assume it’s happening because it’s possible. It’s like saying you’re guilty of murder because you have the capability to murder. The real question is whether there is fraud on a level that significantly skews the data. There no evidence of this at all.
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