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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: budmanman]
    #26892541 - 08/21/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That is pretty cynical cannabinated. My best friend is a chemist and he definitely told me some things that made me take a more cynical outlook on science: researchers pitching their ideas at conferences and lying about potential commercial applications to secure funding, etc.

But he himself has managed to carve out a decent path. He does research for a nonprofit that develops tech for reducing carbon emmissions in large scale power plants that use fossil fuels. He doesnt make a lot of money- about the same as I do- but he gets by just fine. He does seem really stressed out all the time, though.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26892912 - 08/22/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: SoloTrip] * 1
    #26892931 - 08/22/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Why is the media acting like developing memory t cells is this big surprise? I certainly hope t cells from other coronavirus infections are protective. I know a guy who has been living with someone actively shedding sars cov 2 since may who has never developed an infection.

Whether or not they help us achieve herd immunity is not really pertinent to how we handle it as a society though unless you wanna go the whole "it is worth it to just let hundreds of thousands of people die or develop chronic health problems in a very short period of time, so the rest of us who are lucky enough to have the right t cells already can just move on with our lives" route.

It isnt a gamble I wanna take personally, but maybe I am just too attached to my parents.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: SoloTrip]
    #26892933 - 08/22/20 05:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Epoch times is shit. I would sooner trust The Enquirer, or Weekly World News.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26892940 - 08/22/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Epoch Times has the Qanon worldview


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: cannabinated]
    #26892945 - 08/22/20 06:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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you cant trust in science when you dont know it

most science is bought and paid for anyway, scientists only get rich if they keep their mouth shut and study how to extract resources.

'science' is mostly used for evil, like creating viruses and sucking oil.

most have no morals and especially no back bone, you have to be a complete sell out if you want to get anywhere.

its the universities playing middle man for corporate jobs



This some real shit. Even in regular school the government chooses the curriculum. Essentially indoctrination camps.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26892946 - 08/22/20 06:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I read every article about herd immunity, coronavirus vaccine that comes down the pike. I don't wish to encourage anyone to act cavalier regarding the virus.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: SoloTrip]
    #26892948 - 08/22/20 06:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I ain't letting em inject me none that bs. Fuck vaccines.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26892954 - 08/22/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Epoch Times has the Qanon worldview




AND Falun Gong, which, I mean Fuck the CCP and all, but Falun Gong is a weirdo cult.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26892965 - 08/22/20 06:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You could just be a decently healthy human being then you wouldn't have to worry about any of this shit in the first place. I already have the antibodies. the reason America has been hit so hard isn't a lack of healthcare infrastructure, it's the plain fact that vast majority of people here are essentially brain dead and overall unhealthy humans. That's all they know.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26892971 - 08/22/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oh i agree that epochtimes is a shit media outlet, but the notion that if it turns out a lot of us have memory t cells for other coronaviruses that produce antibodies that work against sars cov 2, we are closer to herd immunity isnt really that controversial.

It is several ifs, but it wont be enormously surprising if it does turn out to be the case. Nevertheless, like i said, there are clearly many millions of people without these t cells and going the "we are gonna gamble on those ifs" route amounts to saying "sorry, millions of people. There is nothing we can do to help ya." Which is just not correct. Just wear your damn masks correctly and wash your hands and dont hang out in crowds for a while, yall. Not that complicated. Get into reading. Ive read more books since this all happened than I had read in the last 3 or 4 years combined. Im actually reading a really good fiction book called Pandemic written in 2017 by AG Riddle. His style is kinda like a mix between michael Crichton and dan brown with a dash of clive cussler


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26892973 - 08/22/20 06:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You could just be a decently healthy human being then you wouldn't have to worry about any of this shit in the first place. I already have the antibodies. the reason America has been hit so hard isn't a lack of healthcare infrastructure, it's the plain fact that vast majority of people here are essentially brain dead and overall unhealthy humans. That's all they know.


i mean yes there are things people can do to reduce their risk. The biggest is to lose weight. But my understanding is that the human epigenome indicates we are really only set up to live around 40 years. A lot of folks get really sick simply because theyve been living a long time and their immune system doesnt work well anymore. I am personally not prepared to return to a society where we all just expect to die at 40


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26892974 - 08/22/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)


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Epoch Times has the Qanon worldview




AND Falun Gong, which, I mean Fuck the CCP and all, but Falun Gong is a weirdo cult.


curious why you say thay. I dont know much about except that china apparently kills them and harvests their organs


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26892975 - 08/22/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

There’s not an insignificant number of younger people that need to be hospitalized. It’s not just deaths.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26892980 - 08/22/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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There’s not an insignificant number of younger people that need to be hospitalized. It’s not just deaths.



Yeah but my anecdote is that almost everyone under 50 being hospitalized had something going on. Most are obese and/or have diabetes. Some have cancer are immunosuppressed. There are rare exceptions. Regardless I dont think hundreds of thousands of people "deserve to be sacrificed for the good of the economy" simply because they are old, fat, have cancer, etc. :shrug:

Edit: for example if a virus suddenly emerged that mostly targeted drug users, a lot of people would say "fuck it let em die". I dont agree with that either. Maybe my heart is just too big


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26892987 - 08/22/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This is the kind of shit that has been responsible for the terrible federal response



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26892991 - 08/22/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Epoch Times has the Qanon worldview




AND Falun Gong, which, I mean Fuck the CCP and all, but Falun Gong is a weirdo cult.


curious why you say thay. I dont know much about except that china apparently kills them and harvests their organs





Well, for one, I bought a copy of the Falun Gong book back in the day when they were just starting to gain attention. It was a spiritual pyramyd scheme. It gave you instructions to do some poses that would draw energy from the source, who was some dude who was the final Boss of falun gong or something and then anybody that you recruit, more energy would flow through you from the source to them, and you would get to keep a part of that energy and everybody they recruited, and everybody they recruited, etc...

And for two, they promote Qanon and Fascism.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26892999 - 08/22/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Weird. Thanks.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26893003 - 08/22/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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That is pretty cynical cannabinated. My best friend is a chemist and he definitely told me some things that made me take a more cynical outlook on science: researchers pitching their ideas at conferences and lying about potential commercial applications to secure funding, etc.

But he himself has managed to carve out a decent path. He does research for a nonprofit that develops tech for reducing carbon emmissions in large scale power plants that use fossil fuels. He doesnt make a lot of money- about the same as I do- but he gets by just fine. He does seem really stressed out all the time, though.





Im not well versed on how  it works, but its pretty easy to think most research is done by the companies that have the money to do it, and they skew the results to sell their product, whatever it maybe, surpress results that they dont agree with, for example theres a study that looked at the effects of low salt and high salts diet, their preconceived notion is that salt bad, they took heart rate measurements according to a guy who was involved but they never published those results, its now known that low salt diets increase heart rate, but that didnt jive with the message they wanted to sell, so they never published the heart rate measurements


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: gopher]
    #26893017 - 08/22/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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That is pretty cynical cannabinated. My best friend is a chemist and he definitely told me some things that made me take a more cynical outlook on science: researchers pitching their ideas at conferences and lying about potential commercial applications to secure funding, etc.

But he himself has managed to carve out a decent path. He does research for a nonprofit that develops tech for reducing carbon emmissions in large scale power plants that use fossil fuels. He doesnt make a lot of money- about the same as I do- but he gets by just fine. He does seem really stressed out all the time, though.





Im not well versed on how  it works, but its pretty easy to think most research is done by the companies that have the money to do it, and they skew the results to sell their product, whatever it maybe, surpress results that they dont agree with, for example theres a study that looked at the effects of low salt and high salts diet, their preconceived notion is that salt bad, they took heart rate measurements according to a guy who was involved but they never published those results, its now known that low salt diets increase heart rate, but that didnt jive with the message they wanted to sell, so they never published the heart rate measurements



that's why it's helpful to be able to look at conflicts of interest.

In any case, I would've guessed that law salt intake correlated with a higher heart rate just intuitively based on my understanding of its function as an electrolye. the most salt you have in your bloodstream, the more water you retain in your blood stream- water flows toward salt. this is a well established fact, and the reason we give "hypertonic" (fluids higher in salt than what is found in the bloodstream) when we want to pull water out of organs like the brain and back into the bloodstream.

the more fluid you have in your bloodstream, the higher your blood pressure. when your blood pressure is high, it's easier for the fluid to diffuse across the capillary membrane. thus, the organs are perfused more easily per given quantity of blood. this is also a well-established fact, and it's why we give isotonic fluids to septic patients- to increase their blood pressure, since their blood vessels are very dilated.

when your blood pressure is lower, your heart beats faster to help perfuse your organs, since a given quantity of fluid provides less perfusion at lower pressures.

there are conditions for which eating more salt than the typically recommended amount is advisable, and there are conditions for which eating less salt than the typically recommended amount is advisable. this is why it's helpful to have a background in physiology and pathophysiology when you're trying to effectively implement the conclusions of nutrition studies. people without that background have a tendency to see results of a study and generalize them in a "one-size-fits-all" dietary approach. they may also engage in fallacious by invoking faulty premises like "having a lower resting heart rate is necessarily better for any given person" to conclude that everyone would be better off if they ate more salt.


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