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Buster_Brown
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What's Your (great, homogenous) View...
#26892747 - 08/22/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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"...all philological activities should be enclosed and surrounded by a philosophical view of things, in which everything individual and isolated is evaporated as something detestable, and in which great homogeneous views alone remain.”
(Nietzsche, Complete Works Vol 3. 169.)
("Detestable" perhaps connoting more in translation than meant in the original)
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26892791 - 08/22/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote by Robert Anton Wilson: “Reality is what you can get away with.”
The Robert Anton Wilson website
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26892806 - 08/22/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds fancy, the translation maybe an added problem.. So what about this, ambiguous statement, as it is now worded, strikes you as worthy of your time?
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: laughingdog]
#26892816 - 08/22/20 02:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Did Neech come up with such a view or is he talking about an ideal? To me this approach makes sense especially in his time. I think we have much more found a homogenous philosophical view of things which surrounds our philosophies nowadays. This was affected by the discoveries in natural sciences.
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: laughingdog]
#26892823 - 08/22/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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laughingdog said: ... worthy of your time?
That strikes me as recursive to the 'Happiness as of secondary importance' idea.
I ran across this:
"Change and happiness are not mutually exclusive; on the contrary, as Heraclitus insists, this is what makes the game of life delightful."
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26892834 - 08/22/20 02:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not sure what to make of your statements guys; they strike me as word salad. But, I could just be too dumb for such refined abstractions; or they could indeed be collections of so many undefined and ambiguous words and phrases that every reader interprets the 'meaning' differently, even perhaps without realizing they are doing so.
Who knows? perhaps others may find some traction? Where I fail to.
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: laughingdog]
#26892839 - 08/22/20 03:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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laughingdog said: words and phrases that every reader interprets the 'meaning' differently,
That's the beauty of Tao, isn't it...Requiring a broad philosophical interpretive intuition?
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26893202 - 08/22/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26893415 - 08/22/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Perhaps there are levels of entrapping experience where Frederick is saying that there must be an umbrella perspective that covers one's big picture. Without it we succumb to a never ending series of moments where ambiguity rules because the interpretation isn't framed in a larger context.
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26893478 - 08/22/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Excuse me, who's Frederick?
Never mind, I figured it out.
Edited by Buster_Brown (08/22/20 12:19 PM)
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26893491 - 08/22/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yellow Pants said: Perhaps there are levels of entrapping experience where Frederick is saying that there must be an umbrella perspective that covers one's big picture. Without it we succumb to a never ending series of moments where ambiguity rules because the interpretation isn't framed in a larger context.
I haven't been able to solve ambiguity.
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26893527 - 08/22/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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what is "philological" in the first line of the first post?
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: redgreenvines]
#26893651 - 08/22/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Classical literature
study of both ancient literature and ancient history
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26893666 - 08/22/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Buster_Brown said:
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Yellow Pants said: Perhaps there are levels of entrapping experience where Frederick is saying that there must be an umbrella perspective that covers one's big picture. Without it we succumb to a never ending series of moments where ambiguity rules because the interpretation isn't framed in a larger context.
I haven't been able to solve ambiguity.
Why ?
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26893714 - 08/22/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A powerful spell prevents him from doing so.
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26893835 - 08/22/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: open secrets
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The Blind Ass said: A powerful spell prevents him from doing so.
The Bible can be ambiguous. One of the ambiguities is the topic of witchcraft.
In Genesis 30 Jacob apparently uses magic to gain the advantage, and in Exodus 22 we are advised to terminate all witches.
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26894039 - 08/22/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The sky is green usually. But it was blue yesterday.
This is purple
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26894046 - 08/22/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can't you just say that symbolism can be manipulated in meaning because it's not material and measurable...
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26894758 - 08/23/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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But what if the material and measurable could be symbolic with manipulated meanings...A Woody Allen reality at your fingertips.
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26895034 - 08/23/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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an idea that even though we see the sun and are blue that life is bad
only now I am starting to think of time as inherently good
before I understood it indirectly from that it gets it worse from dying
like being there
at age 23
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Ferdinando]
#26895036 - 08/23/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh I mean understanding it directly
because of sun and blue and these are part of time so directly
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26895360 - 08/23/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buster_Brown said: But what if the material and measurable could be symbolic with manipulated meanings...A Woody Allen reality at your fingertips.
I'm a bit unsure. Are you saying that the material is inherently, inevitably, symbolic?
If you are saying that the material could be symbolic I agree. The only way around ambiguity I suppose would be to battle against it. The world will always make it ambiguous but on a personal level I think we can be clear.
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26895569 - 08/23/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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the only meaningful thing from woody allen is when he said:
"wheat!"
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26895683 - 08/23/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yellow Pants said:
If you are saying that the material could be symbolic I agree. The only way around ambiguity I suppose would be to battle against it. The world will always make it ambiguous but on a personal level I think we can be clear.
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Buster_Brown said: One might view the values of those who foster both paths in B.A's tale as being ambiguous.
Perhaps the paths of both the assassin and the pacifist can be considered one in Zen, I don't know. Can you feed both wolves?
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26895838 - 08/23/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think both wolves are hungry. The assassin may be heroic doing away with evil where the pacifist sits by idly as the world burns for the worst. Perhaps both are Zen. Assassination as Zen. Interesting.
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26896537 - 08/24/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buster_Brown said: "...all philological activities should be enclosed and surrounded by a philosophical view of things, in which everything individual and isolated is evaporated as something detestable, and in which great homogeneous views alone remain.”
(Nietzsche, Complete Works Vol 3. 169.)
("Detestable" perhaps connoting more in translation than meant in the original)
I think what F.N may be getting at is the egoistic drive behind the individual philosophical views, and in turn suggests that the homogeneous view approach be the only pure one.
Because that is the type of approach that we will make the most progress with. Unlike the individual, random, ambiguous ideals which halter spiritual and intellectual progress. I.E - oppressive Religion.
Edited by seraphnz (08/24/20 10:21 AM)
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Re: What's Your (great, homogenous) View... [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26896546 - 08/24/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The universe has a strange way of balancing things out.
Yin and Yang come to light when the lamb and wolf fight.
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