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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: nooneman] 3
#26893340 - 08/22/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: There are three: male, female, and the often forgotten intersex (which is a person who is born with the genitalia and other biology of both genders).
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#26893380 - 08/22/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: nooneman] 1
#26893545 - 08/22/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: There are three: male, female, and the often forgotten intersex (which is a person who is born with the genitalia and other biology of both genders).
No just no
Intersex is not a gender identity, its a medical diagnosis/condition.
"Intersex people are individuals born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies"."
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: Niffla]
#26893678 - 08/22/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with Alexa, she has the right definition of the abstract concept of "gender".
I also found this website quite insightful but also confusing as well (from the 81 gender list): https://apath.org/63-genders/
So for me, Im Culturally Male, with a Personality on the Female gender specturm and Im Attracted to Culturally Females on the Female Gender Spectrum.
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26893693 - 08/22/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So you're saying you're an effeminent man, correct?
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#26893733 - 08/22/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cosmic_Flame said: according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies"."
I notice that you're quoting a politician. Do you have any comparable quotes from scientists? Isn't this akin to taking Trump's advice on fighting Coronavirus?
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: Srirachi]
#26893834 - 08/22/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That quote is directly from the intersex wiki page but here's some more.
"Intersex is a group of conditions where there is a discrepancy between the external genitals and the internal genitals (the testes and ovaries). The older term for this condition is hermaphroditism. Although the older terms are still included in this article for reference, they have been replaced by most experts, patients and families. Increasingly, this group of conditions is being called disorders of sex development (DSDs)."
"Intersex is a general term used for a variety of conditions in which a person is born with a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t seem to fit the typical definitions of female or male. For example, a person might be born appearing to be female on the outside, but having mostly male-typical anatomy on the inside. Or a person may be born with genitals that seem to be in-between the usual male and female types—for example, a girl may be born with a noticeably large clitoris, or lacking a vaginal opening, or a boy may be born with a notably small penis, or with a scrotum that is divided so that it has formed more like labia. Or a person may be born with mosaic genetics, so that some of her cells have XX chromosomes and some of them have XY."
Source: https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001669.htm https://isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex/
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#26893854 - 08/22/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Or a person may be born with mosaic genetics, so that some of her cells have XX chromosomes and some of them have XY."
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#26893870 - 08/22/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cosmic_Flame said:
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nooneman said: There are three: male, female, and the often forgotten intersex (which is a person who is born with the genitalia and other biology of both genders).
No just no
Intersex is not a gender identity, its a medical diagnosis/condition.
"Intersex people are individuals born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies"."
I hate to say it but whether or not you are technically correct, I think you may be doing more harm than good if what you want to do is change anyone's mind.
Most people can agree that if there are more than 2 sexes, then it makes sense to accept that there are more than 2 genders, I would guess. Is it not probably true for a majority of those who do not identify with one gender or the other would, if you investigated their biological histories, they actually belong to the biological category of intersex? The loosest definitions, anyway -the ones that include extreme hormonal deviations from the norm, for example
Many people don't want "social progressives" to redefine the language they know and love. I don't care, language is as language does. Doesn't bother me at all. I can imagine how it might though, in either direction, if my circumstances were different.
But if you want to change these peoples' minds about whether there is a rational basis for creating more than 2 gender categories, then acknowledging the biological truth of intersexuality and how common it actually is is probably the best way to go about it.
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: morrowasted]
#26893899 - 08/22/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't like black people saying "nigga" to each other. To me that seems the wrong approach.
I am however secure in the knowledge that thats absolutely none of my business and that they can bloody well do what they like with it without me trying to act as a referee over something that's inherently theirs to decide on.
I guess its the same with gender. I'm a man who feels like a man and looks like a man. Not all have that luxury, for reasons biological and otherwise. And how they deal with their thing is exactly none of my goddamn business so I stay out of it.
My best friend who died last week had ALS. In the early years he had to fight an upohill battle because doctors at the timeb did not believe it was a thing on the biological level and that it was "between the ears". Years later of getting NO disability pay did the medics accept ALS as a valid physical disease and only then was his suffering validated as "genuine"
Fibromyalgia, the atrocious muscle pain disease? Same thing. They used to think it was mental until finally it was demonstrated it was biological after all.
Fuck that!
And thats exactly whats happening with trans and other people, they get told they are mentally confused and a few years later it turns out that -TADAAA!- it is a thing after all.
I choose to believe them now.
Gender identity, note the identity part is not a binary syatem of a 1 or a 0.
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: morrowasted]
#26893903 - 08/22/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm simply reiterating what's current by posting the most up to date definition. There's a distinct difference between gender identity and biological sex. The term for a third gender is technically non binary. I purposely left that out since the point of my post was to show that intersex has nothing to do with gender in itself. Its complex physical medical conditions. When it comes to gender, its extremely complicated. I don't think I need to get into forced surgeries, medical malpractice, and other serious problems surrounding the topic. Point is intersex people are sometimes incorrectly assigned a gender, sometimes the Drs are correct but they're always assigned male or female, not a "third gender". On the flipside there are efforts being made to add non binary or intersex status to legal identification however its pretty controversial atm.
Anyways people in general, even medical professionals are woefully ignorant about intersex people and their experiences. Its why I was simply posting the definition, trying to add some factual discussion here rather than just personal opinion.
People at the end of the day are going believe what they want either way. If me posting relevant educational information changes someone's mind awesome but I'm not on some crusade to enforce people to change accordingly.
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#26894271 - 08/22/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Siri is the Apple version of Alexa. I have this nurse friend that I hang out with after hours. She would try to get Siri to talk dirty but she never would.
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Re: Amazon Alexa says there is no definite way to say how many genders actually exist. [Re: Brian Jones]
#26894287 - 08/22/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am other kin gender.
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