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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26892098 - 08/21/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have nothing to benefit from making shit up, those whom have gotten to know me here on shroomery can tell you I'm not about talking nonsense or trying to cause discord. 

As someone whom is also  passionate about medicine and has extensive hands-on experience in multiple areas of Healthcare due to my military service and moonlighting in civilian practice, I have seen things that make me cringe.  Doctors are people and have the same weaknesses as everyone else, most are given more credit and in some cases power than they deserve, simply, because they have MD at the end of their name as if they are of higher morality than everyone else. kind of like the way everyone wants to believe that preachers, Chaplins, priest and the like are put on a pedestal and believed by most people to be of a higher moral standing. When in fact they commit the same sins as everyone else and are capable of unspeakable things,  but folks don't want to think of their priest or doctors in that light, they want to believe that they are good people simply because they are a doctor or person of religious authority.

Where do I get my information? From multiple sources, some comes directly from HHS (HealthandHumanServices)0, some from colleagues who are still practicing, News/press releases, etc. I love information, can't get enough.

So far, 3 Trillion dollars has been allocated,  not counting 25 billion they are asking for in the 2nd covid19 stimulus.  This isnt all for hospitals but the majority of it is for the medical community. When there is that much federal money involved the thieves are there. It will be 20+years before the audit is completed and that's only for what has already been allocated and if you think I'm exaggerating just ask anyone familiar with GSA (General Services Administration).


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26892105 - 08/21/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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why would doctors risk their career and freedom to push opiates? MONEY đź’°



Still waiting on the links




Lol read a newspaper you dont need links:lol:

It's way to long to detail but my father is proof that doctors hand out painkillers like skittles for no reason other than it makes someone money. AND prescribed him narcan just in case. Lol fuckin wut. Gee. A fat guy who's too stubborn to loose weight has 600+ 2mg dilauded for fat guy complications:stonedjerk:



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: mushboy]
    #26892114 - 08/21/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Florida was the pill mill capital for over 10 yrs and there are many many Doctors in prison right now because of opiates.


@mushboy,  tell your old man to take his name of the prescription bottle before throwing it away. I  have a friend that was killed about 15yrs ago because an inmate working at the land fill found his bottle and told someone,  they beat him to death for his pills.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26892119 - 08/21/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Anyone know of a source on this graph? Interesting if accurate.

edit: I just noticed it's at the bottom of the graph. I'm going to dig into this a little more when I get a chance.



When people weren't going out causes of death besides covid declined radically, especially accidents. Many people were driving or working so there was no opportunity to die of those things.

I suspect a lot of it also has to do with the fact that the most vulburable people who were already living with deadly chronic diseases like cancer, heart disease, etc represent most covid deaths. So instead of dying in the next couple months of their preexisting condition they died when they caught covid earlier this year and didnt have a chance to add to the deaths that were deemed to be due to chronic disease.

That graph doesn't really surprise me.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26892123 - 08/21/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It doesn't help that in the beginning testing was flawed and any past coronavirus infection showed up as covid19,  it took about a month or two for them to fix it.

Edit: the common cold is coronavirus


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26892129 - 08/21/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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@mushboy,  tell your old man to take his name of the prescription bottle before throwing it away.




Always a good idea but he now lives in 24hr assisted care. Because he refused to loose weight. No other health issues at all. He just.. and I quote .. 'didnt feel like stop eating'

Now hes a opiate junkie because doctors told him it's ok. Take these for that back pain..ignore your life choices regarding your health.. just keep taking these. Heres some narcan just in case.. and here take more pills.

Fucking criminal.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #26892130 - 08/21/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just Think, if this virus wasn't politicized, we wouldn't be having these issues, It would have been stopped back in March


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26892135 - 08/21/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Just Think, if this virus wasn't politicized, we wouldn't be having these issues, It would have been stopped back in March



I dont see any way this could have been stopped.

Even if you shut down international travel right away, citizens who are abroad still need to be allowed to come back. and we don't know which countries had already had their first cases by the time we even noticed the virus.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26892155 - 08/21/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Anyone know of a source on this graph? Interesting if accurate.

edit: I just noticed it's at the bottom of the graph. I'm going to dig into this a little more when I get a



Number of actual deaths in New York State not including New York City or the week ending on that date. Third number is the expected number of deaths (average)

3,748 April 25, 2020 1,929 + Data in recent weeks are incomplete. Only 60% of death 4,474 April 18, 2020 1,953 + Data in recent weeks are incomplete. Only 60% of death 4,673 April 11, 2020 1,965 + Data in recent weeks are incomplete. Only 60% of
3,774 April 4, 2020 1,982 + Data in recent weeks are incomplete. Only 60% of death 2,549 March 28, 2020 1,987 + Data in recent weeks are incomplete. Only 60% of 2,134 March 21, 2020 1,996 + Data in recent weeks are incomplete. Only 60% 1,984 March 14, 2020 2,024 Data in recent weeks are incomplete. Only 60% of 2,073 March 7, 2020 2,037 Data in recent weeks are incomplete. Only 60% of death

25418                                            15873

There were 9,600 extra deaths in New York State during that period. There have been 10,400 covid deaths in NYS For the entire pandemic. (The CDC separates NYS from NYC in its mortality reporting. If your source uses data for the entire state of New York, you have to remove Kings, Queens, Bronx and Manhattan counties data to compare to CDC data)

Your chart is completely wrong. It understates the total number of deaths this year, and it overstates the covid deaths. In reality the number of excess deaths is almost exactly the same as covid deaths, leaving the number of other causes the same as last year


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26892157 - 08/21/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Just Think, if this virus wasn't politicized, we wouldn't be having these issues, It would have been stopped back in March



I dont see any way this could have been stopped.

Even if you shut down international travel right away, citizens who are abroad still need to be allowed to come back. and we don't know which countries had already had their first cases by the time we even noticed the virus.



that's not true, it could have been halted, Democrats sued the President in the beginning everytime he tried to do something and it's because of delays caused by those cases that it got out of hand in the 1st place. Democrats cried about the President saying he's a racist or xenophobe because he tried to restrict international travel,  it took 9ver a month before travelers returning from areas with the virus were quarantined on cruise ships, military bases and the like.  It could have been arrested way sooner.

As a matter of fact it's still being politicized and will be for another two + months. Then we will see things start changing but until then the left is still going to be pushing their fear agenda.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151] * 2
    #26892164 - 08/21/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Democrats sued the President in the beginning everytime he tried to do something and it's because of delays caused by those cases that it got out of hand in the 1st place




List the suits democrats brought against the president concerning covid please, because you’re full of shit. That is totally made up.

Off the top of my head, the only legal action taken against the administration concerning covid response in the first month or two was when Alabama didn’t want to house quarantined passengers.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26892193 - 08/21/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Just Think, if this virus wasn't politicized, we wouldn't be having these issues, It would have been stopped back in March



I dont see any way this could have been stopped.

Even if you shut down international travel right away, citizens who are abroad still need to be allowed to come back. and we don't know which countries had already had their first cases by the time we even noticed the virus.



that's not true, it could have been halted, Democrats sued the President in the beginning everytime he tried to do something and it's because of delays caused by those cases that it got out of hand in the 1st place. Democrats cried about the President saying he's a racist or xenophobe because he tried to restrict international travel,  it took 9ver a month before travelers returning from areas with the virus were quarantined on cruise ships, military bases and the like




Trump announced his Chinese travel ban around the 25th of January and people started being quarantined on military bases three days later. Are you intentionally trying to deceive people or are you just extremely misinformed about things? I find it disturbing you say you’re a doctor, yet you peddle conspiracy theories and aren’t too terribly grounded by actual facts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/us/coronavirus-americans-evacuate.html


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] * 1
    #26892194 - 08/21/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Here a link that gives an idea of the price being charged. keep in mind, this only for the test, doesn't matter if its positive or not.  This price doesn't count all the other cost facilities can add.

Medicare is the only one with fixed pricing,  for some its set by their insurance and the uninsured get fucked.

I really don't care if you believe me or not,  it's a fact that the system is being extorted. robbed, whatever you want to call it.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid-19-test-prices-and-payment-policy/

edit: Those prices are only from 79 facilities that reported. It all depends upon how bill8ng writes it up and you can bet your ass that they will maximize profits


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26892200 - 08/21/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I can't help you want to think that health care isn't crooked because it is. Just because I'm in the profession doesn't mean that I can't see what's wrong with it.


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    #26892212 - 08/21/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Democrats sued the President in the beginning everytime he tried to do something and it's because of delays caused by those cases that it got out of hand in the 1st place




List the suits democrats brought against the president concerning covid please, because you’re full of shit. That is totally made up.

Off the top of my head, the only legal action taken against the administration concerning covid response in the first month or two was when Alabama didn’t want to house quarantined passengers.




Don't bother asking Doc for links or proof, apparently it's fine when mods just repeatedly make shit up in what's supposed to be a reality-based thread. And I believe he said he's a physician assistant (after previously claiming to be a physician), so not a doctor unless there's another degree he hasn't mentioned.


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    #26892215 - 08/21/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I have nothing to benefit from making shit up, those whom have gotten to know me here on shroomery can tell you I'm not about talking nonsense or trying to cause discord. 





Neither do we. I make an hourly wage. One that is less than it used to be, because there isnt as much money to go around anymore.

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As someone whom is also  passionate about medicine and has extensive hands-on experience in multiple areas of Healthcare due to my military service and moonlighting in civilian practice, I have seen things that make me cringe.  Doctors are people and have the same weaknesses as everyone else, most are given more credit and in some cases power than they deserve, simply, because they have MD at the end of their name as if they are of higher morality than everyone else. kind of like the way everyone wants to believe that preachers, Chaplins, priest and the like are put on a pedestal and believed by most people to be of a higher moral standing. When in fact they commit the same sins as everyone else and are capable of unspeakable things,  but folks don't want to think of their priest or doctors in that light, they want to believe that they are good people simply because they are a doctor or person of religious authority.


skepticism of medicine is a bigger societal problem than excessive trust in it. Either way, none of what you just said evidences that fraud is being committed with respect to covid funds
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Where do I get my information? From multiple sources, some comes directly from HHS (HealthandHumanServices)0, some from colleagues who are still practicing, News/press releases, etc. I love information, can't get enough.


it should be easy for you to link me then. Coincidentally, I may not be a doctor, but I am currently practicing. In the hospital setting, doctors dont even deal with case managers. The way it typically works is that since the nurses are always in physical proximity to their patients, they keep track of the various services being rendered to the patient: what the doctors do, what the various therapists do, what the social workers do. Each extended-stay unit has a case manager.  about halfway through the shift, the case manager meets with each nurse on the unit to discuss each patient. The point is to try to get the patient discharged before the money allocated by the insurance company for that patients treatment runs out. We have a chart that outlines what their DRG is, how many days they have been approved to stay for based on that DRG and their insurance provider, how long they have been there. The final column are the barriers to exit. The nurse reports to the case manager what services have been rendered to the patient since the last case management session. This information is cross referenced against the set of services the patient needs to have rendered. The case manager then coordinates with the rest of the treatment team to ensure that those services are rendered in a manner that is timely enough for the patient to be discharged before their funds run out. If the patieny has to stay past the number of days approved, the hospital has to eat the cost of that stay.

I work specifically with covid patients for abour 3 out of every 4 shifts at the moment; the rest i am in the ER which functions differently since they patients are in it for less than a day. On med surg, rehab, oncology, covid, etc units, The length of stay and money allocated depend on different factors such as whether the patient is being ventilated and comorbid conditions. The amount of money provided to the hospital for the average covid19 patient on a vent covers approximately a 2 week stay. Very few covid patients on vents are discharged in under 2 weeks. Therefore, the hospital on average loses money for each covid patient admitted who requires ventilation.

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So far, 3 Trillion dollars has been allocated,  not counting 25 billion they are asking for in the 2nd covid19 stimulus.  This isnt all for hospitals but the majority of it is for the medical community. When there is that much federal money involved the thieves are there. It will be 20+years before the audit is completed and that's only for what has already been allocated and if you think I'm exaggerating just ask anyone familiar with GSA (General Services Administration).


i will that i do not know much at all about what the government is doing with money. If there is a fixed amount of money to go around, i would guess it is being used to help hospitals stay afloat despite the fact that they are losing a lot of money on covid treatment. But again, if you would provide links to the material you are claiming to base your speculation on, i would happily read it and try to become even more informed.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26892223 - 08/21/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Either way, none of what you just said evidences that fraud is being committed with respect to covid funds





why would covid funds be the exception?  id think it would be extremely naive/ignorant to think it doesnt happen with respect to covid funds.

i guess corruption knows to stay six feet from covid.


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    #26892237 - 08/21/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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why would covid funds be the exception?  id think it would be extremely naive/ignorant to think it doesnt happen with respect to covid funds.


First, tell me how you think a doctor goes about committing medicare fraud. What, specifically, do they do? Now explain to me how you think those things that they do in order to commit fraud are occurring specifically within the context of caring for covid patients.


The kind of logic you're using is akin to saying, "It would be naive to think that public defenders don't take advantage of clients since, since everyone knows lawyers take advantage of people." 

I have every reason to sniff out the fact that the hospital writing my 10% reduced paychecks is actually making more money than it usually does and is just lying to all of us by saying it's losing money. If you can actually explain how the hospital might be doing that, I would love to look into it. Unfortunately, I don't think you will be able to do that, because I don't think they are lying. Prove me wrong.


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    #26892239 - 08/21/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Democrats sued the President in the beginning everytime he tried to do something and it's because of delays caused by those cases that it got out of hand in the 1st place




List the suits democrats brought against the president concerning covid please, because you’re full of shit. That is totally made up.

Off the top of my head, the only legal action taken against the administration concerning covid response in the first month or two was when Alabama didn’t want to house quarantined passengers.




Don't bother asking Doc for links or proof, apparently it's fine when mods just repeatedly make shit up in what's supposed to be a reality-based thread. And I believe he said he's a physician assistant (after previously claiming to be a physician), so not a doctor unless there's another degree he hasn't mentioned.


He isn't a PA, he said he "wants to be a PA." I'm guessing he did something for the military like work as a phlebotomist or other tech of some kind. If it were anything he were willing to use as a basis for argument from authority, he would have stated what it was without being so vague.

He can't be anything that involves a significant amount of real medical education. Just look at this:

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Edit: the common cold is coronavirus



The common cold is the name for any sickness that isn't severe enough to warrant identification. It's most frequently associated with rhinoviruses, but there are adenoviruses, coronaviruses, and probably many others capable of causing such an illness.


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    #26892247 - 08/21/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid-19-test-prices-and-payment-policy/


I read this entire article. It is all business as usual. Hospitals negotiate prices for diagnostics with each provider. Sure, the hospital wants to get the most they can from each provider. That doesn't mean they get it. It's a negotiation process.

Typically, the provider has the upper hand in this process. The smaller the volume of services/clients for a given medical provider, the less ability they have to negotiate a low rate from a given insurance provider.

The medical provider has to either accept the rate determined by the insurance provider, or choose not to work with them. This is why clinics and other small-scale medical providers typically only accept patients within a set and relatively smaller number of insurance provider networks.


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