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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26889696 - 08/20/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I quit my job and stay locked in an underground bunker.  Hopefully food will appear when I need it.  I know I did the right thing because I'd probably die if I left the bunker.  Also, this makes me saintly




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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: InfiniteDreams] * 1
    #26890027 - 08/20/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Feevers pretty much said it all. Doc, you're just regressing back to the "fraud happens" claim.

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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


The claim which started this dialogue was that covid deaths are being falsified in order to fraudulently collect money from the government. Describing other ways in which in fraud is committed does not serve as evidence for this specific claim.

Deadly pandemics are a fact of existence, just like floods, earthquakes, and fires. That they happen is unfortunate, but the current situation is really quite simple: a virus that is deadlier/more contagious that the viruses we typically deal with started spreading out of control. This is why people are dying.

Everything that needs to be said about this has been said.

By all means, become a PA. Please do understand that working in many areas of healthcare is much harder than it usually is. The reason it's much harder is that patient to staff ratios are higher than usual, average patient acuity (how sick each patient is) is higher than usual, and the emotional toll of the job is harder than usual because death- especially death that "feels" premature/unexpected- is more frequent and the dying feel very lonely due to the current limits on visitation. Your home life is likely to change, too: be prepared to have conversations with your friends and loved ones about whether or not it's safe for them to be hanging out with you, and for some them to decide that it isn't worth the risk. All of these changes are the result of the fact that a contagious and deadly virus is circulating. Nevertheless, this is by far the most rewarding and meaningful job I've ever had, and I wouldn't take it back even if I contracted COVID19 and died as a result.



In other news, more anecdotal evidence of what is increasingly being suspected about immunity- that memory T-Cells from other coronavirus infections may be able to produce sufficiently effective antibodies in response to SARS-CoV-2 exposure. I was contacted last night by a friend of my parents, wanting to know about accessing the free public testing provided by the county so that he can see the dentist. He has to be tested in order to go because his wife apparently contracted COVID19 in May and was sick for about 2 weeks, and she has apparently continued to test positive for COVID19 ever since- even now, months later, despite no longer feeling any symptoms. He claims to have been tested 4 different times, including PCR, rapid tests, and blood tests. Despite the fact that he lives and sleeps with someone who has apparently been shedding virus for months now without wearing a mask, he always tests negative for SARS-CoV-2.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26890038 - 08/20/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

arguing with retards just makes u more retarded

take it from me

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: cannabinated] * 5
    #26890069 - 08/20/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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arguing with retards just makes u more retarded

take it from me

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I don't think Doc is retarded. Frankly, I can easily imagine that if I weren't in this profession, or this had happened when I were in my early 20s rather than early 30s, or I were doing a bunch of pot/cocaine/speed/other drugs that make you feel a combination of paranoia and mania, I would have been one of these people constantly playing the contrarian/conspiracy theorist. I used to spend a lot of time reading conspiracy theories and arguing for them. I don't think it's because I am particularly dumb- in fact, I think devoting a lot of personal time to conspiracies might be a signal that a person is a highly active thinker who WANTS to know the truth, but lacks the kind of focus needed to channel those thoughts in ways that actually allow them to access it. I just happen to have found myself in a "convenient" position to access the truth about this particular set of circumstances. I suppose this is what makes me more patient with hoaxers and contrarians than many of my colleagues.


I will say that HamHead is a special kind of annoying, though. There is something deeper at play- some kind of personality disorder or something- with his particular brand of contrarianism. I tried putting him on ignore but then I don't have access to this thread :facepalm:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26890383 - 08/20/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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the emotional toll of the job is harder than usual because death- especially death that "feels" premature/unexpected- is more frequent and the dying feel very lonely due to the current limits on visitation. Your home life is likely to change, too: be prepared to have conversations with your friends and loved ones about whether or not it's safe for them to be hanging out with you, and for some them to decide that it isn't worth the risk




This is some real shit. I worked in healthcare and it just becomes your life. not becoming emotionally invested in the people you care for was impossible. I can't imagine the shit people have to go through now with the pandemic. god bless you fuckers are built different. I don't necessarily agree with the current situation with hospitals and believe modern medicine to be fundamentally flawed  that being said the people putting their own lives in the mix who are truly motivated for the benefit of others are true saints. On a grand scale healthcare in general has become a money scam even before the virus. There are a lot of good workers there with some big hearts tho. Probably more so now that it's been discovered covid makes your heart swell.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26890562 - 08/20/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

im boutta make a thread vindicating myself for all of this cutting edge stuff im shitting out and all the political reasons i dont work in stem


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: cannabinated]
    #26891381 - 08/21/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't say it was only tied to deaths. I'm saying that they are paid only for admission but for a positive test result. The dollar amount is dependent upon whether the patient is admitted or not, that's why it ranges in my State, from 12,000-$132,000 I was wrong when I said 14,000.  The money isn't only for admission but for a positive result that could possibly impact the hospital, they are being paid for possible outcomes as well as actual admission. It is supposed to help support hospitals financially so they don't become over burdened and you can bet your ass fraud is taking place or there would be no reason to count noncovid deaths as being related to the virus.  You are only saying that it's for admission and it's not true. The federal funding is for PPE, testing and admissions, even pharmacies like Walgreens are paid for testing by the federal government,  who do you think is funding all this? Certainly not the big pharmacy chains or Hospitals.

Edit:Over 3 Trillion dollars has been approved so far to combat covid19,  there's no way in hell someone doesn't have their hands in the cookie jar!


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #26891486 - 08/21/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29703982/georgia-state-qb-mikele-colasurdo-diagnosed-heart-condition-linked-covid-19

He's not the only college athlete to come down with this heart condition. The only reason they're finding it is because they're athletes trying to come back to their normal standards. What about all the others who didn't get the tests that they did?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: qman] * 1
    #26891499 - 08/21/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29703982/georgia-state-qb-mikele-colasurdo-diagnosed-heart-condition-linked-covid-19

He's not the only college athlete to come down with this heart condition. The only reason they're finding it is because they're athletes trying to come back to their normal standards. What about all the others who didn't get the tests that they did?




The Red Sox pitcher is out for the season with it as well. So much for the "You'll be fine if you're not fat and unhealthy and take your vitamin D" line so many are taking right now.

That's the thing with the after-effects, when there are so many asymptomatic cases and also so much damage that won't be immediately noticeable, the cases we hear of are likely an extremely minimal amount of what the long-term damage will be for peoples' health. Fibrosis is going to be a real problem.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26891516 - 08/21/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone here familiar with N-acetyl cysteine(NAC) - seeing a good bit of hype for it as a therapeutic(and prophylactic, but I'm a bit unsure of that). Seems like it's been known to improve liver and lung function, among other things for a while. Have read anecdotal firsthand reports of it significantly helping COVID patients improve. Bought a bottle for my parents to have on hand in the event of symptoms, and have another one for myself coming tomorrow. I'm trying to read up a little more on it to determine if it's something I should use as a regular supplement or keep on hand in the event that I get sick.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26891562 - 08/21/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It kind of helps with nasal congestion from seasonal allergies but it smells terrible even in pills.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26891594 - 08/21/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

NAC has a cult following for sure, I've never really looked much into it though. Supposedly (not sure how much evidence) it's been shown to decrease some inflammatory markers, increase t-cell response and increase glutathione, all which theoretically could help lessen COVID's severity. Like anything right now though the only real answer is "more research is needed", despite what a few studies may show about any supplement/vitamin or medication,  1+1 often doesn't equal 2 when it comes to physiology and supplementation research.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26891622 - 08/21/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Anyone here familiar with N-acetyl cysteine(NAC) - seeing a good bit of hype for it as a therapeutic(and prophylactic, but I'm a bit unsure of that). Seems like it's been known to improve liver and lung function, among other things for a while. Have read anecdotal firsthand reports of it significantly helping COVID patients improve. Bought a bottle for my parents to have on hand in the event of symptoms, and have another one for myself coming tomorrow. I'm trying to read up a little more on it to determine if it's something I should use as a regular supplement or keep on hand in the event that I get sick.



The setting in which I'm used to seeing NAC used is for cystic fibrosis patients. It's given in inhaled form. It breaks up the mucus, which is helpful for CF patients because the very thick mucus is what makes breathing difficult for them and makes them more susceptible to respiratory infection. Mucus isn't a major problem for COVID patients, though- they tend to have a dry cough. When I was a smoker with a lot of mucus, even the oral form seemed to loosen up the secretions a bit and make it easier to cough them out.

I've heard that the oral form can cause pulmonary arterial hypertension. Under normal circumstances this is undesirable- now that I don't smoke, taking oral NAC seems to make it more difficult for me to get a "full breath"- but strangely enough, it might be beneficial for COVID patients. Check this out:

HEALTH AND SCIENCE Trail of bubbles leads scientists to new coronavirus clue

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So Reynolds turned to a new robotic version, a headset that once positioned over the patient can automatically do the tracking. She used it to perform what’s called a bubble study, a commonly used, painless test for stroke risk that involves injecting saline containing tiny air bubbles into a vein. As the microbubbles circulate, the smallest blood vessels in healthy lungs — called capillaries — will trap and filter them out of the bloodstream.

Over several nights in the ICU, Reynolds tested some of her sickest coronavirus patients — and repeatedly, NovaSignal’s robotic Doppler kept measuring bubbles that, instead of being filtered away, were somehow reaching their brains.

“This was really bizarre,” Reynolds said. Often bubbles avoid lung filtering by slipping through a heart defect that’s a well-known stroke risk, but “there’s no way everyone suddenly has a hole in their heart.”

But to Mount Sinai lung expert Dr. Hooman Poor, the bubble mystery might be “essentially the missing link” in why these patients weren’t getting enough oxygen: Maybe abnormally dilated lung capillaries, not a heart problem, were letting the bubbles sneak through.

Poor and Reynolds did more tests. By the end of the pilot study, 15 of 18 tested patients had microbubbles detected in the brain. And backing Poor’s theory, patients with the most bubbles also had the lowest oxygen levels, researchers reported earlier this month in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine.

Why would capillaries matter?

Coronavirus patients on ventilators have what’s called ARDS or acute respiratory distress syndrome, an inflammatory lung failure that when caused by other infections blocks oxygen by stiffening lungs. But the coronavirus doesn’t similarly stiffen lungs, Poor explained.

His new theory: Doctors know the coronavirus attacks the lining of blood vessels, causing dangerous clots. The bubble study suggests maybe blood is being detoured from clogged vessels to unusually widened ones — and thus flowing through too fast to properly absorb oxygen.




It could turn out to be the case that increasing the capillary blood pressure makes it so these microbubbles actually get trapped within the capillaries of the lungs, so they don't go on to circulate in the bloodstream.

Whatever the case, we haven't used NAC for any of our COVID19 patients. I'll be interested to see how the research develops.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26891634 - 08/21/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Doc, where are you reading that a positive test allows the hospital to collect money? We have plenty of people come in to the ER, get tested, and get sent home. It wouldn't surprise me if the government helps pay for the cost of the testing itself. That encourages testing to occur, and testing is one key element in controlling the spread of the virus. Nut unless the patient gets admitted, they don't get paid for treating that patient.

Again, extraordinary evidence. You saying that "X amount of money is circulating, therefore someone has to be taking more than their fair share" isn't evidence, it's speculation. In any case, I'd like to see what resources you're looking at and getting these figures from. I have admittedly not been paying much attention to the news lately, except insofar as it relates to advancements in treatment.

Everyone got a 10% paycut where I work. A lot of the staff from units like orthopedic rehab, oncology, etc. got furloughed. We're all on high alert for any reason to believe the hospital might be taking advantage of us. As far as I can tell, they're not. They're losing money because many of the routine things they collect money for aren't taking place, or are taking place far less frequently.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26891695 - 08/21/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It is supposed to help support hospitals financially so they don't become over burdened and you can bet your ass fraud is taking place or there would be no reason to count noncovid deaths as being related to the virus.




Is this happening? You hear it all the time, but not much evidence to back it up. It certainly doesn’t make sense, since healthcare providers would have diagnose non-covid patients as having covid and treat them as such before they die.

Why is a physician going to risk his career falsifying a death certificate, with witnesses present?

Why does the excess mortality data line up very well with the actual count of covid deaths? You may be able to fudge causes of deaths but you can’t make up deaths that never happened. There are ~180,000 excess deaths since the pandemic began, and unless someone can come up with a better explanation for those deaths, it is perfectly reasonable to attribute them all to covid.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26892024 - 08/21/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

why would doctors risk their career and freedom to push opiates? MONEY 💰


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26892032 - 08/21/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

my doctor wouldnt even give me T3's when I had 2 broken arms, the hospital gave me tramadol and that shit made me feel weird, so I made a appointment to try and get codiene and she would only write me a script for neproxon, so I had to continue taking the stupid tramadols the hospital gave me


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26892041 - 08/21/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



Anyone know of a source on this graph? Interesting if accurate.

edit: I just noticed it's at the bottom of the graph. I'm going to dig into this a little more when I get a chance.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Doc9151]
    #26892057 - 08/21/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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why would doctors risk their career and freedom to push opiates? MONEY 💰



Still waiting on the links


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26892071 - 08/21/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So, morrowasted, In your opinion, how bad do you think it would be if everybody in the U.S. just went back to business as usual and just tried to pretend this pandemic thing wasn't really happening?


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