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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26867025 - 08/06/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: morrowasted]
    #26867040 - 08/06/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, some side effects from vaccines, such as paralysis, simply just "go away". And lawyers are hired to fight, though it's a little difficult when vaccine producers have ZERO liabilities, nor do any doctors sticking people with vaccines. Anything happens, any side effects, such as paralysis, falls on the victims and the victims only. They are the ones who have to care for children with adverse reactions that many parents say, their child is never the same.

You can claim all your education for your entire life.

Until it happens to you or someone around you, your mind, much as mine, remains set on your path, as is mine.

It's funny you say I don't admit being wrong. I, for one, was frightened at first. I was angry at those around me NOT wearing mask, during peak infection weeks in mid April, I was the only person walking around my local grocery store wearing a surgical mask, up and formed over my nose. I took it seriously and was angry at people who did not social distance.

I was wrong. I may not have openly admitted or said so, but there was a shift in my perspective when I began seeing videos of other epidemiologists, such as Knut Wittkowski and John Loannidis.

https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=JiiMY_wAAAAJ&hl=en

https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=r_lxEYkAAAAJ&hl=en

Then, those two doctors speaking out of California.

Then Andrew Kaufman.

https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=GkAwsTUAAAAJ&hl=en

And Vladimir Zelenko, who sent a letter to POTUS sharing his findings involving HCQ when used with zinc and explains HCQ mechanisms of action, allowing zinc to penetrate into cells for its antiviral properties.

https://doctor.webmd.com/doctor/5780111/vladimir-zelenko-conditions-procedures

And I changed my stance on Covid-19.

I did my own research and discovered how common colds are coronaviruses.

Then, I learned about T cell immunity, and how other, common cold coronaviruses, respond to SARS-CoV-2 and many people already have some sort of immunity. If this were not the case, many more people would be showing early symptoms and hospitals really would be overwhelmed as our bodies would not have any T cell memory resistances.

Then, coronavirus vaccines and how they all fail in animal challenge trials, causing ADE.

And Gates and his plans to vaccinate every person on earth.

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I'll listen to those with years of experience before I start listening to a nurse.

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You still in school, morrowasted?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead]
    #26867103 - 08/06/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I literally said in post that severe side effects happen

Quote:


side effects are expected with any kind of medicine. some may cause a mild fever, some may cause pain at the injection site. serious side effects are very rare. they do happen,



just like you fail to comprehend the articles you cite, you fail to comprehend the posts you pick arguments with

You cherry pick your articles, you cherry pick the specific parts of those articles, you cherry pick your "experts". I am surrounded by doctors constantly. 100% of them agree that wearing a mask reduces the chance of spreading infection. 100% of them agree that the benefits of the vaccinations we give outweigh the risks. When they dont, we dont give them. That is why we do not give the BCG vaccine here. Coincidentally, none of the doctors i am surrounded by make money off of youtube


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: morrowasted]
    #26867177 - 08/06/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

side effects are expected with any kind of medicine. some may cause a mild fever, some may cause pain at the injection site. serious side effects are very rare. they do happen, but again, serious side effects also sometimes occur with the medicines we use to treat the diseases we are trying to prevent.  the nice thing about the side effects of vaccines is that they go away within a couple of days and you rarely ever have to get the vaccine. As far as medicine goes, they're relatively unprofitable compared with medicines that need to be taken all the time.


Edited by morrowasted (08/05/20 11:09 AM)

Cherry pick your own post then.

Edit.

'Oh, my child is paralyzed. It's been less than a day since that vaccine. It'll go away in a couple days, nothing to worry about.'


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead]
    #26867346 - 08/06/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

you are being intentionally obstinate, you know that paralysis doesn't go away in a couple of days, and the side effects I was referring to were the ones that most people get, not the extremely uncommon ones. you ignored my PM response because I simply acknowledged that these effects occur and there wasn't an argument to be had when you thought there would be.


we also pass out antipsychotic drugs that result in permanent extrapyramidal movement disorders. this is a much bigger problem than vaccines. this is one case where it might be argued that the benefits do not outweigh the consequences. I'm honestly not sure. In the case of vaccines, they definitely do.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: morrowasted]
    #26867408 - 08/06/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Going to have a really hard time convincing me vaccines are safe.

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/meningococcal-conjugate-vaccine-side-effects.html

"Meningococcal conjugate vaccine Side Effects
Medically reviewed by Drugs.com. Last updated on Jan 1, 2020.

For the Consumer
Applies to meningococcal conjugate vaccine: intramuscular suspension

Side effects requiring immediate medical attention
Along with its needed effects, meningococcal conjugate vaccine may cause some unwanted effects. Although not all of these side effects may occur, if they do occur they may need medical attention.

Check with your doctor or nurse immediately if any of the following side effects occur while taking meningococcal conjugate vaccine:

More common

Chills
fever
general feeling of discomfort or illness
unusual tiredness or weakness
Incidence not known

Back pain, sudden and severe
blurred vision
burning, crawling, itching, numbness, prickling, "pins and needles", or tingling feelings
confusion
cough
difficulty with swallowing
dizziness
dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position
fainting
fast heartbeat
flushing or redness of the skin
hives or welts
inability to move the arms and legs
itching
muscle weakness, sudden and progressing
puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
seizures
shortness of breath
skin rash
sudden numbness and weakness in the arms and legs
sweating
tightness in the chest
unusually warm skin
wheezing

Side effects not requiring immediate medical attention
Some side effects of meningococcal conjugate vaccine may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. Also, your health care professional may be able to tell you about ways to prevent or reduce some of these side effects.

Check with your health care professional if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome or if you have any questions about them:

More common

Crying
diarrhea
difficulty with moving
drowsiness
irritability
loss of appetite
muscle pain or stiffness
pain in the joints
pain, redness, swelling, or tenderness at the injection site
vomiting
For Healthcare Professionals
Applies to meningococcal conjugate vaccine: intramuscular powder for injection, intramuscular solution

General
The most common adverse events were injection site pain, irritability, diarrhea, headache, and fatigue.[Ref]

Local
Very common (10% or more): Injection site pain (48.1%), injection site redness (16%), injection site induration (11%)

Common (1% to 10%): Injection site swelling, injection site hematoma

Uncommon (0.1% to 1%): Injection site pruritus

Postmarketing reports: Injection site reaction, injection site cellulitis, extensive swelling of the injected limb (frequently associated with erythema, sometimes involving the adjacent joint or swelling of the entire injected limb)[Ref]

Nervous system
Very common (10% or more): Headache (41.8%), drowsiness (11.2%)

Uncommon (0.1% to 1%): Dizziness, hypoesthesia

Postmarketing reports: Vasovagal syncope, paresthesia, Guillain-Barre syndrome, vertigo, tonic convulsion, febrile convulsion, vertigo, vestibular disorder, syncope, facial paresis, balance disorder[Ref]

Gastrointestinal
Very common (10% or more): Diarrhea (14%), nausea

Common (1% to 10%): Vomiting, gastrointestinal symptoms[Ref]

Other
Very common (10% or more): Fatigue (32.3%), malaise (22.3%), fever

Common (1% to 10%): Chills, crying

Postmarketing reports: Asthenia, impaired hearing, ear pain, fall, head injury, body temperature increased[Ref]

Dermatologic
Common (1% to 10%): Rash

Uncommon (0.1% to 1%): Pruritus

Postmarketing reports: Bullous conditions[Ref]

Musculoskeletal
Very common (10% or more): Arthralgia (16%), myalgia

Uncommon (0.1% to 1%): Pain in extremity

Postmarketing reports: Bone pain[Ref]

Psychiatric
Very common (10% or more): Irritability (12.2%)

Common (1% to 10%): Insomnia[Ref]

Metabolic
Very common (10% or more): Appetite lost

Common (1% to 10%): Anorexia, eating disorder[Ref]

Respiratory
Uncommon (0.1% to 1%): Nasopharyngitis

Postmarketing reports: Oropharyngeal pain[Ref]

Hypersensitivity
Postmarketing reports: Hypersensitivity (such as rash, urticaria, pruritus, dyspnea, angioedema) including anaphylaxis[Ref]

Hepatic
Postmarketing reports: Alanine aminotransferase increased[Ref]

Ocular
Postmarketing reports: Eyelid ptosis[Ref]

References
1. "Product Information. Menactra (meningococcal conjugate vaccine)." sanofi pasteur, Swiftwater, PA.

2. Cerner Multum, Inc. "UK Summary of Product Characteristics." O 0

3. Cerner Multum, Inc. "Australian Product Information." O 0

Further information
Always consult your healthcare provider to ensure the information displayed on this page applies to your personal circumstances.

Some side effects may not be reported. You may report them to the FDA."


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead] * 4
    #26867410 - 08/06/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

the majority are relatively safe and the benefits are huge compared to the small percentage that have problems.
  I knew you were an anti-vaxxer.  You cannot be trusted.  Why?  It’s because you don’t know how to critically think.  You display a crude mimicry of critical thinking skills - and it’s leading you astray.


It’s imperfect yet incredibly valuable medical tool for the majority of humanity and we are better bc of it - it’s not magic.  That’s just how the real world goes kid.

What you need is a proper education.  Medicine & the sciences generally have a certain sequence in which they need to be studied or everything will become dark & confusing when you try to learn it.    Prerequisites are a necessity for much of it because without the fundamental building blocks you will never be able to appropriately comprehend the subject matter.



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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26867421 - 08/06/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
You cannot be trusted.




Who can be?

Fauci?
Gates?

Think you're any better?

Go ahead and educate me then if you are so sure I am wrong.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own researc [Re: HamHead] * 6
    #26867454 - 08/06/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You are just a sad little man who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.  So I won’t be wasting my time doing anything other than poking you with an e-stick.  Why?  Because you’ve allowed ego to foolishly drive you insane without even recognizing it.  With the internet at my beck and call - I could just do what you do.  I could pull up nearly an unlimited number of sources to make a seemingly compelling argument for or against anything.  I can copy and paste and underline key phrases which bolster my argument and diminish yours.  But you can also go do that for yourself.  I would rather not do something for you that you can do for yourself.  Plus, sophistry looks bad on you.  If you go to school, show up, pay attention, and study wisely.. you can become someone who is actually worth engaging in an argument (in a manner befitting adults) But for now, I do not see you as such.  You are more like a troll who is ignorant of his own true nature, which is only put up with to a certain point - after that you just become an annoying insect like troll.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own researc [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26891525 - 08/21/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2020/08/19/why-t-cell-immunity-wont-end-coronavirus-pandemic/#59f4d15b33d5

Think of your body like a medieval castle under siege. That castle protects itself through means of both defense and offense: the innate immune system and the adaptive immune system. Just as a castle has built-in defenses, such as a moat, walls and drawbridge, the innate immune system is your body’s bulwark against bacteria.    Skin, mucous, stomach acid and other things are all designed to repel outside attacks. Should attackers breach your castle, your adaptive immune system acts as  the archers, spies and knights against the invaders. They may take a little longer to get their armor on, but once they fight back they are able to use deadly precision. These are your body’s B cells, which produce antibodies, and T cells.


Please, Forbes, just stop.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own researc [Re: HamHead]
    #26891539 - 08/21/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Fuckabunchaforbes!


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Srirachi]
    #26891631 - 08/21/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Srirachi said:
I'm still stunned that people who expect to be taken seriously quote Wikipedia.

Let's walk through it.

1.) Most people agree that most people are idiots.

2.) Wikipedia is polling results on what most people think on a subject, written in encyclopedia format.

3.) There is no 3, 1 & 2 cover it perfectly well.





I have hated wikipedia ever since they deleted my post that nicotine causes hiccups, because I didnt cite a source, they had other causes not cited that I dont even think cause hiccups, I think someone on the inside added the other ones so they let it be, but because im not in the fan club they deleted my addition, I think that cause I heard before wikipedia is very cliquey


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own researc [Re: HamHead]
    #26891913 - 08/21/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2020/08/19/why-t-cell-immunity-wont-end-coronavirus-pandemic/#59f4d15b33d5

Think of your body like a medieval castle under siege. That castle protects itself through means of both defense and offense: the innate immune system and the adaptive immune system. Just as a castle has built-in defenses, such as a moat, walls and drawbridge, the innate immune system is your body’s bulwark against bacteria.    Skin, mucous, stomach acid and other things are all designed to repel outside attacks. Should attackers breach your castle, your adaptive immune system acts as  the archers, spies and knights against the invaders. They may take a little longer to get their armor on, but once they fight back they are able to use deadly precision. These are your body’s B cells, which produce antibodies, and T cells.


Please, Forbes, just stop.


what problem do you have with what they wrote here? Its a decent explanation for those not formally educated in immunology. Not sure i agree with the way this piece is written overall but i see nothing wrong with that portion


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own researc [Re: morrowasted]
    #26891958 - 08/21/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I took the time to take photos of my Microbiology/Immunology textbook explaining how memory T cells and antibodies work. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make but this is a chance to avail yourself of free college-level education in the subject- if you're actually interested in it, I assume you'll take the time to read all of it. I did.















If there is anything else you'd like to learn about at a more advanced level, I'd be happy to share whatever resources I have with you.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own researc [Re: morrowasted]
    #26892154 - 08/21/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That's great.

I have to go refill my moat with live alligators and I think my drawbridge is down. Which one of those is T cells again? My moat or my drawbridge?

:tryingnottodie:

Forbes must think it's appealing to 4 year olds, talking about castle walls, moats, archers and drawbridges when speaking on such a complex subject such as an immune system.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own researc [Re: HamHead]
    #26892228 - 08/21/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don't read forbes.

You don't have to, either.

I'm sharing real information with you.

The kind of information I use as the basis for the statements I make about immune responses.

Feel free to do the same.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own researc [Re: morrowasted]
    #26893100 - 08/22/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Pulled from that thread I'm unable to post in. Thank you. It proves a point. We need to get out and develop herd immunity, such as these states which have been 'protesting' and gathering for many days.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/t-cell-immunity-underestimated-in-predictions-for-covid-19-herd-immunity_3465083.html

"Areas of Possible Herd Immunity
States like Oregon, Washington, and Illinois—where large crowds of people are protesting and rioting frequently without social distancing and where some are not wearing masks—are not seeing a significant spike in new cases or deaths.

The Washington Department of Health tweeted on Aug. 14 that the state’s “COVID-19 cases are plateauing” even in King County where the riots continue to take place.

Oregon reported its lowest daily COVID-19 cases on Aug. 17 of 189 and no new deaths, bringing the number of total cases to 23,451 and a death toll of 388.

In Illinois, while daily cases began to rise again towards the end of June with the increasing number of tests given, the fatality rates had begun to significantly decline at the same time.

And in Ventura County in California, a church protesting Gov. Gavin Newsom’s lockdown mandate has been offering indoor services for its congregants (of up to several thousand people) for the past two months without any virus outbreaks, according to NTD. While the church does focus on properly sanitizing before and after services, Pastor Rob McCoy of Godspeak Calvary Chapel leaves it up to church members if they want to wear masks and physical distancing.

The pastor and his church members are facing legal consequences for attending an in-person church service after breaking a temporary restraining order to not hold indoor activities.

One possible explanation for lower deaths in these communities is that natural herd immunity has taken effect to some degree."

Edit.

Let's look at those states, and a couple others. I like these graphs, however accurate their numbers are, it's a thing many people reference to.



Edit 2.

Though, in my ignorance, I think it's a little late being close to September. And with reports of entire class rooms, granted maybe only 10 children and a teacher, are quarantined for 14 days because of a positive test results, while political officials have tested both positive and negative in a 24 hour time frame. Other reports of both positive and negative test in a short time frame, many times multiple negatives, and when a positive does show up, a ruckus is made and as you can see in sports, athletes are having to sit out due to a 1/6 positive test ratio.

Yet, NBA, MLB, NHL continues, as organizations, allowed to operate on a massive scale, while small family owned businesses are not allowed to open without risk of repercussions.

And don't get me started on walmart, home depot, Lowe's, Amazon, CVS, Walgreens, Kroger, etc. Etc. Etc.

All big businesses who are still up and running.

Get a job at any one of these and you're able to scratch by, but open your own small business, you risk being closed, or targeted in some way for not virtue signaling by continuing to remain closed.

Riots have burned buildings, some of which happened to be small businesses. What happens to those people who worked to open those businesses, when there is no longer a building to operate from. Will their land lords still demand rent on a burned down property?

Can't forget about insurance.

:rush:


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