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What is life?
    #26891347 - 08/21/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What is all this life that I see around me as I sit by a river? Or why is it? All these species of plants and the whole ecosystem fine tuned to keep on living, each organism in its niche.
There is just the wonder of never getting the definite answer. Maybe some people get an answer from God about it, but I always return to wonder. It is clear that life has an intrinsic aim and purpose to continue on and reproduce.
Is it something that happens by chance? Why not. Billions of years is an incomprehensible length of time.
Did God create this earth as in he intervened? Why not...


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #26891353 - 08/21/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

life is sticky beauty wet rhythmic progressive


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
    #26891436 - 08/21/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Creepy beautiful lovely intelligent mysterious energy organized magically by the Buddha.


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26891448 - 08/21/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just think if everybody looked the same and we only had one kind of tree...Thank God for variety. (someone went overboard in the insect realm tho)


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Re: What is life? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26891471 - 08/21/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
Creepy beautiful lovely intelligent mysterious energy organized magically by the Buddha.



This Buddha was some magician!


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Re: What is life? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26891478 - 08/21/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, that would be boring as hell! Thank God for variety indeed (because we didn't create it). Insects are fucking fascinating!

Check out this ant war:


and this horny son of a bitch:


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26891699 - 08/21/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Couldn't wonder be translated as meaninglessness?  Wonder being the positive expression for the suspension of belief, meaninglessness being the negative expression. 

I'm curious what grants you the positive expression for uncertainty?


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26891733 - 08/21/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have no idea. Do you?


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26891759 - 08/21/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just a bit confused by your original post.  You say wonder is the reward for not having a definite answer but sex and reproduction are the intrinsic aims of life and that this is clear.  So that is a question mark for me. 

Are you saying that reproduction itself is not a definite answer to life?


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26892005 - 08/21/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

meaningless means no meaning - so - neither positive or negative.

otherwise it could have some meaning and would not be meaningless


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26892015 - 08/21/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

K so there is the suspension of belief.  On the positive side you have joyous wonder and on the negative side you have, what, anxiety.  Deep crippling anxiety ?

At any rate, I want to know what grants the positive expression in this case.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26892044 - 08/21/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

We behold at all times.  Just sometimes we dig ourselves into a thought-verse which evokes one emotion or another.


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26892049 - 08/21/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So randomness.  There wouldn't be a hidden zeal that allows Innerwisdom to enjoy uncertainty?


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26892060 - 08/21/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Nameless wonder of wonders you do strike me so that I may be paused to toy with joy or terror - often mixed and in error - but sometimes it’s on the money and supremely aware.


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26892065 - 08/21/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wonder as something outside the self.  Which implies mysticism.  Which implies a hidden zeal in the positive expression.  Anxiety being a lack of faith to use a trigger word.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26892165 - 08/21/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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What is all this life that I see around me as I sit by a river? Or why is it? ...




“the pregnant void—an infinite field of nothingness bursting with potentialities”

-Shanghaied for the occasion from Derek Lin 


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26892272 - 08/21/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

start with any tropism and select for the light (joyous) rather than the dark (painful), unless the sun is too bright, when you might want to select for the shade, or for a synchronized movement alternating from or toward extremes.

this is how a living thing manages - it's second nature you might say.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26892376 - 08/21/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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What is all this life that I see around me as I sit by a river? Or why is it?




.  Well Alan Watts, who liked 'Zen' answers, since he couldn't hit you on the internet, & wasn't really into smacking folks anyway, would just say: "You are it!"

.  The science answer seems to be that its no different from the rest of the universe - (and couldn't possibly be different) whatever it is.
.  At the level of molecules, atoms, then elementary particles, then quarks, & who knows what, waves, particles and energy seem to all become indistinguishable, or constantly transforming into one another, at an incomprehensible speed.
.  This makes what we say about life per say, in a philosophical sense, seem irrelevant to me, and the "You are it!" answer, to be actually not just cute, but much more to the point.

. I enjoy Alan's writing, but when I hear recordings of his voice on  the net, it seems quite strange.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26892619 - 08/21/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm just a bit confused by your original post.  You say wonder is the reward for not having a definite answer but sex and reproduction are the intrinsic aims of life and that this is clear.  So that is a question mark for me. 

Are you saying that reproduction itself is not a definite answer to life?



From the point of view of a human it is not the definite answer, but one obvious one when it comes to the question why is all this life here and what is its purpose. What the wondering is about is that what is beyond that level if anything? Because life seems at the same time to be randomly organized yet intricate, and aiming to thrive and grow all the time.
It is actually the growing and evolving that I wonder about, probably because I was not here to witness it. Just suddenly I am here and indeed I am it as well!


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26892623 - 08/21/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So randomness.  There wouldn't be a hidden zeal that allows Innerwisdom to enjoy uncertainty?



I'm not sure what you mean by uncertainty.  Because it is certain that all this life is here, all the time. Where it came from is uncertain, but it certainly did come from somewhere.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #26892798 - 08/22/20 02:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Re: " Where it came from is uncertain, but it certainly did come from somewhere.
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very long entry on wiki, on this subject of Emergence

I will give the link, and 1st 3 paragraphs only

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence

"In philosophy, systems theory, science, and art, emergence occurs when an entity is observed to have properties its parts do not have on their own. These properties or behaviors emerge only when the parts interact in a wider whole. For example, smooth forward motion emerges when a bicycle and its rider interoperate, but neither part can produce the behavior on their own.

Emergence plays a central role in theories of integrative levels and of complex systems. For instance, the phenomenon of life as studied in biology is an emergent property of chemistry, and psychological phenomena emerge from the neurobiological phenomena of living things.

In philosophy, theories that emphasize emergent properties have been called emergentism. Almost all accounts of emergentism include a form of epistemic or ontological irreducibility to the lower levels.[1]"

.  Beyond that there are no ultimate causes. The human mind cannot imagine a beginning to time, or an edge where space stops. To want such "things" is to desire a life of certainty, with no mystery, and no paradox - in other words it is the desire of a junkie -- to be numb -- or the desire of a coward to be dead.
.  That this is precisely what religions, that proclaim a personal God, claim to offer people, should raise a red flag in anyones' mind who is tempted to flirt with such sick notions. That we have had thousands of years of war, crime & corruption in spite, of thousands of years, of such religions seducing millions of people, should be an obvious warning, to steer clear of such mass hypnosis, prevalent though it is.
.    As there are no ultimate causes, for the universe there are likewise no ultimate causes of life, no purposes human life is meant to accomplish, to please some paternal God or immortal soul. Instead we get to be responsible, we get to be free, - & you get to "be it", as Mr. A. Watts said.


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Re: What is life? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26892805 - 08/22/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Beyond that there are no ultimate causes we know of.
I.e. where did the universe come from? My understanding is that the prevailing hypothesis nowadays is of a multiverse, where our universe is just a bubble in.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26892828 - 08/22/20 02:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Do you claim to imagine a time without time?
A time before time?
It simply makes no sense
a cause always comes before the caused
as time has no beginning, there can be no first cause
that is why an intelligent person enjoys a sense of wonder
being alive in the eternal present
and has no desire for some pretend 'certain' answer
that tells him who he is and what he must do
and robs him of spontaneity and life
while giving him beliefs he feels he must identify with and defend.

But the world being the way it is, those who are afraid of being alone in the vast cosmos,
will always find people to agree with them,
people with whom to share beliefs and final 'answers',
people with whom to congregate, and perhaps,
even people with whom to perform rituals,
and celebrate holidays, and so on.

And this is also fine, or ok,
as its just how it is,
among the majority of humans.


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Re: What is life? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26892866 - 08/22/20 03:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes I agree only people afraid of uncertainty or otherwise in demand of an answer will become dogmatic, blindly or willingly so.
I witnessed a good friend become a dogmatic christian after entertaining and believing in various new age beliefs and trying out psychedelics.
It is a curious thing how the psyche comes  to rescue and can trap a person's soul in various ways.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26892889 - 08/22/20 04:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Must have been strange to see your friend change.

A really odd case was Bob Dylan's Christian phase,
I have no idea what the back story was, or how he came out of it,
or to what degree he came out of it.

I used to go to a massage therapist/chiropractor,  who was orthodox,
then he started believing in more and more conspiracy theories,
and he had a permit for concealed carry (of a gun),
seemed strange to me.
Massage is to loosen up 'blocks',
but mentally he seemed on a path of increasing rigidity.

I stopped going,
I only wanted the bodywork,
not someone else's fears.


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Re: What is life? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26892924 - 08/22/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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laughingdog said:...
A.  The science answer seems to be that its no different from the rest of the universe - (and couldn't possibly be different) whatever it is.
B.  At the level of molecules, atoms, then elementary particles, then quarks, & who knows what, waves, particles and energy seem to all become indistinguishable, or constantly transforming into one another, at an incomprehensible speed.
C.  This makes what we say about life per say, in a philosophical sense, seem irrelevant to me, and the "You are it!" answer, to be actually not just cute, but much more to the point.
...



I have been hoping that comments like this would get easier to read and swallow without heavy chewing, but these morsels just get stuck in my brain as wronger than righter.
A.  the science answer - is complex and slips around a bit (   wikipedia - LIFE ) occasionally including viruses, but otherwise extending from a model that is established in prokaryotes. The REST OF THE UNIVERSE is not in any scientific description of life. (I view the first non- Watts point as inaccurate and misleading - it obfuscates rather than clarifying and is untrue)
B.  this is a vague gesture at quantum concepts which are orders of magnitude below the level of living integrated systems. no current scientific impact of these ideas on life per se, and Quantum issues have no scientific relavence in biology at this time.
C.  this point purely added for cuteness to underscore a negative attitude.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26893113 - 08/22/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So randomness.  There wouldn't be a hidden zeal that allows Innerwisdom to enjoy uncertainty?



I'm not sure what you mean by uncertainty.  Because it is certain that all this life is here, all the time. Where it came from is uncertain, but it certainly did come from somewhere.




This is the hidden zeal that I thought might be occurring in the background.  And I admit you are not  uncertain but certain instead due to it imo.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26893177 - 08/22/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know what your point is. I thought I was just stating the obvious: something that is must have come from somewhere into existence


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26893196 - 08/22/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Emptiness, Illusion, and Awareness.  That is enough, for my 24/7 sense of the mystical is a sense of the primordial , and it’s always just right - like Goldilocks.  It’s from being alive, with no other requirement.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26893199 - 08/22/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Obvious?  Why not a vast physical impersonal cosmos that has concocted the conditions for consciousness to emerge temporarily where there is no "somewhere" it came from.  Only a giant matter of fact machine that occasionally churns out self awareness where its implied that the point is to die out.  Well, screw first then die to be accurate.  Would this grant joy and wonder?  Or would it be anxious? 

Because when you use the phrase "must have come from somewhere into existence" it implies that somewhere is somewhere other than here in this cosmos we know.  Imo this is a zealous claim and what grants the ability to enjoy.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26893256 - 08/22/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well I didnt mean no such implication at all. I feel like you are understanding me wrong here. I certainly don't mean that it is certain that a god created this universe or life.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26893271 - 08/22/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm just a bit confused by your original post.  You say wonder is the reward for not having a definite answer but sex and reproduction are the intrinsic aims of life and that this is clear.  So that is a question mark for me. 

Are you saying that reproduction itself is not a definite answer to life?



So what I was talking about here was examining life on different levels of awareness, let's say. The level of awareness of the less conscious lifeforms that we can presume things about, and our awareness of the vast cosmos in which this life resides. Sorry if this is not coherent, I have trouble wording this in english now for some reason.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26893406 - 08/22/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Is it something that happens by chance? Why not. Billions of years is an incomprehensible length of time.
Did God create this earth as in he intervened? Why not...




No need to be sorry I was just taking these words and running with it.


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I'm just a bit confused by your original post.  You say wonder is the reward for not having a definite answer but sex and reproduction are the intrinsic aims of life and that this is clear.  So that is a question mark for me. 

Are you saying that reproduction itself is not a definite answer to life?



So what I was talking about here was examining life on different levels of awareness, let's say. The level of awareness of the less conscious lifeforms that we can presume things about, and our awareness of the vast cosmos in which this life resides. Sorry if this is not coherent, I have trouble wording this in english now for some reason.




I suppose I would say that less conscious life doesn't reflect but simply moves instinctually or maybe not at all.  Hard for me to say.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants] * 1
    #26893955 - 08/22/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Life is a system. You get to explore it. Try to find enlightenment, it is the road to awe! Not death... right? I go outside every morning and find myself somewhere different.

Nature is like a civilization.


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Re: What is life? [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #26894593 - 08/22/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Nature is all there is when you think about. We are a part of nature, although simultaneously fighting against nature in all fronts.
Somehow I am now fascinated by this thought. Behind our civilization it's all just the law of the jungle out there; the toughest and best wins.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26894688 - 08/23/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Behind our civilization it's all just the law of the jungle out there; the toughest and best wins.




This outlook seems to be common, but I question it sometimes.  Seems to me what we call civilization, at least in western capitalist societies, is more the law of the jungle than most of nature.  Most animal species are more likely to work together for the benefit of the species, and even among other species, in order to survive.  Where we humans, at least like I said in many societies, run more on the "dog eat dog", best "wins" philosophy, thinking we have to compete and beat out everyone else to "win".  (what are we winning, anyway?)


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    #26894815 - 08/23/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I exist as proof of its superficiality. I am so not tough.


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26895070 - 08/23/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Reminds me of a little tale,

During the civil wars in feudal Japan, an invading army would quickly sweep into a town and take control. In one particular village, everyone fled just before the army arrived - everyone except the Zen master. Curious about this old fellow, the general went to the temple to see for himself what kind of man this master was.


When he wasn't treated with the deference and
submissiveness to which he was accustomed,
the general burst into anger.

"You fool," he shouted as he reached for his sword,
"don't you realize you are standing before a man
who could run you through without blinking an eye!"

But despite the threat, the master seemed unmoved.
“And do you realize," the master replied calmly,
"that you are standing before a man who can be run through without blinking an eye?


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26895174 - 08/23/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

'Toughest' and 'Best' then being ambiguous in definition.


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26895365 - 08/23/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I thought I answered this already.
What I wanted to say was that this is an admirable philosophy for those who have already had a family or who have nothing to lose. For those who have not, this seems more like giving up, losing.


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    #26895658 - 08/23/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

One might view the values of those who foster both paths in B.A's tale as being ambiguous.


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    #26896477 - 08/24/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You have nothing to gain so you don’t have anything to lose.  You don’t actually gain anything.  You don’t actually lose anything.  That is why we are primordially free.  Sure. We can suffer pretty greatly at times, but if we are really smart (wise) about living, interacting within the world & with others - it’s potential can be mitigated to a perfectly acceptable level. And even that doesn’t really matter, though it is my preference regardless / to live with just the right level of suffering - whatever that may be found to be in our own life, and it is a balancing act that must be learned or come naturally or both.  Say it with me now. I hereby vow to check my balance daily and to go through my day in balance of the facts and of the truth & illusion in each continual situation we experience as many moments in really what’s just  the moment of a lifetime.. To purify oneself by cleaning our conscience and knowing what what thoughts we think, words we say, and things we do .
To do so in such a way as to To do good & To not do evil.  Balancing in that way, I can live & learn weightlessly and joyously in wonder.

Compassionately reducing suffering, remembering things as they really are &  what that means about who & what we are, and living gently are all good and I wish for all to share in this mindedness.  Make your peace ignorance and know. . . That is my fervent wish & prayer.


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    #26919379 - 09/05/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Is n it ok to post this?


"What is Life"



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    #26919394 - 09/05/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No one knows what life is. All I know is that everything is random and meaningless.


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    #26919612 - 09/05/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you answer the blighted question, you might get a word definition so you can better distinguish between life and not life, though it is usually posed as a showstopper question - the immensity of it can derail any ordinary conversation.

"What is nature?" is a bigger question, and now it includes everything, so you can redirect towards a formal study of all the sciences and history, or just take it in as it comes because it is infinite and continuously presenting more of itself.


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    #26919969 - 09/05/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If you answer the blighted question, you might get a word definition so you can better distinguish between life and not life, though it is usually posed as a showstopper question - the immensity of it can derail any ordinary conversation.

"What is nature?" is a bigger question, and now it includes everything, so you can redirect towards a formal study of all the sciences and history, or just take it in as it comes because it is infinite and continuously presenting more of itself.




Perhaps it is a question that divides most folks, (but not all) into 8 or so camps:
those who think it worth answering verbally & conceptually
those who ignore it as obviously, being of interest only to obsessive compulsive thinkers
those who think it worth answering so they can defend a position about viruses
Scientists doing origin of life molecular experiments
Zen masters who need someone to slap
Writers  that love stories: like Zorba the Greek
and philosophers that love words, like Alan Watts

reminds me of the quip:
Everyone should believe in something,
I believe, I'll have another drink.


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    #26920160 - 09/05/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What is all this life that I see around me as I sit by a river? Or why is it? All these species of plants and the whole ecosystem fine tuned to keep on living, each organism in its niche.
There is just the wonder of never getting the definite answer. Maybe some people get an answer from God about it, but I always return to wonder. It is clear that life has an intrinsic aim and purpose to continue on and reproduce.
Is it something that happens by chance? Why not. Billions of years is an incomprehensible length of time.
Did God create this earth as in he intervened? Why not...




You don't have to reproduce, you don't have to reproduce to have purpose, you don't have to have purpose to live, nor do you have to remain alive if you don't so choose.

So within social limitations, like money and common decency, and without hurting someone w/ out their consent, go live it up. Better yet, if sounds like you might could use a week or three out in the woods


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    #26920528 - 09/06/20 06:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Is n it ok to post this?


"What is Life"





Fuck yeah George Harrison!
Its totally ok to post that IMO
Fuck the rules :lol:


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    #26920529 - 09/06/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

InnerWisdom said:
What is all this life that I see around me as I sit by a river? Or why is it? All these species of plants and the whole ecosystem fine tuned to keep on living, each organism in its niche.
There is just the wonder of never getting the definite answer. Maybe some people get an answer from God about it, but I always return to wonder. It is clear that life has an intrinsic aim and purpose to continue on and reproduce.
Is it something that happens by chance? Why not. Billions of years is an incomprehensible length of time.
Did God create this earth as in he intervened? Why not...




You don't have to reproduce, you don't have to reproduce to have purpose, you don't have to have purpose to live, nor do you have to remain alive if you don't so choose.

So within social limitations, like money and common decency, and without hurting someone w/ out their consent, go live it up. Better yet, if sounds like you might could use a week or three out in the woods



So my answer to reproducing as in, my own offspring, is that I feel like I could raise great humans into this world!


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26921772 - 09/06/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

InnerWisdom said:
Quote:

Tulipslave said:
Quote:

InnerWisdom said:
What is all this life that I see around me as I sit by a river? Or why is it? All these species of plants and the whole ecosystem fine tuned to keep on living, each organism in its niche.
There is just the wonder of never getting the definite answer. Maybe some people get an answer from God about it, but I always return to wonder. It is clear that life has an intrinsic aim and purpose to continue on and reproduce.
Is it something that happens by chance? Why not. Billions of years is an incomprehensible length of time.
Did God create this earth as in he intervened? Why not...




You don't have to reproduce, you don't have to reproduce to have purpose, you don't have to have purpose to live, nor do you have to remain alive if you don't so choose.

So within social limitations, like money and common decency, and without hurting someone w/ out their consent, go live it up. Better yet, if sounds like you might could use a week or three out in the woods



So my answer to reproducing as in, my own offspring, is that I feel like I could raise great humans into this world!





That's what everyone thinks :wink:


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Re: What is life? [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26922257 - 09/07/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No it's not. Most people have children unplanned or out of a responsibility or external motivators. How many are dedicated to the craft so to speak? It is a minority for sure and a reason why there is so much suffering among us.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26922320 - 09/07/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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No it's not. Most people have children unplanned or out of a responsibility or external motivators. How many are dedicated to the craft so to speak? It is a minority for sure and a reason why there is so much suffering among us.




Agreed.  But no matter what you do you will fuck up your kids.  But it's all good, that's the point, they choose their parents for a reason :lol:


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Re: What is life? [Re: Forrester]
    #26922746 - 09/07/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well yeah I see what you mean, but I wouldn't use the words fuck up to describe that. In the best case it's more like life lessons, nobody is perfect, even your own parents no matter how good they try to be.


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    #26923035 - 09/07/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You're not a parent yet are you?  :wink:


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Re: What is life? [Re: Forrester]
    #26923093 - 09/07/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Nope :lol:


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #26923131 - 09/07/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Life is infinite consciousness spending a short moment in a body. Life is the world of humans. Life is a movie in time and space.

It's a ride.
It's a test.
It's a journey.
It's a blessing.
It's a curse.
It's an illusion.
It's a game.

One wave rising from an ocean and crashing back. You are a singular unique person and everybody else at the same time. You experience life through a series of transitions, death and rebirths - for what purpose? Possibly to become more yourself. Growth happens. Change happens. I'll be here and you'll be there, and then I'll be there and you'll be here.

Life is made of language. Concepts. Thoughts. Context. It's a point of view and so much more.

Life is ineffable, mystic, magic, mystery. It's a bound existence existing in boundless potential. It's a direct confrontation with pleasure and pain and it's not quite clear what is beyond these two guardians of the mystery.

It's love, baby. Evolution. It's meaninglessness and despair for a while. It's abject terror and fear.

Tell me the story of your life, that's what it's about. I want to know the story and all the details. That's the point. Then I drop the story and experience infinity and eternity. The after-life?

Life is poetry and metaphor. Life is confusion. It's a question. It's a bunch of stepping stones.

101010101010 alphabet train banana love spoon rage fingernail truth

Life is God itself, come to pick up the pieces and find itself again. Playing Hide and Seek. Life is a mirror of the soul, reflecting back to us what is inside of us.

I don't know what life is. Sometimes I do when I am blasted off into another dimension. I can't keep it with me.

Life is this moment, struggling to say something profound about itself but devolving into clichés. Life is empty. Life is full.

Live life. No other choice.


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Re: What is life? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #26923169 - 09/07/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

it may be testy, but this is not a test.


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26923258 - 09/07/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I agree. It is what I thought about life at one point. I was experiencing intense "all or nothing" type thoughts and felt immense pressure to reach some kind of enlightened state so that I would pass into some new level.

This kind of trying to pin down life, for me as a youth, was a kind of semi-schizophrenic task and man I was good at it those years ago. I felt like I was close to the foundation or the answer and then a million more questions would arise (Life is a question).

At a certain point I had to give up this insane activity and let life be all those things mentioned and none of them.


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Re: What is life? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #26923492 - 09/07/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I believed other people knew where it was at and I wanted to find it,
they were mostly bluffing, but sometimes so good at it.

tricksters!

very admirable too.


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26924217 - 09/08/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps what is regarded as trickery at point A is factual at point B.
In support of this theory I propose that the custom of women bearing calabashes of burning coconut husks between their bare forearms is a localized phenomena.

      Satan's relocation in Rev:20 to the Abyss is a reflection of a sentiment to localize phenomena. It's not too far fetched then to assume that the centers of power, Mecca, Jerusalem and what-have-you, are the destinations in which to gather verifiable data.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26924279 - 09/08/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

presumptive trickster,
what are you talking about?
explain please.
(maybe not)


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Re: What is life? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26924520 - 09/08/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

that's hot news!


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26925308 - 09/08/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Life is some type of indeterminate communication between bodies.


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    #26925636 - 09/09/20 02:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There is indeterminate communication between bodies. Actually, it is how society runs at the higher levels! What you do to others in the moment, you feel. It's the main way police get to the bottom of things.


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    #26925741 - 09/09/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Life is some type of indeterminate communication between bodies.



I like how this sentence works.
approximate, relative, collaborative.


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26928861 - 09/10/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

hey
check out my new hat design available at the shroomery

I used the Wi-fi icon and the shroomery mushroom arrangement



it's in the shroomery swag store - called the redgreenvines signal strength hat!


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    #26928957 - 09/10/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you put some redgreenvine graffiti on a black coffee mug I'd purchase.  Hats are weak sauce.


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    #26929004 - 09/10/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

ha ha
they might have it at the swag shop


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    #26929588 - 09/11/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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hey
check out my new hat design available at the shroomery

I used the Wi-fi icon and the shroomery mushroom arrangement



it's in the shroomery swag store - called the redgreenvines signal strength hat!



Coincidence that the logo is right on top of the third eye?
I don't think so

:incredible:


that's a dope hat btw, I would purchase. Shipping probably too expensive. And do I want everyone to know or suspect I am a shroomhead.. :sad:


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26929589 - 09/11/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Btw I take 5% commission for advertising in my thread.
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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26929714 - 09/11/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

5% is cheap, but I thought TRUMP owned the thread like everything else.


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26929727 - 09/11/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He will never own my threads! :mad:


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    #26929991 - 09/11/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What is life? +
    #26891347 - 08/21/20 11:18 AM (21 days, 3 hours ago)
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InnerWisdom said:
....Did God create this earth as in he intervened? Why not...




Now its my turn to ask a question:
Why is it apparently so hard
for a large segment of the population past childhood
(when the question is always asked:
"And who created God?")
to understand that there can never be an ultimate cause?

What is being asked is for an answer that will satisfy the human mind.
Anyone can create a myth
such as:
the purple unicorn
created the green horse
which created everything else.
Primitive religions, by the hundreds, are full of such stories.
But they satisfy no modern adult.
Because we understand that it is impossible for the human mind to imagine a beginning to time.
It is only unthinking obedience to authority, that allows people to parrot such nonsense.

So Why is it apparently so hard
for a large segment of the population
to understand that there can never be an ultimate cause?
Why are folks so desperate to pretend they know  'things' or 'facts' that they obviously don't know?


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    #26930017 - 09/11/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

when was he interviewed?


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    #26930137 - 09/11/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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So Why is it apparently so hard
for a large segment of the population
to understand that there can never be an ultimate cause?
Why are folks so desperate to pretend they know  'things' or 'facts' that they obviously don't know?




I wonder why it bothers you so much what others choose to believe?


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Re: What is life? [Re: Forrester]
    #26930200 - 09/11/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Because..(searching for the right aphorism)...Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.



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    #26930337 - 09/11/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What a beautiful pair of eyes these beholders have to see with & through!


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    #26930390 - 09/11/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

laughingdog said:
So Why is it apparently so hard
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to understand that there can never be an ultimate cause?
Why are folks so desperate to pretend they know  'things' or 'facts' that they obviously don't know?




I wonder why it bothers you so much what others choose to believe?




What an assumption--that I am bothered !
I expressed curiosity!

secondly who the president is and what he does are the result of what others believe
& you better believe it bothers a lot of people, that other folks believe non-sense!
And if you are ever the defendant in a jury trial
your eyes may actually get opened
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    #26930545 - 09/11/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

it makes me so mad



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    #26930648 - 09/11/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There's an ironic syllogism in there somewhere if only I can pin it down.


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    #26931163 - 09/12/20 03:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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InnerWisdom said: Is it something that happens by chance? Why not. Billions of years is an incomprehensible length of time.
Did God create this earth as in he intervened? Why not...




I do believe it is something that happened by chance, like the likelihood of mineral deposits forming crystals.

If god was benevolent the things that exist wouldn't exist in my opinion.

Why not? If it is true god himself intervened, I think it would be obvious that he himself was the devil all along.


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Re: What is life? [Re: sudly]
    #26931172 - 09/12/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry God isn't the devil.. but I AM!!


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    #26931180 - 09/12/20 03:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's pretty obvious he is.

Worms in children's eyes, cancerous growths, suffering on a global scale.

For all the good, only the devil could extrapolate such evil.


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Re: What is life? [Re: sudly]
    #26931195 - 09/12/20 04:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The Devil sometimes takes what he can get?.


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Re: What is life? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26931206 - 09/12/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What doesn't share human emotions we label 'monster',
yet the human emotions of grief & pain cannot be ascribed to the Architect.

To imbue human values on something that isn't human isn't rational.


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Re: What is life? [Re: sudly]
    #26931254 - 09/12/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's pretty obvious he is.

Worms in children's eyes, cancerous growths, suffering on a global scale.

For all the good, only the devil could extrapolate such evil.



Holy!
I screw up several times per day.

For all the good lucky pretty things that live, the damaged and ugly things are a small proportion, but eventually all things become damaged and replaced with undamaged new forms, and a few broken ones in the next generation too.

Nature screws up occasionally. perfectly imperfect.

the devil is just in how you perceive trouble and pain and ugliness, while god is in how you perceive beauty and happiness.


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    #26931262 - 09/12/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's pretty obvious he is.

Worms in children's eyes, cancerous growths,




Perhaps you will agree that the evidence is circumstantial and unrelated to the character of an entity that might grant a petition to enjoy the perks of being an animal. However your dissatisfaction can be noted...


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    #26931263 - 09/12/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What is all this life that I see around me as I sit by a river? Or why is it? All these species of plants and the whole ecosystem fine tuned to keep on living, each organism in its niche.
There is just the wonder of never getting the definite answer. Maybe some people get an answer from God about it, but I always return to wonder. It is clear that life has an intrinsic aim and purpose to continue on and reproduce.
Is it something that happens by chance? Why not. Billions of years is an incomprehensible length of time.
Did God create this earth as in he intervened? Why not...




you can’t hunt for something if you have no idea what it is...

Are aliens hiding in plain sight?

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Bartlett, working with astrobiologist Michael Wong of the University of Washington in Seattle, argues that we need to escape the straitjacket of Earth-based thinking about life. They propose introducing a broader category called “lyfe” (pronounced, in an oddly West Country fashion, as “loif”), of which life as we know it is just one variation. “Our proposal attempts to break free of some of the potential prejudices due to us being part of this one instantiation of lyfe,” says Bartlett.

They suggest four criteria for lyfe:

1. It draws on energy sources in its environment that keep it from becoming uniform and unchanging.

2. It grows exponentially (for example by replication).

3. It can regulate itself to stay stable in a changing environment.

4. It learns and remembers information about that environment. Darwinian evolution is an example of such learning over very long timescales: genes preserve useful adaptations to particular circumstances.

The two researchers say there are “sublyfe” systems that only meet some of these criteria, and also perhaps “superlyfe” that meets additional ones: lyfe forms that have capabilities beyond ours and that might look on us as we do on complex but non-living processes such as crystal growth.


“Our hope is that this definition frees our imaginations enough to not miss lyfe that might be hiding in plain sight,” says Bartlett. He and Wong suggest that some lyving organisms might use energy sources untapped here on Earth, such as magnetic fields or kinetic energy, the energy of motion. “There is no known life form that directly harnesses kinetic energy into its metabolism,” says Bartlett.

They say there might be other ways of storing information than in genetic strands like DNA. Scientists have, for example, already devised artificial ways to store and process information using two-dimensional arrays of synthetic molecules, like checkerboard arrays or abacuses. Bartlett says that the distinction between lyfe and non-lyfe might be hazy: being “alyve” might be a matter of degree. After all, scientists already argue about whether viruses qualify – although no one doubts their ability to wreak havoc with life.

He’s sceptical of the notion in Nasa’s working definition that lyfe/life can only arise and develop by Darwinian evolution. He says that even terrestrial organisms can shape their behaviour in ways that don’t depend on Darwin’s mechanism of random mutations coupled to competition for resources that selects advantageous mutations. “While Darwinian evolution does of course occur, I think it needs to be augmented into a larger picture of biological learning,” he says.

...

Bartlett and Wong also question whether lyving things must have sharp physical boundaries. After all, while we might imagine that we are simply everything inside our skin, we depend on other organisms within us: the microbiome of bacteria in our guts. And some philosophers argue that our minds extend beyond our brains and bodies, for example into our technological devices. “We argue for lyfe being a process that probably happens on the scale of whole planets,” says Bartlett. Walker agrees that “the only natural boundary for living processes is the planetary” – reminiscent of Lovelock’s Gaia hypothesis.

But without some confining boundary for the molecular ingredients, says Rothschild, all the components of a living system would get diluted away in its environment, like droplets of ink in water. And Kershenbaum says separate, bounded organisms are needed if evolution is Darwinian, because only then is there something else to compete with.

Walker thinks that in fact Bartlett and Wong don’t go far enough in trying to free ideas about life from terracentrism. Their notion of lyfe, she says, “is kicking down the road many of the problems pervasive in current definitions of life by coming up with a broader definition based on existing ones. It still shares many of the same basic problems. We don’t need new definitions for life. What we need is new theories getting at the underlying principles that govern living physics in our universe.”




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Re: What is life? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26931339 - 09/12/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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sudly said:
I think it's pretty obvious he is.

Worms in children's eyes, cancerous growths,




Perhaps you will agree that the evidence is circumstantial and unrelated to the character of an entity that might grant a petition to enjoy the perks of being an animal. However your dissatisfaction can be noted...




The character of this entity seems to be rather ephemeral.

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In Christian heresiology, there have been historical claims that certain Christian sects worshipped the devil. This was especially an issue in the reaction of the early Church to Gnosticism and its dualism, where the creator deity is understood as a demiurge inferior to the actual, transcendent God




Divide and rule seems to be the strategy to me, create the devil and cast him in to hell for disobeying, create sin, adhere sin to the devil, and show contempt for sin. Thereby creating an enemy to hate, a way to control your populations and keep them in line. 

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By the Book of Revelation, Satan has become an apocalyptic beast, determined to overthrow god and heaven.

He was an adversary but not an ­active enemy. Throughout the Middle Ages Satan evolved into an aggressive, malignant force set on tormenting as many human souls as possible.

People were no longer seen as merely deceived by Satan, but in active collusion with him against God. By this time in European history, the devil no longer sat passively. Taking an active role, Satan is present in the world, stealing souls and recruiting people to do his bidding.

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Re: What is life? [Re: sudly]
    #26931351 - 09/12/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

we are the the creator deity that is understood as a demiurge inferior to the actual, transcendent God who we become when we are in that lovely zone with the spirit shekina etc.


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26931438 - 09/12/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The Golden Calf, youth, the golden boy, is our favorite, undoubtedly.


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Re: What is life? [Re: sudly]
    #26931477 - 09/12/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Buster_Brown said:
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sudly said:
I think it's pretty obvious he is.

Worms in children's eyes, cancerous growths,




Perhaps you will agree that the evidence is circumstantial and unrelated to the character of an entity that might grant a petition to enjoy the perks of being an animal. However your dissatisfaction can be noted...




The character of this entity seems to be rather ephemeral.





Perhaps it is Sudly who is ephemeral.


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    #26931507 - 09/12/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

In fact I would say that is a very selfish thing to do.  To equate the extent of god with one's own limitations.  Unacceptable !


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26931531 - 09/12/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

In designing a system it seems odd to me to add pitfalls and traps. Yes there are complicated ecosystems with complex relations, but a benevolent entity wouldn't make those mistakes.

You make a worm that has a lifecycle in children's eyes, fly larvae that burrow into flesh, mosquitos that carry disease etc.

If the world is designed by an entity, it was not thought out or fair or just or kind in my view.

A creating entity choosing dangerous systems over entirely good ones, is no better than the devil to me.

Most worms are fine eating leaf litter, so why make one that eats eyes?

Why do that? Why choose to? Why that specific diversity? Could the entity deflect blame and say evolution led to such diversity? If so, did they make the first life then let evolution do the rest? Was it a hands off creation? Or intentional evil?
Or even unintentional evil through incompetence?

Is such a creative entity benevolant and all knowing, or malevolent and undermining?

Such evil creation speaks for itself in my view.


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Re: What is life? [Re: sudly]
    #26931585 - 09/12/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Could the entity deflect blame and say evolution led to such diversity?




Of course.  I think you are falsely accusing the entity of being malevolent.  Real malevolence would be if you kept your child away from the worms and yet they ate his or her eyes anyway.  In this way the world seems fair, at least to me.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26931610 - 09/12/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You could move many kilometres and be unable to avoid them if you live in West or central Africa.

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Background

Loiasis, commonly known as "African eye worm," is an infectious disease caused by the nematode Loa loa, which is transmitted to humans via the bite from one of two female Chrysops deerfly species: Chrysops silacea and Chrysops dimidiata. The risk of infection is highest in the rainforests of West and Central Africa and during the rainy season, when the deerfly (or mango fly or mangrove fly, as they are commonly known) are most prevalent. It is estimated that 3-13 million people have loiasis. It is estimated that more than 10 million people have loiasis, with over 14 million people at risk for infection.

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Re: What is life? [Re: sudly]
    #26931626 - 09/12/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Harsh but perfectly fair.  :shrug:


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    #26931843 - 09/12/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

G-d does nothing without a purpose, and his ways are frequently hidden from humans.  G-d created all, the highest and the lowest.  G-d made every creeping thing on the earth after his kind, and G-d saw that it was good.  the Creator would not have instructed every creeping thing to multiply, had he not in his infinite wisdom provided them with food.  those worms exercise the inalienable rights conferred on them at the time, and they are rights which man has no power to curtail.  they are entitled to sustenance.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26931844 - 09/12/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Sure there's a
♫🎶 Band with a desperate desire for a change ♫🎶

But they're higher on the totem pole than I am and could probably explain things better about why it comes down to the Golden Calf to light the way.


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    #26931848 - 09/12/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

How hungry do we have to be before we start eyeing the golden calf not as idol - but as fodder?


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    #26931854 - 09/12/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That whole Soylent Green thing is blown out of proportion. Of course when we are living in space we will recycle everything.


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    #26931860 - 09/12/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Once we learn to recycle the recyclers we’ll be set for space.


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    #26931866 - 09/12/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Sure, we'd rather be a hammer than a nail
if we only could.


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    #26931872 - 09/12/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Nails made out of hammers & hammers made out of nails and all that.


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    #26931884 - 09/12/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Back to the metaphor about Moses bringing down the Commandments and finding his flock rebelling and following the Golden Calf because  ♫🎶 The band ♫🎶 deemed the commandments too strict.


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    #26931900 - 09/12/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The third tablet was an iPad.

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    #26931904 - 09/12/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Let's cast The Blind Ass in the role of the Golden Calf and see how he lights the way:
Obviously he is a revolutionary and no one is safe from him without locking their doors and living in fear.


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    #26932097 - 09/12/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I feel as though the role has been thrust upon me.  I am I’ll suited for such a task, though I will do my best and give it my all.

Oh wait a second - hold up - I’m having a vision now - a prescient vision of what’s to come if I take up this role...
My followers will wish to become One with me, and in missing the obvious unbegotten & involuntary primordial unity of all ...delusively attempt to literally devour me.... but, idk if I’m down for that.

I suppose it would makes me a bit like Jesus Christ now.  So go ahead my fellows! Eat my body & drink my blood!  In whatever way that you interpret such a proposition  - go for it.......what’s the worst that could happen!?  :uhoh:  Wait a second now...weren’t there 2 golden calves?

If I’m doing it then Buster Brown has to be one too, or RGV, or someone... pls halp....save me

Here’s my “vision”.  (Context: My body = the bovine, while the Fox = one of my “disciples/followers”)



And here’s the “vision“ I had before the previous one..



Why do they do this to me?  why do they worship me in such fashion & in this profane manner?! Why!!?!!
Why has my father forsaken me?  :runaway:  :willynilly:  :bouncey:




Screw this!  Keep your precious golden calf!  I’m going to go to rewatch Star Trek: Deep Space 9!


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    #26932161 - 09/12/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

May you live in interesting times.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26932235 - 09/12/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

We always do.


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26932327 - 09/12/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

mouth to mouth with a cow's butt.
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    #26932391 - 09/12/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Harsh but perfectly fair.  :shrug:




Thank heck we don't live in Africa ey..


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Re: What is life? [Re: sudly]
    #26932435 - 09/12/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So is this something that a simple wormer would settle? Thus placing the onerous duty of prevention upon the sufferer and concerned alike?


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    #26932621 - 09/12/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A photosynthetic worm would do :thumbup:


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Re: What is life? [Re: sudly]
    #26932898 - 09/13/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’d like it if we had the worms of Arrakis here on earth...it might...spice things up a bit.


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    #26932999 - 09/13/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I’d like it if we had the worms of Arrakis here on earth...it might...spice things up a bit.





Dune could be D'Une (The One) making the book vaguely prophetic.

Who controls the spice?

Neo was the 'One' in the Matrix- NEO- anagram of ONE

The tagline, "There can be only one", Highlander Film suggests a constant flux in the position of 'one', indeed everything is geared (popular culture, personalities you meet) towards replacing the current one with another. And what is the constant in culture and The Blind Ass? Violence:

A line from Pink Floyd
"Killing the past and coming back to life"

But it's not that, it's the word "No" (almost the opposite of "One")

You're an unassigned supportive element and in that principle I can't forbid you. Hey, you want to kill each other? Pshaww, I'm not going to stop you.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26933098 - 09/13/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

We’re all chilling together on this fine Sunday morning.



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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26933115 - 09/13/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

we have forest fires instead of giant worms.
how shall we ride the fires?


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    #26933122 - 09/13/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I bet Liet Kynes, the planetologist/ecologist of Arrakis, would have a thing or two to say about it!

Meanwhile, Muad'Dib already knows the answer & how it will all play out, and all of its infinite potentials & actualities.


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    #26933180 - 09/13/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

you must mean Greta Thunberg


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    #26933262 - 09/13/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ha.  Good association right there!  Might as well ask her too!  The closer something is to your face, the harder it is to make out what it is that you are actually seeing.

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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26933302 - 09/13/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Meanwhile, Muad'Dib already knows the answer





Implicating the Muses in a conspiracy to change L'une is a start anyway.


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26933306 - 09/13/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

asperger style remote viewing I guess


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Re: What is life? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26933312 - 09/13/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Paul’s prescient vision takes the gamboling out of gambling.


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26933497 - 09/13/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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prescient vision




I foresee an impetus to the Space Program; after all, if L'une with it's empty smile is no longer relegated to the abyss, where will it go?


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Re: What is life? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26933535 - 09/13/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Should L’une rise up from it I would think it appropriate to give it a good thwack.


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26933673 - 09/13/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

getting looney here for sure


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