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What is life?
    #26891347 - 08/21/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What is all this life that I see around me as I sit by a river? Or why is it? All these species of plants and the whole ecosystem fine tuned to keep on living, each organism in its niche.
There is just the wonder of never getting the definite answer. Maybe some people get an answer from God about it, but I always return to wonder. It is clear that life has an intrinsic aim and purpose to continue on and reproduce.
Is it something that happens by chance? Why not. Billions of years is an incomprehensible length of time.
Did God create this earth as in he intervened? Why not...


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #26891353 - 08/21/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

life is sticky beauty wet rhythmic progressive


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
    #26891436 - 08/21/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Creepy beautiful lovely intelligent mysterious energy organized magically by the Buddha.


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26891448 - 08/21/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just think if everybody looked the same and we only had one kind of tree...Thank God for variety. (someone went overboard in the insect realm tho)


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Re: What is life? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26891471 - 08/21/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
Creepy beautiful lovely intelligent mysterious energy organized magically by the Buddha.



This Buddha was some magician!


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Re: What is life? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26891478 - 08/21/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, that would be boring as hell! Thank God for variety indeed (because we didn't create it). Insects are fucking fascinating!

Check out this ant war:


and this horny son of a bitch:


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26891699 - 08/21/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Couldn't wonder be translated as meaninglessness?  Wonder being the positive expression for the suspension of belief, meaninglessness being the negative expression. 

I'm curious what grants you the positive expression for uncertainty?


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26891733 - 08/21/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have no idea. Do you?


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26891759 - 08/21/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just a bit confused by your original post.  You say wonder is the reward for not having a definite answer but sex and reproduction are the intrinsic aims of life and that this is clear.  So that is a question mark for me. 

Are you saying that reproduction itself is not a definite answer to life?


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26892005 - 08/21/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

meaningless means no meaning - so - neither positive or negative.

otherwise it could have some meaning and would not be meaningless


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Re: What is life? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26892015 - 08/21/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

K so there is the suspension of belief.  On the positive side you have joyous wonder and on the negative side you have, what, anxiety.  Deep crippling anxiety ?

At any rate, I want to know what grants the positive expression in this case.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26892044 - 08/21/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

We behold at all times.  Just sometimes we dig ourselves into a thought-verse which evokes one emotion or another.


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26892049 - 08/21/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So randomness.  There wouldn't be a hidden zeal that allows Innerwisdom to enjoy uncertainty?


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26892060 - 08/21/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Nameless wonder of wonders you do strike me so that I may be paused to toy with joy or terror - often mixed and in error - but sometimes it’s on the money and supremely aware.


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26892065 - 08/21/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wonder as something outside the self.  Which implies mysticism.  Which implies a hidden zeal in the positive expression.  Anxiety being a lack of faith to use a trigger word.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26892165 - 08/21/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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InnerWisdom said:
What is all this life that I see around me as I sit by a river? Or why is it? ...




“the pregnant void—an infinite field of nothingness bursting with potentialities”

-Shanghaied for the occasion from Derek Lin 


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Re: What is life? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26892272 - 08/21/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

start with any tropism and select for the light (joyous) rather than the dark (painful), unless the sun is too bright, when you might want to select for the shade, or for a synchronized movement alternating from or toward extremes.

this is how a living thing manages - it's second nature you might say.


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Re: What is life? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26892376 - 08/21/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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InnerWisdom said:
What is all this life that I see around me as I sit by a river? Or why is it?




.  Well Alan Watts, who liked 'Zen' answers, since he couldn't hit you on the internet, & wasn't really into smacking folks anyway, would just say: "You are it!"

.  The science answer seems to be that its no different from the rest of the universe - (and couldn't possibly be different) whatever it is.
.  At the level of molecules, atoms, then elementary particles, then quarks, & who knows what, waves, particles and energy seem to all become indistinguishable, or constantly transforming into one another, at an incomprehensible speed.
.  This makes what we say about life per say, in a philosophical sense, seem irrelevant to me, and the "You are it!" answer, to be actually not just cute, but much more to the point.

. I enjoy Alan's writing, but when I hear recordings of his voice on  the net, it seems quite strange.


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26892619 - 08/21/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm just a bit confused by your original post.  You say wonder is the reward for not having a definite answer but sex and reproduction are the intrinsic aims of life and that this is clear.  So that is a question mark for me. 

Are you saying that reproduction itself is not a definite answer to life?



From the point of view of a human it is not the definite answer, but one obvious one when it comes to the question why is all this life here and what is its purpose. What the wondering is about is that what is beyond that level if anything? Because life seems at the same time to be randomly organized yet intricate, and aiming to thrive and grow all the time.
It is actually the growing and evolving that I wonder about, probably because I was not here to witness it. Just suddenly I am here and indeed I am it as well!


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Re: What is life? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26892623 - 08/21/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So randomness.  There wouldn't be a hidden zeal that allows Innerwisdom to enjoy uncertainty?



I'm not sure what you mean by uncertainty.  Because it is certain that all this life is here, all the time. Where it came from is uncertain, but it certainly did come from somewhere.


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