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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Cherry44]
    #26896435 - 08/24/20 05:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No you can't die from taking psilocybin mushrooms, nor will you get any damage to your body at all. If you think you die, that's just the effect of the substance in your mind


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26896843 - 08/24/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Okay thank you so much for you help


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Cherry44]
    #26896966 - 08/24/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You should have probably known this already before taking them though :lol:


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26898724 - 08/25/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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"Mushrooms are a food, eat until you are full"
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You cannot physically overdose on mushrooms... Unless you eat enough to pop your stomach... But thats another problem entirely.





Does Roger still believe that? I think I recall seeing posts regarding mushrooms that were a little more circumspect as the years wore on. In any case, it's really bad and reckless advice. Just because a drug has a relatively high ld50 doesn't mean you cannot still die inadvertently, or do yourself some serious (PSTD) damage.

The oft-repeated idea that one needs to be a predisposed fruitcake in order to experience psychosis from psychedelics is a prodrug fallacy, as a lot of people who have consumed way too much/many legal edibles have apparently been finding in recent years.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: wolf8312]
    #26898798 - 08/25/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think the "eat your fill statement, you won't die" is more aimed at people who might be concerned that after eating 7 grams think they broke universal duality and are going to die. For myself on particularly heavy trips it's been reassuring knowing that I'm not actually dying.

Sure warning labels need to be in bolded, capital, 2 inch letters for some folk. Your average person wouldn't consider eating 30g after trying 5g. As well as how hard it would be to do, self preservation instinct would kick in. I guess it's wise to not underestimate the stupidity of humans though.


I thought the advice that you won't experience psychosis unless you had a predisposition was about cannabis? A trip itself is tantamount to a psychotic episode.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Northerner]
    #26898866 - 08/25/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sure you can die from symptoms caused by mushrooms
Sure you can get PTSD.

But as far as direct action it's not the mushrooms that cause those. Its a variety of other factors


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26898871 - 08/25/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Afaik you generally need a predisposed physical weakness to die. Like a heart condition or something like that.

PTSD is definitely a real threat though. Every person I know who has taken mega doses it's put them on the back foot for a good long while. Derealization, trauma, psychosis... all the not so fun stuff they warn about in the textbooks.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Northerner]
    #26898885 - 08/25/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you get bad enough anxiety you can give yourself a heart attack.
Weed helps.

You could be dumb and do something to kill yourself


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26898930 - 08/25/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ime weed antagonizes anxiety for most people, makes them peak harder and freak more.

It's scary the amount of people who do stuff like to swimming at night in the ocean while tripping. It's not quite Darwin Award stuff, but geez. Pretty dumb thing to do. Could probably have a whole thread of stupid things not to do while tripping, more than a few of us have had near misses no doubt.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Northerner]
    #26898987 - 08/25/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I took a 4 hour ling shower once. Came out with blue lips babbling like an idiot


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26899011 - 08/25/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:

I went go karting once and freaked out a bit so pulled over, got out of the kart and almost got run over by another kart.  :facepalm:


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26899571 - 08/25/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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If you get bad enough anxiety you can give yourself a heart attack.
Weed helps.

You could be dumb and do something to kill yourself





You could always be dumb and kill yourself but you can't "give yourself a heart attack" thanks to mushrooms direct effect, no matter how fucked up you might be.  :pleasetellmemore:

Of course it might FEEL like you're dying, as the OP has illustrated...

Which is something else entirely, and though vividly real like other sorts of hallucinations does not really pose an existential threat to the body's continued health.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26899623 - 08/25/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Im not saying the mushrooms. Im saying its the anxiety. There's a link between chronic anxiety and heart attack


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26899627 - 08/25/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No healthy person is gonna have a heart attack from a panic attack.
Only someone with CVDs or dangerous arrhythmias. In which case, don't do drugs!


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26899634 - 08/25/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Chronic anxiety is a persistent condition over a long period and certainly causes heart attacks, all the time. Acute anxiety however is a sudden onset episode, eg: fight of flight reaction, and is very unlikely to cause a heart attack in healthy people.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Northerner]
    #26899911 - 08/26/20 05:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the "eat your fill statement, you won't die" is more aimed at people who might be concerned that after eating 7 grams think they broke universal duality and are going to die. For myself on particularly heavy trips it's been reassuring knowing that I'm not actually dying.

Sure warning labels need to be in bolded, capital, 2 inch letters for some folk. Your average person wouldn't consider eating 30g after trying 5g. As well as how hard it would be to do, self preservation instinct would kick in. I guess it's wise to not underestimate the stupidity of humans though.


I thought the advice that you won't experience psychosis unless you had a predisposition was about cannabis? A trip itself is tantamount to a psychotic episode.




IME the fine line between a trip and psychosis tends to be how one reacts, or that which ones own mind compels him to react to. I honestly do believe (especially with cannabis) that panic and fear (adrenaline perhaps) combined with cannabis is a factor apart from the substance itself, and is a major contributor in a drug-induced psychosis.

I personally define myself as psychotic once I start hearing auditory hallucinations and experiencing delusions. But I guess it's quite possible that some people may be having nice delusions and hearing kindly auditory hallucinations telling them how lovely they are, whereas I'm being told I stink and am going to be butt raped and murdered! From here two different people may go off in two completely different directions depending upon what they experience, who they are, and how they react to whatever it is their subconscious is showing them about themselves.

Some people are just not affected by psychedelics in the same way as others and as far from the psychotic extreme of the spectrum as possible, though with no work needed to be done, I would imagine they also tend to get less transformative experiences.

I heard Myra Hindley (a child murderer) was smoking weed in prison! If true, to my mind, that is the greatest proof she was a psychopath (murdering kids was my first clue!) because as Cannabis merely magnifies what is already there, it demonstrates she was not in any way afflicted with the anxiety, or guilt, that plagues the rest of us, especially had we done, as she had. Had she cared anything about her victims, one toke should have landed her in a rubber room!

I will never combine Cannabis with psychedelics again personally because although in times passed wonderful, once opened, there are some doors that cannot be so easily closed again...


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: wolf8312] * 1
    #26900055 - 08/26/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I will never combine Cannabis with psychedelics again personally because although in times passed wonderful, once opened, there are some doors that cannot be so easily closed again...




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Very true in general.  Be careful with new doors.  They get hidden away & locked up for a reason.  To keep something in - or to keep something out.  Busting in with limited knowledge and a sledgehammer in order to find out what’s behind each one can kill you or make you wish you were dead.  So be mindful of the doors!  Not that all of them are dangerous tho - but the worst culprits initially appear benign and pleasant - just a precaution to those getting into drug taking, some are better left closed.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26900158 - 08/26/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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wolf8312 said:

I will never combine Cannabis with psychedelics again personally because although in times passed wonderful, once opened, there are some doors that cannot be so easily closed again...




:whathesaid:

Very true in general.  Be careful with new doors.  They get hidden away & locked up for a reason.  To keep something in - or to keep something out.  Busting in with limited knowledge and a sledgehammer in order to find out what’s behind each one can kill you or make you wish you were dead.  So be mindful of the doors!  Not that all of them are dangerous tho - but the worst culprits initially appear benign and pleasant - just a precaution to those getting into drug taking, some are better left closed.




What amazes me is how a lifetime of experience with various substances, or combinations of these substances, and the mind's reactions to these substances, can in the future open doors to hidden realities that a persons younger self had no access to, or even awareness of, despite using much larger doses of the very same substances!

It's as if experience (often very grim experience) is now a drug in and of itself that contributes massively to where I am/was taken. But really I guess as with the DMT breakthrough to hyperspace, with greater experience, a person becomes more attuned to the frequencies, and his accumulated baggage becomes both his set and setting.

It's interesting that people, in general, do not seem to think of cannabis as a breakthrough experience with its own door/s. But the squishy metaphysical reality behind its own doors can be as astounding and terrifying as some of the most potent psychedelics known to man (it is one of the most potent psychedelics known to me).

More to be honest, because with something like Anahuasca there was always that protecting presence nearby, as well as the protection afforded by being pinned down by the force of the experience and unable to move.

Surrendering to death with some of my cannabis/psychedelic experiences was like surrendering to the real thing, and that is/was never easy. In fact, it took me years, and only then when I gazed unflinchingly into death it was not without fear but more a contemptuous fuck you, no more of this shit.

But... you might win a few battles but the war will still go on...


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: wolf8312]
    #26900195 - 08/26/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I had a psychotic experience with cannabis myself that soon subsided as the peak of the high did. Basically my own anxiety about my insecurities got magnified to an extent that I couldn't handle. It wasn't like my anxiety felt worse than other times but the way it crept into every place of my mind created an experience that caused my mind to make powerful interpretations of my surroundings. I was with two people in a pizza place with a lot of noise. I kind of understood what was going on as I heard people talk about me. 30 mins later I explained to the two people I was with what happened as I was now aware what had happened. The psychotic state of mind lasted only about 5 or 10 mins thank God.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26900212 - 08/26/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah screw that noise.


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