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Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of
    #26890841 - 08/20/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

A abit over a year ago I had a bad trip on shrooms. I have recently been extremely anxious over it try to figure out my feelings and thoughts. I stupidly didn’t do my research before hand and took to much the shrooms definitely showed me who’s boss. I had tripped of acid before but nothing like this.
5.30-6
We took 5 grams each then they kicked in around 45 minutes later. Partner and I started to melt into the couch and giggle but both felt a bit odd. I kept needing to pee and when I would go to the toilet felt like I was walking really fast.
6.30-7
My partner asked me if I wanted to go have a shower this is where it all started to go down hill, I told him to go get it started. When I went to jump in the shower the steam was to much and anxiety started to kick in. I quickly got out and went and laid back down in the lounge room in the fetal position. This is when I looked at my phone and thought time wasn’t moving. I started to get very distressed asking my partner what if it’s a different day, I have work and commitments, should we call an ambulance, should we call someone, the feeling was nothing like I had ever felt before.
7.30-8
My partner trying to calm me down and telling me I need to relax and time is moving decided to call one of my closest friends. When I spoke to her I was asking her if I am actually speaking to her saying “am I actually speaking to you” over and over she reassured me I was and that I was just tripping and that it would eventually wear off and to try and stay calm.
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I calmed down for a couple of minutes and soon was freaking out once again by this point my partner was getting a bit irritated with me as I wasn’t listening to him tell me I need to relax and time was actually moving. He said come on lets just go to bed and try sleep it off.
8.30-10.30
We went to bed and laid down with the light turned off this is where my memory goes abit funny. I don’t remember being able to see anything or feel anything apart from what I was thinking my partners voice was turning devilish in my head and I thought I had died and this is what happens to you when you die I think I was stuck in this weird loop glitch kind of thing every time it went around my partners voice was getting more devilish we where say all the loving things we usually say to each other “I love you so much” “never leave me” etc.  I thought eventually I was just going to be stuck in the loop with my own thoughts alone the more as my partners voice got more devilish. I was terrified of him leaving me. I thought of what my family would think when they found me dead. I really needed to pee and had in my head if I did my partners voice would be gorn. I came to the point where I couldn’t hold it I told him and he said just pee not thinking I actually would but I did a little. He was like omg go to the toilet that’s when I started to come out of it, he turned the light on and I got up and went to the toilet still kinda out of it not know what the heck was going on. I shouted out to him making sure he was still there while I was finishing my pee (so weird), I came back to the bedroom and have never been so happy in my whole life screaming I’m alive I’m alive to my partner that ses you have been alive this whole time, this point it was about 10.30. I cried of happiness which made him cry we cuddled and told each other that we never want be without each other how much we love each other coming in and out eventually wore off. I was speaking to my partner and he said no idea I was having such a bad experience in bed apparently I was talking to him the whole time normal saying all the loving things, I even sat up for a drink of water and even offered it to him. I was laughing at one point he said I can’t remember any of this. At the time I was like that omg that was a horrible bad trip and didn’t think much off it. But recently I had the thought what if I actually did died and have extremely bad ptsd for months thinking about it over and over in my head, trying to make sense of it all. Just wanted to share my story with you guys and get your opinion.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Cherry44] * 1
    #26892181 - 08/21/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I almost always experience something along these lines when I trip, at least for a little while. The key is resilience and solid self-soothing skills. For me, that requires a good base of knowledge about what I am doing.

For example, knowing that shrooms are the safest drug in the world, and people have survived doses of 50 dried grams with no issues is very helpful. Knowing that effects are temporary and will go away is very helpful. Once the conviction sets in--that you are going to die, that you never even existed at all, that the experience will never end, that the entire universe is an illusion and everything will cease to exist now that you realize it--it often will not go away. Being able to mentally return to the knowledge I have burnt into my brain is very helpful.

Now, that doesn't fix anything. When you're stuck in a thought loop, well, it loops. Reassuring yourself can interrupt the loop, but it will probably start again immediately. You can get through it, though, with coping strategies.

A number of times, I've become convinced that my teeth had shattered. They felt jagged and broken, and on some occasions, I swore I could feel tooth fragments moving around in my mouth. Well, I just kept telling myself that if this was indeed the case, I could evaluate that when I wasn't tripping anymore. I had to do that over and over again, but I still never panicked.

Time not moving? Well, time can't stop. It's a dimension, like length and width. The way that we experience it is not accurate to its essential nature. If you start to experience it differently, and you start to feel anxious about that, you can just return to the reassurance that later, it will feel normal again.

Acceptance is also a great way to cope. If you are too far removed from reality for your knowledge to be any help, just accept it. Nothing really exists? Okay, good. Every time the anxiety starts to rise, just say to yourself, "Good." It's fine. If everything is really terrifying and horrible, well, fine. You'll make it through anyway.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Cherry44] * 1
    #26892261 - 08/21/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

dosed too high, fragments of your sane personality attempted to correct what was uncorrectable and not in trouble either.

No blame for this "sanity" habit.

if you took a bit less (maybe half) you would not see time stop completely, or suddenly attempt to invoke help from a higher authority.

still many people wish they got that stoned so easily.

anyway, as far as I can see psychedelic drugs affect our sense of time passing in a huge way, more intensely as you dose higher.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Cherry44] * 1
    #26892509 - 08/21/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

On large doses time does really strange things.  You probably should expect that and not get anxious over it.

Other advice is all good, but there comes a point in tripping heavy where you just have to lose your concerns and go with it.  Fighting that flow results in all kinds of problems, and delivers the infamous "bad trip". :cookiemonster:

Because you can't really fight it. :laugh2:


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26892764 - 08/22/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Very well put dsc.

The best way to get through any emotional endeavor, weather tripping or not is to focus on nice deep breaths and repeat to yourself 'this too shall pass' we are here to experience.

Time seems like an illuion because it is, in fact, relative.
The only time we have to improove our situation is the present so that's all we can focus on, what can i do right now to improove my situation? In your case i would have given you ways to pass the time like coloring or jenga, brought you fruit and water, maybe watch the Wizard of oz with dark side of the moon dubbed over it
To get through a bad trip you need to think like the hack Edison who said "i didn't fail 10,000 times to make the light bulb, i learned 10,000 ways not to make a lightbulb."
The important thing is what did you take from the experience?


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Cherry44] * 1
    #26892812 - 08/22/20 02:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you ever find yourself in that spot again where time is standing still put on some music.  Whether Pink Floyd or whatever you like the music ‘drives’ the time and gives you a past/present/future base of reality to hold on to.  Plus it helps you drift off and kinda ride your thoughts.  I’ve found Icaros are surprisingly affective at doing this (who would have thought?)

This is a good lesson though for you.  All those panic thoughts and feeling of worry are the ones you must not get wrapped up in.  Set and setting - make sure you’re in a safe spot to where if shit hits the fan you know you can lay in a ball in your bed and just wait for however long it takes.  Know that you’ll be fine.  Feeding into those panic thoughts are what get people into trouble.  I know it’s easier said than done in the moment but it’s how it’s gotta be.

I’d like to think another silver lining is that it sounds like you and your partner have stronger bond because of this experience and have a renewed perspective on how much you love each other.

One last thing that could help is to have a soft, mellow night light that you could turn on so that it’s still dark but the visuals will give you a sort of reference and a foothold for you to hold onto your surroundings similar to how the music does with time.  A nice cool blue or green seems to be more calming and relaxing than reds or yellows etc but it’s whatever works for you.  Dark silence can get disorienting sometimes.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Amanita86]
    #26892824 - 08/22/20 02:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I agree with this music as a way to keep rooted to reality if it is too terrifying.
I havent had such an experience myself, but I understood during one trip this effect of music, particularly rhythmic music.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Cherry44]
    #26892860 - 08/22/20 03:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Cherry44 said:
A abit over a year ago I had a bad trip on shrooms. I have recently been extremely anxious over it try to figure out my feelings and thoughts. I stupidly didn’t do my research before hand and took to much the shrooms definitely showed me who’s boss. I had tripped of acid before but nothing like this.
5.30-6
We took 5 grams each then they kicked in around 45 minutes later. Partner and I started to melt into the couch and giggle but both felt a bit odd. I kept needing to pee and when I would go to the toilet felt like I was walking really fast.
6.30-7
My partner asked me if I wanted to go have a shower this is where it all started to go down hill, I told him to go get it started. When I went to jump in the shower the steam was to much and anxiety started to kick in. I quickly got out and went and laid back down in the lounge room in the fetal position. This is when I looked at my phone and thought time wasn’t moving. I started to get very distressed asking my partner what if it’s a different day, I have work and commitments, should we call an ambulance, should we call someone, have I died the feeling was nothing like I had ever felt before.
7.30-8
My partner trying to calm me down and telling me I need to relax and time is moving decided to call one of my closest friends. When I spoke to her I was asking her if I am actually speaking to her saying “am I actually speaking to you” over and over she reassured me I was and that I was just tripping and that it would eventually wear off and to try and stay calm.
8
I calmed down for a couple of minutes and soon was freaking out once again by this point my partner was getting a bit irritated with me as I wasn’t listening to him tell me I need to relax and time was actually moving. He said come on lets just go to bed and try sleep it off.
8.30-10.30
We went to bed and laid down with the light turned off this is where my memory goes abit funny. I don’t remember being able to see anything or feel anything apart from what I was thinking my partners voice was turning devilish in my head and I thought I had died and this is what happens to you when you die I think I was stuck in this weird loop glitch kind of thing every time it went around my partners voice was getting more devilish we where say all the loving things we usually say to each other “I love you so much” “never leave me” etc.  I thought eventually I was just going to be stuck in the loop with my own thoughts alone the more as my partners voice got more devilish. I was terrified of him leaving me. I thought of what my family would think when they found me dead. I really needed to pee and had in my head if I did my partners voice would be gorn. I came to the point where I couldn’t hold it I told him and he said just pee not thinking I actually would but I did a little. He was like omg go to the toilet that’s when I started to come out of it, he turned the light on and I got up and went to the toilet still kinda out of it not know what the heck was going on. I shouted out to him making sure he was still there while I was finishing my pee (so weird), I came back to the bedroom and have never been so happy in my whole life screaming I’m alive I’m alive to my partner that ses you have been alive this whole time, this point it was about 10.30. I cried of happiness which made him cry we cuddled and told each other that we never want be without each other how much we love each other coming in and out eventually wore off. I was speaking to my partner and he said no idea I was having such a bad experience in bed apparently I was talking to him the whole time normal saying all the loving things, I even sat up for a drink of water and even offered it to him. I was laughing at one point he said I can’t remember any of this. At the time I was like that omg that was a horrible bad trip and didn’t think much off it. But recently I had the thought what if I actually did died and have extremely bad ptsd for months thinking about it over and over in my head, trying to make sense of it all. Just wanted to share my story with you guys and get your opinion.





Its extremely simple to make sense of this: You Took Too Much.

This is why responsible Shroomerites advise to start small.

What you describe sounds like pure overload.

I trip since 1993. Still if someone offered me $1000 to take 5 grams I'd say no.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26892879 - 08/22/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Cherry44]
    #26892885 - 08/22/20 04:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like the appreciation for life and your relationship after the trip made this not such a bad trip after all. :manofapproval:


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26893077 - 08/22/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It’s the “bad trips” that often times teach us the most. I had a similar experience on NYE years ago...

Here is why I’m a bit nervous with mushrooms...

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MadHatter333 said:
Sometimes it’s best to find the answers within yourself. If someone feels comfortable taking 4g to have a mind opening experience that’s fine. If someone wants to go full blown and do more that’s completely their trip. I personally enjoy a mild trip myself.

I’ve experienced a level five mushroom trip on azures at a NYE event four years back. I took the azures, not sure how much. Was morphing into the wall I was standing on. My friend sat me down on a couch where I sat for what seemed like lifetimes upon lifetimes. I was dying, being reborn, dying, being reborn, etc.. it was the most intense experience of my life.

For a while it felt like I couldn’t breathe and this being of white light breathed fresh air into my lungs. I couldn’t talk afterwords or barely walk. My reality was torn open! Not something you want to experience to often. Unless you love it.

Not saying it not great. But there’s a limit to how much you can seriously put your mind/body/spirit through.




After I came out of that trip I had such a deep appreciation for life. It took me a long time to process what happened that night. I was flipping through lives and at one point I was in the underworld with demonds. There was light and dark in that trip. It was scary but both are a part of life and death.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Cherry44] * 1
    #26893106 - 08/22/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Some good posts here, I'll just add that I've tripped hundreds of times.. I'm thinking 250-300. I've definitely had experiences like this. Do people have bad experiences with alcohol..? What does that look like. I've had panic attacks from too much coffee.

One of the most interesting aspects about tripping is how much you can be set outside yourself. That other perspective. It really shines when you start considering how much we effect ourselves. It becomes so magnified under stress, so you have to consider how things make you feel. It's like, maintaining your happiness. But the difference between a psychedelic experience and day to day life is day to day life isn't usually so stressful. Not that these experiences are always stressful, haha. I've never felt so alive. But when I can sense my feelings on such a level, particularly when you've never experienced it before, it's more than just a flippant experience. It's something you have to navigate. That means you have to actively take care of yourself. How is this going to make me feel. Music, water, smells, tastes, things to play with(I like Hoberman spheres and shiny rocks), a movie, good conversation, something fuzzy, laying down, dancing. Indulge thyself, but recognize myself. In this way, we step outside ourselves and see us for who we really are. You learn to cherish yourself, and feel things you might never experienced. It's life compressed, you take that dose and it all pops out at once like a Jack in the Box. You just have to be there to embrace it, embrace the experience. That means you have to learn to fight it but also how to let go. Sort of in the way we might drown in a river, but if we just stick a canoe in we might be able to just lay down and drift away.. staring at the clouds. I have everything I need to keep me safe, while the river does what I have asked it to.

I like to plan ahead. Have ideas for comfort, a very loose itinerary that I'll listen to or ignore as I please, a clean environment or somewhere quiet to go. You want as little distractions as possible so you can focus on the ones that matter. Like loved ones or the way the music makes you feel. You have to be your own shaman, your own spirit guide.


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #26893158 - 08/22/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It can be put as simple as - the mushrooms gave you a very real, hands on lesson on how attitude is a small thing that makes a big difference. It literally creates your reality


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26893362 - 08/22/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's beautiful. Life could be so grand if only I had the eyes to see it. So you start peeling back those eyelids


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: larry.fisherman] * 2
    #26893413 - 08/22/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I had bad trips too

do self compassion

every day sit down give yourself self compassion

be kind to yourself tell yourself what youre good at

good things about yourself

its a psychiatric practice

I do it myself and must do it more


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    #26893422 - 08/22/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

set a time for it every day

cultivate compassion for yourself

try to revert bad things about yourself to good things

sit and think good thoughts about yourself

trauma is phycisal

it is like debris in the mind

and it can be removed

must like meditation


this can actually purify yourr mind

and make you free

when you sit you see bad thoughts and bad mental items

these are not seperate from yourself

you think god things aobut yourself :smile:

so when the dark thoughts are there

on them you  turn them around (?) you turn them work with them to light good kind and more honest thoughts

it is a practice and an activity and a doing

and it takes suffering away and makes your life better

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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26893438 - 08/22/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

last and least set time for it

how much time

is you have tarot cards ask them

they are always accurate and truthful advisers

do reasonable amount

I did 2 x 2 minutes a day

and I was still fucked (sorry the language)

i was in peaces

sorry if that was not helpful but

choose a lot of time

2 x 2 minutes is not enough to heal you and make you happy or it wasnt for me

my tarot cards said 4 x 5 minutes

and this is exellent

its exactly the right amount as I said

if you can do then

good

approximate it :smile: as close as possible
I must

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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26893448 - 08/22/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

sounds like you have much prospects for goo dtrips though

havent tripped in 5 years you guys a lucky

loved it

it makes life you much awsome and it is time worth living...

I dont have negaive time but I sure would love time being worth livng

tick tock as your partner said

im just joking still time passes better do as good as possible


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26893474 - 08/22/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"The only way out is through"

Your brain was trying to show you something you weren't ready to hear


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Re: Bad trip I’m trying to make sense of [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26893509 - 08/22/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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