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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26889921 - 08/20/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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falcon said: Could you show some places where Shiva copied and pasted without attribution? And some evidence that he did.
I do it infrequently. It's an anonymous account on a drug forum - it's not like I'm claiming to be submitting original academic research - anyone who wants proper citations can get fucked. Whether my work is original or not has no bearing on the merit of the argument itself.
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Vahn421 said: The argument always comes back to my character when my points can't be contested. I'm used to it. 
At least three times now you've turned the discussion to whether my posts are my own words or not, rather than contest the point so 
RATHER than contest the point? No, that's untrue. I'm getting back to your points as much as I can, just give it time.
Secondly, there's a critical difference between a personal attack and pointing out someone likes to copy-paste words and claim them as their own.
Dude, you spent what, 30 seconds copying and pasting that Andy Gno thread and now you're gonna get on my case for not having the three hours necessary to go through it overnight, while simultaneously not admitting you didn't do dick shit for work to make your points, but just plagiarized someone else's work?
This is partially why your tactics are deceptive. My initial reply to you which was like two or three statements required more effort and thought than your copy-paste, but you're making everyone else feel like you've done all this great research yourself when in reality you're just stealing credit.
So if you want me to put up, you're gonna have to give it time. A rebuttal is going to take a lot more effort than a lazy, no work required copy-paste. And now that I know you didn't write all that shit yourself, I don't feel as rushed to get back to it, either. Why should I work 30 times harder than you're willing to?
I actually spend the time to verify every claim before posting copypasta because, regardless of whether they are my original words or not, I am ready to backup every claim this account makes.
This post is my own words - just one simple paragraph - but days later and you still haven't responded to tell me what you did to verify that specific Project Veritas video. I'm not even asking you to do extra work - just submit what you should have already done to verify the truthfulness of the claim before sharing the video, since you say we should be looking at these things on a case-by-case basis. Hmmm, I guess long copypasta isn't the thing preventing you from responding to my criticism.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26889982 - 08/20/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Secondly, there's a critical difference between a personal attack and pointing out someone likes to copy-paste words and claim them as their own.
What's the difference?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26890440 - 08/20/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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For some reason it’s always the conservatives that wanna quote some sarcastic remark someone made about them and take it all the way to the Supreme Court to decide whether it violates the forum rules or not.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#26890520 - 08/20/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know we are pages past it now, but you brought up racism not being against the rules in this sub and I want to clarify.
I will not tolerate overt racism in this sub. Until they demod me, posters will just have to be clever about it just like any other insult. To anyone who feels there is a double standard: sorry, I can't read every post in this sub. If you feel strongly about some violation, blow the whistle.
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You are a stupid motherfucker! That is a stupid motherfucking post
they got shot for chimping out Police shoot black people so often because of _______
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26890551 - 08/20/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sometimes the ban is worth calling a shit head out...
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26890568 - 08/20/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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falcon said: Could you show some places where Shiva copied and pasted without attribution? And some evidence that he did.
I do it infrequently. It's an anonymous account on a drug forum - it's not like I'm claiming to be submitting original academic research - anyone who wants proper citations can get fucked. Whether my work is original or not has no bearing on the merit of the argument itself.
No it doesn't have a bearing on whether the argument has merit, but it does make reading you posts aggravating as the change of voice is weird and makes what your posting lack cohesion and for that reason I skip over a lot of your posts.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26890573 - 08/20/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: This is why it is so hard to take you seriously. You won't support your arguments because they are "self-evident" and you won't rebut anyone else's arguments because it isn't fair that you should have to think or type.
I post more sources when arguing than anyone on the fucking forum aside from Shiva and maybe Falcon. (And the majority of sources that come from Shiva are copy-pasted.) 
And I never said anything about not rebutting arguments. I said it's going to take time to rebuttal. You're criticizing me for not having 3 hours when all Shiva did was copy-paste.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: falcon]
#26890576 - 08/20/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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And this box would change that, or just make it easier for you to know the parts to ignore?
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I don't hit submit on a post I don't find coherent. Feel free to ignore the ones you find incoherent, ask for clarification, or google every post to find out which ones are my own words first before reading them.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26890578 - 08/20/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: This is why it is so hard to take you seriously. You won't support your arguments because they are "self-evident" and you won't rebut anyone else's arguments because it isn't fair that you should have to think or type.
I post more sources when arguing than anyone on the fucking forum aside from Shiva and maybe Falcon. (And the majority of sources that come from Shiva are copy-pasted.) 
And I never said anything about not rebutting arguments. I said it's going to take time to rebuttal. You're criticizing me for not having 3 hours when all Shiva did was copy-paste.
More often than not, criticism of your sources (usually YouTube related) are met with shrugs from you. It's like a third grade spelling bee.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26890584 - 08/20/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whether my work is original or not has no bearing on the merit of the argument itself.
LMAO. This is literally the point I'm making about project veritas videos. The merit of the video stands alone. Whether or not it came from PV is not relevant in the grand scheme, only to give us more context initially.
But regardless, we source information in order to not appear like we're stealing it. Knowing who wrote it is important, as you also know. It's just not the final say on the piece.
I'll get back to your other questions. I'm not avoiding them intentionally. I've been on the road.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
#26890587 - 08/20/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: This is why it is so hard to take you seriously. You won't support your arguments because they are "self-evident" and you won't rebut anyone else's arguments because it isn't fair that you should have to think or type.
I post more sources when arguing than anyone on the fucking forum aside from Shiva and maybe Falcon. (And the majority of sources that come from Shiva are copy-pasted.) 
And I never said anything about not rebutting arguments. I said it's going to take time to rebuttal. You're criticizing me for not having 3 hours when all Shiva did was copy-paste.
More often than not, criticism of your sources (usually YouTube related) are met with shrugs from you. It's like a third grade spelling bee.
You've got a selective memory. I quote a lot of news sources, too. More than I do videos, by far.
And I still disagree with your take on my response to criticism against what I consider good information.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26890592 - 08/20/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I know we are pages past it now, but you brought up racism not being against the rules in this sub and I want to clarify.
I will not tolerate overt racism in this sub. Until they demod me, posters will just have to be clever about it just like any other insult. To anyone who feels there is a double standard: sorry, I can't read every post in this sub. If you feel strongly about some violation, blow the whistle.
Why would I report Enlil to Enlil? The best solution is to actually publicly mock the double standard.
Let me repeat what Enlil said: "It shouldn't be happening to anyone, (someone almost killing someone else), but if it's going to happen, I'd rather it be to a white person."
Let me ask you all, if I said, "I'd rather black people die than white people die." Will I get warned/banned?
Think VERY carefully, now.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26890598 - 08/20/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You quote a lot of news sources. Good for you.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26890609 - 08/20/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whether my work is original or not has no bearing on the merit of the argument itself.
LMAO. This is literally the point I'm making about project veritas videos. The merit of the video stands alone. Whether or not it came from PV is not relevant in the grand scheme, only to give us more context initially.
But regardless, we source information in order to not appear like we're stealing it. Knowing who wrote it is important, as you also know. It's just not the final say on the piece.
I'll get back to your other questions. I'm not avoiding them intentionally. I've been on the road.
The difference between pointing out that Project Veritas has a history of posting deceptively edited footage and that I copy-and-paste without attribution is this: only one of these has attacked the validity of the information.
Anything by Project Veritas can be fairly assumed to be deceptively edited until proven otherwise, given the established tendency. Anything I post can be fairly assumed to be unoriginal until proven otherwise, given the established tendency.
Deceptively edited vs unoriginal. Only one of these qualities affects the validity of the information.
That all being said, I'm still willing to consider your video on a case-by-case basis whenever you get around to supplying that argument.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#26890619 - 08/20/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can mostly agree with your take on that minus a little nuance.
I should be able to get back to you tomorrow. Also, my respect for you is growing. You're very adept at staying on point and being thorough, unlike most everyone else here.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26890780 - 08/20/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Anything by Project Veritas can be fairly assumed to be deceptively edited until proven otherwise, given the established tendency.
Do you know what percentage of Project Veritas videos are deceptively edited? 100%? 5%? I honestly don't know, and I think that would make a big difference.
I mean, I think it's fair to accuse the establishment media of deceptive editing when it comes to Bernie Sanders, or Russia-Gate, for example. But we still listen to them.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26890803 - 08/20/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, time changes people and networks. I used to (kinda) respect CNN and hate Fox. Now I (kinda) respect Fox and hate CNN.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26891032 - 08/21/20 03:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Well, inadvertently admitting what Enlil said was completely racist is a good start.
I was given both a warning and then a ban for a so-called racist post. When I got the warning, I quoted the post in question to ask why it was racist and clarified my position. By quoting it, Ballsalsa decided that was me repeating my self and banned me.
So, no. *Someone* is completely wrong about this. Double standards galore around here, it seems.
1. The Ecstatic did not admit anything, inadvertently or not. As usual you are only right in your own mind.
2. Semantics aside, any actions the mods have taken against you were for being irritating nonstop. Sometimes people in an official position are required to state an official reason for an action, but now you know the real reason. I told you earlier that being irritating would be tolerated here, but not nonstop irritating.
This happened like three weeks ago now, man.
And if I'm hearing you right, you're basically saying they are allowed to be hypocrites when dealing with someone they don't like.
Correct me if I'm wrong, here. I can't get any other meaning out of your words.
You didn't get any other meaning out of my words, because you hear what you want to hear.
Yes, there is hipocracy that we all engage in sometimes. Enlil once sent me a message giving me three ban points, and a week and a half later he was saying worse things about that guy than I was. That guy is gone from politics and nobody is missing him. Everyone here is human and imperfect. But as I keep telling you, there is a limit to how much irritating behavior that will be tolerated here.
I know I'm irritating sometimes, but I understand the limits. You don't.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26891076 - 08/21/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Let me repeat what Enlil said: "It shouldn't be happening to anyone, (someone almost killing someone else), but if it's going to happen, I'd rather it be to a white person."
Let me ask you all, if I said, "I'd rather black people die than white people die." Will I get warned/banned?
Lets see.. Are you black?
Enlil is white. He can say things about white people that would not be polite if black people said them, just like there are things about white people that are would not be polite if black people said them.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Asante]
#26891115 - 08/21/20 05:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not really a black or white thing. Vahn421 hasn't been banned yet, because he's "special" and the mods are humanitarians. This is XUL all over again; but this time it's Mormon turned Qanon.
Once he's gone from from here, I'm betting he's on Stormfront, hanging with XUL.
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