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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26890236 - 08/20/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Who said anything about 'snacks'?

Nearly everyone I know that eats more than three times a day is eating fish/chicken and vegetables and is in great shape.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26890248 - 08/20/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I still think regardless of what you are eating, if you are not counting your calories and have a uncommon will power to stick to your calorie count, you are going to eat more on a greater number of meals a day diet, then you would eating less meals  in a shorter window

and it isnt even the amount of meals that bothers me, its just that it stretches out the window, if you ate 6 meals in a 10  hour window or less, your giving your body a break from insulin at least


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26890256 - 08/20/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26890302 - 08/20/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26890315 - 08/20/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

that article was quite dramatic when it got to 20:4, and totally botched the last one, 5:2 and ADF are separate routines

with 5:2 you are just fasting 2 days a week

with ADF you are fasting every other day, so its a 36-48 hour fast every time

I personally do a 4:3 routine, so its like a 40:8 ADF during the week days and 16:8 on the weekend, so I basically dont eat Monday, Wednesday, Friday


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26891015 - 08/21/20 02:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wanna hear DRAMATIC?

Of the ppl with obesity..

Know how many can lose the weight and keep it off

for just 5 years?

5 fucking years in a lifetime?

less than 5%.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/changepower/201010/why-diets-dont-work-and-what-does

For men with severe obesity the figure drops to less than 1 in 1000

Thats dramatic.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
    #26891028 - 08/21/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

thats following the traditional eat less, move more, I already knew that it had abysmal success rates, its been prescribed for decades and it only works for a very select few of people

so I have only been fasting for 1 year 8 months, according to a post I made here where I said I just started OMAD, so im still quite short of the 5 year mark, maybe ill remember to bump this thread in 3 years 4 months from now and have a more longer term outlook

traditionally low carb diets were prescribed before calories were discovered, Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin wrote in his textbook in 1825

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The second of the chief causes of obesity is the floury and starchy substances which man makes the prime ingredients of his daily nourishment. As we have said already, all animals that live on farinaceous food grow fat willy-nilly; and man is no exception to the universal law




in 1863 William Banting published the pamphlet Letter on Corpulence, Addressed to the Public which is considered to be the worlds oldest diet book, he wrote it after losing weight on a low carbohydrate diet, after he failed to lose weight eating less and taking up rowing on The River Thames

low carbohydrate diets were standard advice untill about the 1950's, Im not entirely sure why I brought this up, I dont have numbers to back up that it was more successful other then the 2 people I mentioned above, but its just some food for thought


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26891079 - 08/21/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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THEY are trying to give me diabetes




Says the guy who wants to add neat glucose to his foods.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
    #26891086 - 08/21/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ketosis is an emergency auxiliary system in case of unwholesome foods, not a way of life.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
    #26891150 - 08/21/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
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THEY are trying to give me diabetes




Says the guy who wants to add neat glucose to his foods.




its not like im adding glucose to all my foods, but once every 1-2 months I like to drink a orange pekoe, and I cant do that without sugar and milk, its not like coffee where I can easily drink it black, also even rarer then once every two months I like to bake something, dextrose happens to be ever so slightly healthier then sucrose due to the lack of fructose, so I decided to buy some to try


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Asante said:
Ketosis is an emergency auxiliary system in case of unwholesome foods, not a way of life.




I dont even know what you mean by unwolesome foods

I dont think we were ever meant to be in ketosis 100% of the time, I think we evolved to cycle in and out of it in times of starvation and times of abundance, considering we are tropical creatures so there should have always been carbs available to us year round, maybe white people were in ketosis a lot more, during winter in a colder climate only eating shit like mammoth or something


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26891299 - 08/21/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ketosis is a backup mechanism for producing energy in times where it isnt available externally. Nothing more. Whether or not it is good to cycle in an out of ketosis is still up for debate. Some evidence seems to indicate that reintroducing glucose during ketosis can damage the endothelium of your blood vessels and may lead to cardiovascular disease. Other evidence seems to indicate that periods of starvation improve longevity by reducing the release of growth factors and thus reducing the incidence of cancer.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26891410 - 08/21/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

How does your girlfriend feel about your extreme dieting?


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: 1234go]
    #26891498 - 08/21/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

she dosnt care what I do, it bothers me that she gets up 2-3 times a night to eat though, I told her she should only eat between 8am-8pm


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26891728 - 08/21/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

gopher said:
she dosnt care what I do






That's too bad...


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: 1234go]
    #26939123 - 09/16/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19814947/

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Olanzapine-treated patients showed a significantly greater increase than risperidone-treated patients in a fasting measure of insulin resistance (P = .041), and olanzapine patients showed greater decreases in insulin sensitivity during OGTT (P = .023) compared to risperidone-treated patients.





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Prolactin levels decreased in olanzapine patients and increased in risperidone patients





This Risperidone shit is poison and I have been taking it for like 2-3 years, when my disability runs out in January, no way im going to be paying for this shit out of pocket, I bet I start losing weight faster too when Im off it

my doctor should prescibe me adderal instead, much rather be on a stim, besides I only have psychotic thoughts for like a month every 3 or so years, I dont know why I take this stuff everyday when 99% of the time im not even delusional


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26939164 - 09/16/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You are having delusional thoughts right now.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #26939169 - 09/16/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

no im not, thinking anti-psychotics are trash is a perfectly reasonable thought


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26939193 - 09/16/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Gopher, if you get off antipsychotics and onto a stim you will grow increasingly psychotic until you are hospitalized.

Stims make psychosis, much worse.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
    #26939198 - 09/16/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

a medicinal amount isnt going to make me crazy, im not talking about snorting huge lines


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26939207 - 09/16/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

With stims it can behard to keep it medicinal.

Even so, tapering or quitting antipsychotics in itself may trigger a psychosis and any about of stim added to it makes it worse.

Antipsychotics work because they are dopamine d2 antagonists.
Stims are dopamine d2 agonists.

For a person with the susceptability you might as well call stims "psychotic drugs".


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