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The Official Cluster Busters Thread
    #26889981 - 08/20/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Welcome to the cluster busting thread where we discuss the use of active mushrooms (and to a lesser extent any other psychedelics that may be beneficial) to break and avoid cluster headache cycles. Personal anecdotes and strategies are encouraged to be shared. Links to information and other resources are also welcome. Questions are also encouraged however regarding dosing advice I would encourage people to speak about their own experiences rather than dispense dose advice directly. While Psilocybe species are very safe, they are still powerful in their effects so caution is always advised for new people looking to get relief from their cluster cycles.

At no point should people be advised to disregard the advice of their doctor and if someone is taking SSRI’s for other issues it’s not advisable for them to discontinue their use without first consulting a physician. I would like to keep the goal of harm reduction in mind at all times when engaging in discourse.

So with all that said let’s share and heal together :rockon:


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26890416 - 08/20/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don’t know if this is an exact fit, but I’ll play. Just my anecdote. If it doesn’t belong here, I will move it to another post.

I very rarely get migraines but they are usually preceded by auras where I have a large zigzag or sickle shaped blind spot in the middle of my vision in one or both eyes. A bit like looking through glass with a water drop on it that bends the light around an area. These last around 3 or 4 hours, then I get an hour break before the pain starts.

I had one of these last week where a large section of my vision in my right eye was blanked out. I have been on a couple month break from microdosing and had never had the opportunity to try a microdose to treat a migraine. As I said, they are pretty rare for me, fortunately.

Welp, this time opportunity met circumstance and I took 5 volumetric micrograms of LSD in 5 drops of ethanol. Then I went back to my desk to work while I was still able. About a half hour later I realized that my vision had cleared and I never did get the rest of that migraine.

That is my extremely small sample size study.

My wife gets chronic migraines, though. She got up to 18 per month a few years ago. She has been on just about every prevention and prescription and does Botox every 4 to 6 months. Between that and starting hormones she is getting the numbers down now. She is not a very experienced psychedelic explorer, but she is certainly interested in the treatment potential. After my positive experience last week, I suspect that she will be ready to give a mushroom microdose a go the first time one shows up on a weekend.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #26890854 - 08/20/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That’s a great share, glad you were able to find some relief.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #26894709 - 08/23/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

My wife is not a psychedelic (or any drug) user at all, and has never taken a "recreational" dose of mushrooms.  Several years ago when she was having severe issues with headaches, migraines 3-4 times/week on average, she finally tried microdosing about a half gram and had pretty good results.  Seemed to really reduce the frequency of headaches for quite a while if she would take the dose on a day when she didn't have one already.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Forrester]
    #26898357 - 08/25/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That’s a great share man! I’m not familiar with using them for migraines as I don’t get them myself but it’s interesting that the benefits are not just limited to cluster sufferers.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26898840 - 08/25/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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That’s a great share man! I’m not familiar with using them for migraines as I don’t get them myself but it’s interesting that the benefits are not just limited to cluster sufferers.




To be more clear, she was having so many headaches at the time (different types too) it was difficult to distinguish for sure whether they were "official" migraines, clusters, or what.  I was more focused on finding anything that helped than taking notes of types.  She did notice a big help though.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #26898951 - 08/25/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I don’t know if this is an exact fit, but I’ll play. Just my anecdote. If it doesn’t belong here, I will move it to another post.

I very rarely get migraines but they are usually preceded by auras where I have a large zigzag or sickle shaped blind spot in the middle of my vision in one or both eyes. A bit like looking through glass with a water drop on it that bends the light around an area. These last around 3 or 4 hours, then I get an hour break before the pain starts.





I experience very similar "Floaties" hanging around my peripherals preceding a migraine / cluster headache. It's similar to looking at the sun and the remaining fragments overlaying your vision more often than not a bright white core so to speak. But it rarely lasts more than a few minutes and is always indicative of a headache coming on for me. I had a lot of problems as an adolescence with migraines on a weekly basis for several years. Ironically and unfortunately they started to subside around the same time I discovered psychedelics. But I also started to reduce the major stressors in my life at that point so I don't think psychs where the main factor.

I still experience migraines from time to time in adult life (often stress induced) but never attempted to use a micro or macro dose to alleviate. I do sometimes experience a minor headache several days after a macrodose. Unsure of correlation.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Padrey]
    #26899138 - 08/25/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I really, really don't want to derail this thread in any way, but for those who are suffering you should really try an elimination diet

The way my wife finally got rid of ALL her types of headaches was quitting eating foods she was intolerant to.  Food intolerances are the biggest cause of any type of pain that isn't explained by a physical issue (and even many you thought were).  All my back muscle pain stopped when I quit eating gluten.  Anyway, if you're suffering it's worth checking into.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Forrester]
    #26900499 - 08/26/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

what kills me are french fries which I lovehate
the first few bites get me addicted, but as they pass my back teeth I get fumes that mess me up.
simmilarly beer of all kinds, and most wine as well, so yeah, food can do it.
lack of water will also tip the scales along with too much sun.

anyway, a sliver of lysergic usually helps if I first brush my teeth and drink water. Pellegrino is my fave water.

another weird thing is stiff neck induced headaches, and for that I eliminate my pillow for night time sleeping. this has fixed my stiff neck experiences by 90%.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26910702 - 08/31/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Migraines with photophobia. NEVER pretty and more than humbling in the fetal position. Always get a metallic taste in the back of my throat before downward spiral.

Done the whole diet thing its not yeast, chocolate, etc. Was precribed Imitrex and it made my heart race uncontrollably (not the best combo with PTSD).

1 to 2 grams usually kicks it down to manageable level but I dont really like the "in between trip" feeling but will definitely take it as a side effect. Unlike other abortive migraine meds, mushies seem to be much smoother.

Gonna try some stones to see if there is any differnce from cubes:shrug:


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #26910726 - 08/31/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I personally find low doses to be uncomfortable, I would rather go deeper than sit in the shallows.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26917441 - 09/04/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I have thought about that....have to balance my trips as I use higher doses for mental health and coping. Typically these experinces hover around 3 to 4 grams, and usage is three to five times a year; never want the magic to go away and fear that increased dosage/ frequency will make other trips fade.

With that said it might be interesting  to see if differnt types of mushies have better effects( like APE, stones, woodlovers) compared to run of the mill cubes.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26917921 - 09/04/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I got hit with a cluster headache last night. I was planning on dosing tomorrow but plans change. Feel a lot better today despite not sleeping last night.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26925732 - 09/09/20 05:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

i will be honest about SSRI. i took zoloft/prozac for 10 years. first week is constant complain to doctors it does not work from 50g to  100g in first week to make story short as possible. zoloft takes 8 days to reach your brain and do its thing for 8 days you keep taking pills twice a day no matter what your body chemistry is but zoloft this special bitch has a chemistry on and off you go its always 8 days TO MAKE YOU COMPLETELY DEAD ZOMBIE no emotions no feelings oh yeah you can work you can fucking work your ass off even you have 4 slip discs cluster headache but you can work like a ZOMBIE and 10 years later you explode that was me punching his supervisor and that was last time i took zoloft as i thought but no.

it does not cure depression it does not fix consistent head pain, it does not do shit even at 200mg what it does Insomnia uncontrollable hunger forever hunger that was me and reading forum after forum and i came cross shroomery fucking drugs oh wait i am on drugs 8 different kind of them zoloft, prozac, valium all legal given by shrinks but they do not do shit.......that was cross roads i had pill to sleep pill to wake up pill to get pain (zoloft which does give you cluster head ache and uncontrollable heartbeat) and no pill for orgasm thats the only pill shrink couldnt find because i am pretty sure there is a lab some where that is working day and night to produce a pill for one reason only how to make people cum while they are on SSRI zoloft proazc etc look it up its real issue in modern medicine world....

so i woke up got dress went to my job gave my resignation got back and that was six years ago no account on shroomery just read for weeks i wake up i read zoloft can let you do that is it dangerous hell yeah does it fuck your mind hell yeah 200mg and you are gone pain will be there but you will not give a fuck because pasty got some grow method and you are taking notes thats all your world be.....
kitchen is on fire fuck that there is something about humidity that needs to be right or shrooms will not grow KITCHEN IS ON FIRE!!! yeah i heard you......this argument of my wife was given to shrink and this entire incident went back and forth for me leaving chicken in oven while knowing its in oven and i could not move or want to move away from laptop screen and according to shrink i need to take more.... i am on 200mg and i have to take more say no more fam,

left the shrink that day never look back did my first grow fuck it up thanx to depression my old friend got back on zoloft this old bitch of so called SSRI.

it makes you do shit but it does not take care of cluster pain, migraines and depression. it just makes you do shit you want to do and i mean if you want to kill or commit suicide hell yeah the reason i could hit my supervisor again and again zoloft the one emotion you can feel on zoloft or prozac its anger always anger because these both SSRI do not care what body chemistry you have they can make you feel anger on the level you never felt before.

i use to be computer network designer a nerd a geek who punch his superior to almost death to any shrink in the house how a person on 200mg of zoloft punch the living shit out of another human being when 200mg dosage is enough to shut down aggression center of mind?? according dosage in trials and internet is full of stories from around the world where people kill on SSRI took there life while on havey dosage of SSRI because thats what pill does they make you do shit some time you are in control some times pill are in control thats the entire fight you do in head all day while acting normal and going to shrink and reporting to him and in return you get insights which most of time in my experience SHRINKS ARE WRONG and the best way to deal with problematic case like me who keeps complaining about left side head pain never ending pain UP THE DOSAGE OF SSRI another cross roads...

did my first grow using zoloft and this time follow pasty's thread like a handbook and RR notes.
grown some combodian
dry weight 30 grams

went off the zoloft for a week, shivering got worse uncontrollable anxiety didnt have that but okay got it now. head pains to the point hit my head on walls,door till wife got hold of me lay in her lap for i do not even remember told her to leave me for i do not know how long, irritation from every thing and tiredness from lifting monster truck the same old routine of leaving zoloft at 400mg and going through same phase some people feel it less and i am in that category who feel symptoms on the worse side and side effect can get worse.

if you are taking combo pack zoloft and lithium, lithium carbonate found in cell phone and laptop battery that lithium, micro dosing it act as mood stabilizer who the fuck even thought Lithium can be safe for humans for all the kids please do not break your cellphone battery and start licking, IT FUCKING KILLS in higher dosage but it do make you feel like having orgasm forever. so the thing with prozac/zoloft taking it for a very longer period of time you will get stuck in one emotion and its up to SSRI which house you go to like harry potter movies or you will end up to the dark side like jedi movies and shrink will have to increase dosage/ report back routine. if you are stuck in happiness you will be happy at someone's death and look like a moron and shrink will tell you its okay depression can do that and the underline fuckery in your mind and we need to do more sessions say no more fam who thought doc you will be gatey way to 30g of shrooms.     
   
took my first dosage of mushrooms first time 30g i met my maker and he LOVES ME with all my flaws and with all my aggression thank you zoloft i will spend next tens years fixing what you put on me aggression which was not my nature but okay thats what RIGHT SSRI DOES IT GIVES YOU TOOL AND CONTROL OVER YOUR MIND.

before taking 30g

pain on lower back 10th hell
pain on neck and left shoulder 10th hell
pain on left side of head and left eye 10th hell can i drill it please let me drill ocd for 5 days and counting.
depression i can do this, i can do it i can do it just let me have any sharp object and i bet i can cut open.... in ocd 4days

brain you fucked me my whole life i gave you alchol i gave you zoloft i gave you porn i gave you food i gave orgasms but no just wanna fuck or fuck so be it shrooms can not kill me and everybody says 3g is sweet spot but fuck it.... (eating shrooms and drinking fresh lemon juice)

20 minutes feeling good, out of anxiety and pain is less, 30 minutes why i am in clouds and why its not hurting anymore, head pain....wait this is just a illusion and i am going to wake up and its all going to be normal why the hell every thing is moving, colors i can feel colors and why every thing taste like purple laughter heard a voice SINK, hang drum getting louder, SINK..... what happened afterwards was a life changing experience six years ago and after that i kept taking 8g, 10g every four days. after 30g

i didnt got cluster pain for a week mild head pain neck and shoulder pain,
will to live 10th haven all ocd under control, no more random repetitive thoughts, can listen to music and dont get stuck in head, aggression/anger zero to normal.

after that experience what shrooms can do as SSRI and cost nothing to produce compare to buying zoloft/prozac/lithium. i went in to production running six mono all time all seasons, to the point i stop measuring dosage and open bag and start eating i saw hell, i saw things that still haunts me but donot bother me like ocd does things being stuck in head does. last year i went to single mono and start micro dosing 2g every 26 hours, that works for me if i am getting cluster i take up to 4g and ride the wave, it takes usually 30 minutes to one hour for pain to come down.

i been micro dosing for second year now i take a full dosage 4g every 7 days but rest of the days 2g every 26 hours on empty stomach with fresh lemon juice laying in bed relaxing with music for 3 hours or till i get hungry.

what it does. i do not need to take a pill for sleep, work, pain, hunger. 2g is what is working for me. my initial dosage was 0.5g didnt do nothing then i jump to 1g and it was working but i was getting clusters again so i up to 2g skip the 1.5 and 1.8. the reason i take every 26 hours because like all SSRI you need to give your mind a time for recovery and reset and shrooms SSRI exit system every 24 hours and 2 hours is recovery time.

with zoloft there is no recovery its always on single wave and people with ocd and unstable mood with depression they get stuck or end up being zombie no emotions no feelings. with shrooms SSRI it lets you feel because emotions comes in wave so does mood thats why we have MOOD SWINGS a something very common among cocaine user in there withdraws they get mood swings. with shrooms SSRI if you can recognize your emotions the wheel will keep turning and you will keep feeling all emotions including anger at level you never want to experience and visualize and shrooms visual comes in wave each wave more stronger than the other.

with zoloft/prozac SSRI you will have hard time to reach to orgasm even after 40 minutes the thing is still erect and you are thinking you got some dick disease or your dick wont stand at all and you think you got erectile dysfunction with shrooms SSRI it does not happen it does the opposite it act as aphrodisiac and you will reach to orgasm in normal time but it do make the experience intense

being on shrooms SSRI i can eat normally unlike zoloft the hunger and thirst never stops and you keep eating till you are dead. looking back 10 years of zoloft and compare to six years of shrooms well what shrooms SSRI can do in one minute it take zoloft forever to do nothing, i have respect for all psychologist and no respect for shrinks both are different in nature.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26937389 - 09/15/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hello all. I've seen a few posts, here and elsewhere about using psilocybin to reduce chronic headaches, and lessen the frequency and severity of migraine and cluster headaches.  Has anyone tried actually taking a dose/microdose during a severe migraine or cluster headache, as a direct way to stop the headache?

I saw one post in this thread where someone did something similar with LSD, but I would really like to know about psilocybin in this regard.  What are your experiences, and what dose did you try?


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Voodoo7]
    #26937443 - 09/15/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I did this just last week. I had been feeling like one was coming for a few days and had planned to dose the next day. However at midnight I got hit with a crushing cluster headache and I decided to dose right there. It was a pretty heavy dose as well but the pain was gone and didn’t return.

I used to be afraid to trip while having a headache, scared it would make it worse. However I find now that psilocybin really works to mitigate active pain. Even a sprained ankle or a sore throat feel better when I’m tripping I find.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26937616 - 09/15/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

^^^ That's really good to know.  I always had the same fear for my wife that in the middle it might just make it worse, that we should probably only use for prevention.  Good to hear that.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Forrester]
    #26937802 - 09/15/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It has made my headache go away twice. Took a microdose, and in 30 minutes my head quit hurting.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26938986 - 09/16/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

50 years ago (14 yrs old) i had an long bout with cluster headaches (Ice pick behind the eye pain 2 or 3 times a month for over a year). Doctors were no help. Inadvertently i was given 1/2 a hit of LSD (Orange Sunshine) by a friend. Never had another cluster headache again.  It saved my life (that's how bad they were).
    I did get auras and the occasional migraine until about 2001, Then i found mushrooms. I have found that Psilocybin and LSD will short circuit a migraine in about 20-40 minutes and dosing 3 to 4 times a year keeps them at bay. I did not make the connection until i read the Cluster Busters web site a few years ago.
    On a side note i had the displeasure of watching my daughter go through 3 months of cluster headaches some lasting 2 or 3 days. She is a pharmacist and had been prescribed every migraine medication available and had been suffering this way for over a year.
    I sent her all the literature on this subject and convinced her to try LSD. I gave her 100ug LSD, 40 minutes later her headache was gone and she had a hell of a good time to boot. She still gets migraines occasionally, but no where near the frequency or severity and we have aborted several migraines since with micro doses (and full doses).
    Take this with a grain of salt but psychedelics seem to be an effective prophylaxis for cluster headache (and migraines) prevention for a large portion of people. It works.




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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Forrester]
    #26939117 - 09/16/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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^^^ That's really good to know.  I always had the same fear for my wife that in the middle it might just make it worse, that we should probably only use for prevention.  Good to hear that.




Thanks for your reply and experience. My girlfriend gets really bad migraines, but can't get any RX for them. I had discovered that (surprisingly to me) that if I drank too much the night before, that a microdose would clear up all the shitty feelings the next day, and I would actually feel great when otherwise I would probably just have to sit on the couch all day.

So I started wondering if it would be good for clearing up an actual migraine headache, but I'm worried to have her try it in the middle of one for fear of making it worse.  I would feel terrible about that. 

I've thought about it a lot, and I think I'll give her a small "threshold dose" at some point when she's feeling fine, so at least she knows what to expect on a smaller scale. Hope it works, nothing else seems to.


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    #26943465 - 09/19/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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^^^ That's really good to know.  I always had the same fear for my wife that in the middle it might just make it worse, that we should probably only use for prevention.  Good to hear that.




Thanks for your reply and experience. My girlfriend gets really bad migraines, but can't get any RX for them. I had discovered that (surprisingly to me) that if I drank too much the night before, that a microdose would clear up all the shitty feelings the next day, and I would actually feel great when otherwise I would probably just have to sit on the couch all day.

So I started wondering if it would be good for clearing up an actual migraine headache, but I'm worried to have her try it in the middle of one for fear of making it worse.  I would feel terrible about that. 

I've thought about it a lot, and I think I'll give her a small "threshold dose" at some point when she's feeling fine, so at least she knows what to expect on a smaller scale. Hope it works, nothing else seems to.




I've been suffering from chronic migraines for over 10 years, basically I've had either an incapacitating migraine or 'just' a headache almost every day for the last few years.  I've tried pretty much everything that there is, I've been to multiple neurologists and and and. By pure luck, someone offered me some psilocybin mushrooms a few months ago, this summer, and the results have been nothing but amazing. I've only been using (micro-dosing) regularly for a few weeks, since it took me some time to grow a supply, but so far it has changed my life. I would definitely recommend it to anyone who's in pain, a friend of mine who's suffering from arthritis also was pain free within 30 minutes. The only real side effect is insomnia, in my experience (and also said friend's).

Dosage: I'm grinding the mushrooms in a coffee grinder and put them into capsules, there's 0.2g of 'powdered' mushroom per capsule. My pain level is usually pretty high, so quite often I have to take two capsules, but I think that for a lot of people, 0.2g might be enough.

EDIT: I have been made aware of the possible differences in potency, so please do not take my dosage experience as a reference. This dosage works for me with dried, homegrown Golden Teachers. Start low and work your way up if necessary. Personally, I start feeling the effects pretty quickly, after about 15 minutes.


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Re: The Official Cluster Busters Thread [Re: Kurterino]
    #26943473 - 09/19/20 02:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If we are going to discuss things like dosage we should also talk about potency. It’s a critical component often overlooked. 0.2 grams of a potent species/strain (I’m using the word strain in the strictest mycological sense) might border on threshold or stronger for some people, while that same dose of a less potent species/strain might be ineffective. I suggest people read this link to understand more.

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    #26944901 - 09/19/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If we are going to discuss things like dosage we should also talk about potency. It’s a critical component often overlooked. 0.2 grams of a potent species/strain (I’m using the word strain in the strictest mycological sense) might border on threshold or stronger for some people, while that same dose of a less potent species/strain might be ineffective. I suggest people read this link to understand more.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26878383#26878383



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If we are going to discuss things like dosage we should also talk about potency. It’s a critical component often overlooked. 0.2 grams of a potent species/strain (I’m using the word strain in the strictest mycological sense) might border on threshold or stronger for some people, while that same dose of a less potent species/strain might be ineffective. I suggest people read this link to understand more.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26878383#26878383





Thank you. I’ve read your post - very informative- and have added an Edit to mine.


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    #26945013 - 09/19/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If we are going to discuss things like dosage we should also talk about potency. It’s a critical component often overlooked. 0.2 grams of a potent species/strain (I’m using the word strain in the strictest mycological sense) might border on threshold or stronger for some people, while that same dose of a less potent species/strain might be ineffective. I suggest people read this link to understand more.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26878383#26878383



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If we are going to discuss things like dosage we should also talk about potency. It’s a critical component often overlooked. 0.2 grams of a potent species/strain (I’m using the word strain in the strictest mycological sense) might border on threshold or stronger for some people, while that same dose of a less potent species/strain might be ineffective. I suggest people read this link to understand more.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26878383#26878383




That is a very good point.  Currently, I have 2 "strains" going. An isolated and cloned Ecuador strain, and a PE strain.  My method is as mentioned above; I blend all dried mushrooms (of one strain) into powder for measuring, so every dose is the same. I did the PE separately.  I consistently notice the PE is stronger, although I will not pontificate about "how many times stronger" I think it is, because I cannot accurately measure that with my brain.

But here's what happened today, which is why I logged on tonight to share. As I mentioned before my girlfriend getsreally bad migraines. She had one today shortly after waking up. I prepared .100grams of the Ecudor strain using my favorite extraction method, and gave it to her.

Her migraines usually last half a day, and she was willing to try anything.  Within 20 minutes, her headache had diminished to the point where she could sit up and actually have a good-humoured conversation. Within 30 minutes, the headache was gone, and she got up, and we had one of the best days together we've had in a while.  This continued long after the 4 hours was up.

I was really anxious trying this, for fear it would make it worse. Thank you to everyone that chimed in with positive experiences, it really gave me hope.


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    #26945252 - 09/20/20 12:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’m very happy for your GF and yourself, thanks a lot for sharing. My migraines (some of them, I get different types) also last half a day or more, and the first time when I took a micro dose of Psilocybin, I was blown away, I couldn’t believe how good I felt. And that is after having tried pretty much everything (pharmacological) there is on the market today.
Did she feel any negative side effects, like insomnia? It’s not a big deal compared to the side effects of some (most) of the pharmaceutical drugs to treat or prevent migraines, but I can be a problem if you have to get up the next morning.


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    #26945356 - 09/20/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I had never considered that psilocybin had such therapeutic benefits for headache sufferers, until I gave some to a friend, plain old cubes

He is a long time sufferer of crippling migraine/cluster (the kind they give you the ergot based meds for, as part of a cocktail of other things.) That's about as specific as I can get, I don't know much about his condition unfortunately, except to say it is completely life altering on a bad day

Anyway the short version, so we take a decent spiritual dose (4 - 6g dry per person) about once every six to eight weeks, reduced his headache occurrence to almost nil

He still gets a small headache very occasionally, it is not 100% effective but no medicine is expected to be 100% effective either if you live in reality

Microdosing in between the bigger trips may be the thing for him to realise closer to 100% efficacy, I have been saying to him for the longest time

But yeah I can honestly say that it worked pretty well for him and maybe if you suffer from headaches it can work for you. I thankfully do not have them... that shit looks rough


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    #26945902 - 09/20/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I’m very happy for your GF and yourself, thanks a lot for sharing. My migraines (some of them, I get different types) also last half a day or more, and the first time when I took a micro dose of Psilocybin, I was blown away, I couldn’t believe how good I felt. And that is after having tried pretty much everything (pharmacological) there is on the market today.
Did she feel any negative side effects, like insomnia? It’s not a big deal compared to the side effects of some (most) of the pharmaceutical drugs to treat or prevent migraines, but I can be a problem if you have to get up the next morning.




So far no negative effects noticed. The only "negative" effect was she noticed how many spots on the kitchen counter needed wiping down (which in my opinion is not really a negative.)  Also, 3 hours after dosing, she wanted to go pick up grocery order, saying she felt fine, and not "impaired" in any way. I had to explain that while you don't "feel" impaired, like being drunk or stoned, that you might glance down at the radio while driving for a second, and not realize that "one second" is actually 5 seconds. She agreed, and I drove. It took her a long time to get back out with the groceries, because of how colorful all the produce was, so I'm glad I took her.

She reported very restful sleepnlast night, without any sleep-aid, and is at work today without any time of withdrawal, and no headache has returned as of yet. I didn't expect her to have any withdrawal, as she only had .1000grams, but then again it was her first time, and being used to actually treat a headache, so still uncharted territory.


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    #26951314 - 09/23/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Got knocked down by a dooosie. Was woken out of my sleep by migraine....almost puked in my bed:facepalm:. I fucking hate them. I picked some stones out of my 4 month old jar and ate approximately 19 grams fresh...which is close to my 2 gram cube dosage. Dont know if it was placebo but the experience def seemed cleaner..... a better balance between tripping and aborting a headache.


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    #26951985 - 09/23/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Mescaline should for sure be studied for Cluster headaches along with vasodilators. I was prescribed Imitrex for my cluster migraines and it worked but I noticed I’d get rebound headaches a lot more frequently almost developed a dependent issue with it. If I didnt have it I’d get a one. I’ve been headache free for a while now but doesn’t mean they don’t randomly come on.

Whenever I do mushrooms I feel like one side of my body is stronger then the other its weird but I’ve had really good relief from low dose of mescaline in cacti form and shrooms.

Seems like respiration rate is controlled by some serotonin mechanism or vasodilation of vessels in the head.


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    #26953311 - 09/24/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Got knocked down by a dooosie. Was woken out of my sleep by migraine....almost puked in my bed:facepalm:. I fucking hate them. I picked some stones out of my 4 month old jar and ate approximately 19 grams fresh...which is close to my 2 gram cube dosage. Dont know if it was placebo but the experience def seemed cleaner..... a better balance between tripping and aborting a headache.




That really sucks man.  I myself don't know the difference between cluster headaches and migraine headaches, I just know that they both really suck. My girl's headache, the migraine type, lays her out for the entire day. like if she wakes up with it in the morning, that's what she's doing for the entire day. 

If anyone read my post,I tried an experiment that she was totally willing to go along with. She had developed a migraine in the morning and wasn't complete pain, and was willing to try anything.
A micro dose of psilocybin active mushrooms using my favorite extraction technique, had the headache gone in approximately 30 minutes.


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    #26953376 - 09/24/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What was your macro does?  And of what strain?


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    #26953948 - 09/25/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

She should be fine taking like .2 doses of regular potency mushrooms. .5 and over could be bad but I think all these things could lead to rebound headaches.


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    #26954163 - 09/25/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So if you have a mild headache, id definitely recommend taking .10g - .30g of cubensis. 3 times i used basically a microdose in some lime juice. Let soak in the lime for about 10 minutes.. Drank it in one gulp,and within 30 minutes my headache/migraine was completely gone.

It also is a good cure to a hangover. If you over indulged little the night before. Get up and take a threshhold dose(if you dont have anywhere to be). That and hydrate, you will feel better as soon as you hit your very subtle peak.


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    #26972110 - 10/06/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm glad to hear that some of you have been able to find relief from your Clusters.  My dad has been struggling with them on and off for decades.  About six years ago while scouring the internet for help, I came across MAPS and Clusterbusters and we were able to bust his cycle using their method.  But they've come back recently and the terror associated with the aura/shadow that foretells an attack had him reaching for his imitrex and zomig for immediate relief (though they don't seem to be working either) which seems to block the Busting (he claims to have eaten 4g recently and gone nowhere).  Have you any advice for how to get off the triptans long enough to potentiate the mushrooms?  Or any advice at all?  Old guy is really struggling...


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    #26982656 - 10/13/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Not cluster headaches, but a woman I know has a history of bad migraines. After microdosing mushrooms every 3-4 days, maybe about 1/3 of a 000 capsule (probably 150-200 mg of dried material), they are now much less frequent than they were.


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I have migraines every day. Complex and cluster are the big two.
Brain always hurts to point most days are spent in a dark, quiet room unable to move. It's been over 2 years of this so I've been trying microdosing shroomies the last few weeks.
I have been trying microdosing with what I can find to buy.

Sometimes one seems stronger than others and more effective but I do not know what they are. I am going to grow my own.
For those of you that know what strains or types you've taken that work, could you please let me know? Like cannabis there are a lot of strains and genetics.

I am up to .8 to .9 before I get relief. Oddly the relief doesn't come that day, it comes the next day and while I am not pain free, a headache or mild migraine is tolerable. Only once did the shroomies work the same day a few hours later but it was a different type and not sure what it was. Very strong though. Had some minimal mental alteration as far as perception that day off .9.

I cannot scan and read online stuff. It triggers my head to get worse. Screens aren't nice to me but if you reply or shoot me a message and it's relatively short I should be able to read and comprehend it on a day with no cluster.

I hope this makes sense. Not reading it to make sure as I am borderline functional at the moment.

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    #27698553 - 03/17/22 07:44 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Hey Kniteopp,

Sorry to hear about your issues, glad that you’re getting some relief from the mushrooms. You may have noticed that the potency can fluctuate and that is a factor for sure. While getting a well stabilized or domesticated “strain” (we call them a “variety” strain has a different meaning in mycology so variety is better suited) can help a bit with this it’s still not a guaranteed solution. Most serious hobbiests clone to ensure consistent results.

I personally do not get a lot of relief from microdosing, larger doses seem to work better for me, especially for cluster busting if I need to resort to it. Growing your own makes it much easier to get a steady supply. Unfortunately this hobby is fairly in depth and often a lot of reading is required. Videos are less popular for learning for a number of reasons but there is a video series that is pretty solid (albeit a bit old in terms of production value it’s information is still good) and I will link some of it here. Watch these two videos for a breakdown of what is likely the simplest way to grow mushrooms from spores.





As far as what strain/variety to choose that’s a complex question with a complicated answer. It’s not like weed where you grow X to always get X. But variety can still greatly influence the outcome. Many people like to grow most stabilized mutant varieties for the more consistent potency and results that many of them offer. Just be aware that even when growing from these mutant varieties nothing is guaranteed and they might even revert to a more classic form at any time. Many people will recommend Penis Envy or other Penis varieties. While Penis varieties do tend to be very potent they have drawbacks like being very slow to fruit or needing a lot of water. Some people might say that they are not the best choice for the beginner due to their very slow pinning times and high likelihood of the syringes being bacterial. Other mutant strains are often only available through trades or small time sales and are only offered on swabs which are not appropriate for the cake methods I linked above.

To that end what matters more is likely that you get a “clean” or “axenic” syringe. The vendor I recommend for people in the USA is Sporeworks.com who are a sponsor of this site. They are a legit sample provider so never mention to them that you are growing their products, that would implicate them and they will not do business with you then. If you go to Sporeworks I would suggest trying their Colombian Rust Spore variety. It always served me pretty well back when I grew them.

Sorry about the length of the reply here, this is a complex and rewarding hobby. Lots of angles to explore and understand. Despite your handicap if you find you want more in depth reading or want to up your game and grow more, I suggest you try and slog through this link. It’s a long writeup but it covers much of the hobby and it’s foundations. Many people start growing for the mushrooms and keep growing cause they love the hobby.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24084128#24084128

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