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Psychedelics causing Schizophrenia
    #26889967 - 08/20/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I know that they dont. The percent stays the same in users vs. "sobers" - its about 1% of the population. But i wanted see if anyone here had turned Schizophrenic/had psychosis after taking psychedelics, and would like to share his experience.

I would like to know, how it went down - i imagine that it would be more complicated than "not coming back". What would be the first signs that one should look out for?

I dont mean for my question to sound intrusive and im obviously not forcing anyone to share, since its incredibly personal matter. I would just like to know more about this subject.


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Re: Psychedelics causing Schizophrenia [Re: Ombisha]
    #26890018 - 08/20/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Cannot share an anecdote with myself, sorry (and I hope never to, knock on wood), but I know that drug induced psychosis does not necessarily lead to schizophrenia, and apparently, all of us, or at least many of us without psychotic tendencies, can still have drug induced psychosis.

If you know of Adam/psychedsubstance, even he had a psychotic trip on (I believe 400-500mcg) of LSD.

Thankfully, he seems fine now.


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Re: Psychedelics causing Schizophrenia [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26890065 - 08/20/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I've seen them cause PTSD type symptoms in someone with BPD, but I don't think it's as simple as:

1. Trip
2. Become Schizophrenic

If anything, they tend to just worsen symptoms of any existing illness.


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Re: Psychedelics causing Schizophrenia [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26891194 - 08/21/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I’ve been doing psychedelics nearly half my life on and off. Last year after a hard break up I tried committing suicide. I didn’t succeed and they tossed me into a mental institution. I was in and out of there three times last year. The “doctor” how was a quack diagnosed me with bipolar and paranoid schizophrenia. I was on meds for nearly five months and they messed with my head more than any psychedelic ever did. I’ve been off the meds for eight months now and I feel waaaay better. I’ve dosed acid several times since then and Molly once. I’d rather do psychedelics than pharma meds any day. It actually helps me I feel like.


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Re: Psychedelics causing Schizophrenia [Re: MadHatter333]
    #26891223 - 08/21/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Nobody becomes schizophrenic, people either have the predisposition or they don't, and they can have it to a degree.

My guesstimate is that as many as 1 in 10 people shouldnt dabble with psychedelics, given what conditions are out there in the population, including schizophrenia.

I knew someone who became an acid casualty. He remained in a longstay ward of a psychiatric hospital, died of eating poisonous mushrooms on the grounds of the institution and is buried there to this day.

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Re: Psychedelics causing Schizophrenia [Re: Asante]
    #26891237 - 08/21/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah. Talking about this it is good to keep in mind the difference of schizophrenia which is a chronic mental illness/disorder and psychosis.
Somebody having psychosis after psychedelics would be called drug induced, like with speed or cannabis even.
This is usually temporary, but someone with predisposition could become schizophrenic in the long run.


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Re: Psychedelics causing Schizophrenia [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26891702 - 08/21/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
I've seen them cause PTSD type symptoms in someone with BPD, but I don't think it's as simple as:

1. Trip
2. Become Schizophrenic

If anything, they tend to just worsen symptoms of any existing illness.




Of course, i was not suggesting that this is the case. But if there is a predisposition, then psychedelics can trigger it. I would just like to hear from someone, who had this happen to them.


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Re: Psychedelics causing Schizophrenia [Re: Asante]
    #26891708 - 08/21/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
I knew someone who became an acid casualty. He remained in a longstay ward of a psychiatric hospital, died of eating poisonous mushrooms on the grounds of the institution and is buried there to this day.





Thats a really sad story, im sorry.


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Re: Psychedelics causing Schizophrenia [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26891725 - 08/21/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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InnerWisdom said:
Yeah. Talking about this it is good to keep in mind the difference of schizophrenia which is a chronic mental illness/disorder and psychosis.
Somebody having psychosis after psychedelics would be called drug induced, like with speed or cannabis even.
This is usually temporary, but someone with predisposition could become schizophrenic in the long run.




In my language, its called "toxic psychosis". My friend actually had this happen to him, after smoking a really strong weed non stop for several weeks.

It creeped in slowly, but by the end he was breaking sim cards because he thought people were after him, he thought he was a buddhist messiah, he talked about having a diamond body and visualizing a lotus in his belly. Also talked about telepathically communicating with great buddhist masters. He also thought he was invincible and made me hit him... i feel bad for it to this day.


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Re: Psychedelics causing Schizophrenia [Re: MadHatter333]
    #26891736 - 08/21/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I’ve been doing psychedelics nearly half my life on and off. Last year after a hard break up I tried committing suicide. I didn’t succeed and they tossed me into a mental institution. I was in and out of there three times last year. The “doctor” how was a quack diagnosed me with bipolar and paranoid schizophrenia. I was on meds for nearly five months and they messed with my head more than any psychedelic ever did. I’ve been off the meds for eight months now and I feel waaaay better. I’ve dosed acid several times since then and Molly once. I’d rather do psychedelics than pharma meds any day. It actually helps me I feel like.




Im sorry. If i was in your place, i would probably try finding some open-minded therapist that will suit you, but i hear that therapy is really expensive in some places.


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Re: Psychedelics causing Schizophrenia [Re: Ombisha]
    #26893466 - 08/22/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

a psychotic episode induced by a psychedelic is different then the psychosis someone with schizophrenia, bipolar and yes even deep depression experiences... i am experienced... and for the record let me be the first to share that the brain chemistry model(which was only a theory) may soon end up in the dustbin of medical science where it belongs... 

any form of mental illness is really inflammation of specific/given regions of the brain... if you're depressed, you're depressed because areas of the brain related to depressed mood are (epi)genetically predisposed to respond to inflammation... These areas become inflamed and become dysfunctional, leading to depression... If you suffer from schizophrenia, areas related to the senses, cognition and whatever other areas of the brain involved in this crippling disorder become inflamed... Inflammation is the root cause of every single disease we struggle with... Epigenetics trump genetics every time... Genes are turned on and turned off by any number of factors and they all lead to inflammation... Why should mental illness be any different than other medical disorder associated with inflammation? that's the question they should have been asking themselves all this time...


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