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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26941756 - 09/18/20 05:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

just a different angle on the same truth (philosophy(


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26941766 - 09/18/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Nature is metal:rockon:


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: sudly]
    #26941798 - 09/18/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

good counter pointing.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26941931 - 09/18/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Ferdinando said:
I like your signature

it looks good begun exciting

not the way it looks after a suicide or during it...

I mean what you see depends on how you look so when one makes it less and less like becomes a less and less successfull viewer and gardener it becomes more boring and less exciting




Romeo and Juliet's suicide is considered a beautiful tragedy for some reason because they practically pined themselves to death over each other the same way someone might consider suicide over unrequited love.

So now I have the opportunity to perceive his signature as a requited love affair, which I agree with you is way more exciting.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: sudly]
    #26942316 - 09/18/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

if you take a watch apart to study how it works, and then put it back together, and someone were to ask you, which part of the watch tells the time? - what would you say?

as i stated before the human organism displays properties that cannot be accounted for as a synthesis of the behavior of the parts.  the current fashion in mainstream science, of taking things apart, makes accepting properties of systems as a whole difficult, because this kind of look points to another “force” that might be outside the current sets of laws.

it starts with water, the water in a cell is nothing like the water in a glass.  humans do not know how an organism develops from a single cell to its mature form!  the answer does NOT go like this: life obeys laws of chemistry and physics, and thanks to this, life can be reduced to machinelike processes that involve reading a blueprint and translating it into structure.  just because a process occurs at one level does not mean these same processes operate similarly at other scales. 

sure the word Ch’i terrifies most scientists.  call it whatever you want, but it is a force that encompasses whole system properties and essential communications that function in a continuum environment.  the nature of these whole system processes is what directs the formation of structures and their functional integration.

one of my favorite quotes from Albert Szent-Györgyi:

“In scientific circles, a vitalist is far worse than a communist.”


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod] * 1
    #26942508 - 09/18/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

wrong

the hands on the face of the watch tell the time

as for the rest of your vitalist propaganda, it is completely inconsistent and untrue.

Cause and effect is not just ball and stick or ball to ball or stick to stick linkage. everything interpenetrates using complex branching and coalescing as suits the situation, scientists know that. I am afraid you have been storing bad attitude in your DNA (sic), converting every post from an idea to political opposition to knowledge.

If I had status I would ban you from the forum.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26942522 - 09/18/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

how can the hands on the face of the watch tell the time without all the other parts telling the time?  you read the hands on the face of the watch to tell the time, but you need the whole watch to read the time.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26943523 - 09/19/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

you have success almost more than anyone else and is right about everything, ban (alien)


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26943526 - 09/19/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

and had success more importantly because where does that take one compared to not

it's about doing as good as possible so we are our behaviour (our time) as good as possible later and now


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26943534 - 09/19/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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ban (alien)




That reminds me of a period in technical college when a redneck took exception to my English accent. Yes, he was still harboring resentment against the British 200 years after the revolution.

Personally I view this alien as quite knowledgeable even if the quirky side is rather pronounced.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26945555 - 09/20/20 06:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You read the time..

What properties do you speak of?

Mitosis and meiosis are a good start in regard to learning about cell reproduction.

Do you consider the sun a machine?

Everything is a machine like process.

You could just outright say, "maybe there are unknowns in quantum mechanics yet to be discovered and until then I'll believe that's the case".

What's the problem with an eloquent process resolving in lives activities?

I view chakra as electromagnetic communications between vital organs and individual human enterprise.

A vitalist doesn't believe things are naturally bound..


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: sudly] * 1
    #26945670 - 09/20/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

a crisis in perception takes place when applying concepts of an outdated mechanistic worldview to a reality that is not understandable in those terms.  the problem goes to the very heart of the human conceptualization of the nature of reality.  when anyone is willing to strive to see beyond their small piece of the puzzle of nature, they are given the opportunity to see glimpses in a broader context.  practical and logical reductionism needs to be integrated to an empirical holism continuum. 

strictly speaking in terms of reductionism, life is the inevitable outcome of a sequence of linear cause and effect events.  there are simple and profound flaws in this reasoning.  an illusion arises when observing life at a microscopic level, because it is only a parcel of the whole.  at this level, the molecular machinery of the body and life appear to be a machine-like process.  these machine-like processes are successful at describing inquiries within this limited area, but sucessful from this view only.  they do not deserve credit for establishing order on every level.

a life force is what encompasses the whole systems properties of the human organism.  the human organism functions in a continuum environment, and this life force is what directs the formation of whole system processes and their functional integration.

a specific example of a property within the human organism that cannot be accounted for as a synthesis of the behaviour of the parts is the biological coherence that arises from connective tissues.  studying the solid state semiconductor crystalline properties of the connective tissues and the cytoskeleton, and the electrical currents generated by a flow of protons may lead to a more complete understanding of biological energetics than what currently exists.  what emerges is a picture of how sensory information can produce stable large-scale coherent  vibrations that communicate regulatory information that is responsible for the integration of function taking place at various levels within the human organism.  it is a gross oversimplification to view the nervous system as the basic control system of the body, because it leaves out the whole-systems integated communication system described above.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26945776 - 09/20/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

On the one hand you deny the explanations of science (while using a computer, incidentally),
but on the other hand, you  want an explanation apparently called "vitalism" by some, or a mysterious force that can't be measured.

But you are still stuck with making a linear explanation of "something" or rather collection of processes that, don't fit in the linear language box you're trying to stuff them into.

A scientist or mathematician can describe the path of a 90mph fast ball, but not throw one, and a pitcher throw one but not describe the path with a formula. Who is right?
Silly question, right? and does the ball care?

So we have with science discovered vitamins, put them in pills and can 'cure' some deficiency 'diseases', and this is great --- but if we think about it, there are probably some nutrients, we need, that have not yet been identified, that are already in certain natural foods. (So the wise person eats their veggies, and not hostess twinkies.) Anyway that not all nutrients have been discovered, does not make all science wrong, or all its methods wrong, even if they seem plodding and slow to average folks, or reductionist to those with a slightly bigger vocabulary.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: laughingdog]
    #26945989 - 09/20/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

we CAN measure this “life force”,  it’s just not fully understood.  the connective tissue continuum has the ability to generate and conduct vibrations, that occur as phonons, magnetic fields, electromagnetic fields, electrical signals, light, heat, and solitons.  the consequence of the transmission of these vibratory signals is that a unity of function is imparted across the whole organism. 

i did not say that mechanisms that drive cellular metabolism (for example) are wrong or deny them, i merely pointed to the fact that they are limited in their understanding.  the customary divisions of the body into molecules, cells, tissues, organs, ect. separates the study of life into sub-disciplines such as molecular biology, cell biology, pharmacology, physiology, genetics, ect. and this is what slows the comprehension of universal cross-disciplinary integrating principles that have to exist for the human organism to maintain its function and unity across all levels.  dividing the human organism into mind and body domains is perhaps the most confounding and confusing of all.

it's clear that cause and effect are elusive because of multiple correlations, but no properties within the human organism can be uncorrelated becuase they are all demonstrably interlinked, and not interlinked by single chains, but through an exceptional number of criss-crossing pathways.  these concepts have incredible far reaching implications for philosophical inquiries about consciousness, so of course just like consciousness, they can be quite elusive, and of course are an unsolved mystery. 

"Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought."
--Albert Szent-Györgyi


on the use of technology - even select Amish use computers.  from what i understand of their use of technology, is that if it assists their life in a way that helps bring them closer to the existence of G-d, then it is seen as good and is permitted.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26946065 - 09/20/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well if you want you could study chi gung or qigong
but just talking about it will accomplish nothing in your own body / mind.
And if you aren't yet practicing, results may take quite a while to manifest.

The heart of these practices is simply learning to stand still ...
for hours, not a misprint !

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kumar+frantzis+tai+chi+



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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26946069 - 09/20/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

what kind of experiments would you devise to better resolve small and large scale wave propagation and resonance fields.

I know that this is an understudied area so far but am confident that a lot of work will be done in it as we achieve better miniaturization (nanorobotics), and faster hi resolution visualization techniques.

this should enable studies in which cerebral field behavior can be recorded in detail and correlated with known experiential facts - all relative to samples involving reproducible tests and controls.

In the meantime I would recommend self-tempering the criticism of others while refining your own theories, and devising experimental exploration  in this area.

so far you sound like a nutty zealot ready to hop on an apocalypse to  the end of days.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26946297 - 09/20/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

studying the human organism with nanobots, is the equivalent of trying to understand how dynamic systems on planet earth work with a microscope.  progress has been slow for a variety of reasons, including a tendency to ignore anomalies, the tendency to ask the wrong questions and look for answers in the wrong places, the tendency to create disciplinary and political boundaries, and the tendency to conceal information by creating incomprehensible nomenclatures.  as observational methods become more refined the focus just shifts from one component to another, and as increasingly smaller fundamental units of life reveal themselves, more information is yielded, but the original goal remains elusive.  scientific prowess is limited largely to the level of society’s operational perception.

Qigong and martial arts are quite powerful for the development of these energy infrastructures and the development of human nature.  they promote a moral sensitivity, athletic abilities, and a unique degree of unitive awareness.  I have been a student of qigong for 20 years, and a teacher of it for the past ten.  I have also been practicing judo, taekwondo, aikido, and karate for 15 years, and in my early twenties had the opportunity to compete and spar semi-professionally.  it is through the altered states of consciousness and the development of Ch’i  that i learned to access from these practices that I become inspired to study the origins of sensory awareness.  when the mind can be freed from distracting thoughts, the senses become capable of functioning with a new scope and clarity.

the heart is by far the strongest EM oscillator of the physical body, and if one builds themself to transmit  large signal power over a broad range of frequencies, many entities will be able to absorb this radiation. this set of radiations is broadcast by the sender, and the radiation generates a biological activity in a receiver's body.  there is a maximum positive interaction if like fixed-polarization occurs and negligible interaction for indifferently coupled fixed-polarization.  the soviets performed a sympathetic resonance experiment where they removed two animal hearts , and kept their functions stable through a support system.  the hearts were then placed at the two foci of an elliptical mirror so that any radiation leaving one heart would be reflected from the mirror to focus on the other heart and vice-versa.  initially, they had different rhythms and phasing, but after ten minutes they had perfect synchronization of rhythm and phase. 

humans can attune to the frequency transmission of others, especially with heart to heart interactions.  the audience of a truly great teacher, such as Jesus or Krishna, or one who has manifested Christ consciousness, does not need to understand them intellectually to have a strong response probably due to the high power “love” radiation signal that they broadcast.  the higher dimensional construct of the body’s mainframe is thought to be the heart, and while an individual is accessing a coherent heart oscillation (revealed by ECG data) they are capable of influencing properties of water and DNA.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26946459 - 09/20/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

what you call energy infrastructures are imaginary


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26946487 - 09/20/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

how do you draw conclusions about what is real and what is imaginary?

how is it that just because something doesn't conform to established ideas about how the world normally works that it is considered imaginary or impossible?


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26946606 - 09/20/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It’s not that it’s impossible, it’s that it’s not very probable.  Ive seen and felt - ie: experienced what could be termed “energy infrastructure”, but it was not independent from the imagery of my mind & the hallucinogenics that influenced it.
To borrow a term from the psychonaught wiki jargon - sounds like 8a & 8b geometry.  I do not believe them to be “real” in the same sense that dreams aren’t real.  Potential for the human mind to experience this phenomena?  Yes, but similarly to the way one experiences a psychedelic experience or dream.  How do we know they aren’t real? via careful Discernment & experimentation. 
They are private experiences, ie, only seemingly real to the observer whilst happening.  It is like a diaphanous & beautiful empty play of illusion imputed upon reality by the organism.  Without the organism - no beautiful play of illusion. Ie-  It’s not an actual structure that can be observed “outside” the mind.  In other words - When you die, it dies with you - ie - does not remain to be seen by others after the body that has given rise to the experience has perished.  Though, even after you die, others may still potentially experience a similar thing, if the right conditions are at hand, due to having the same form as you.

Sort of got tangled up in that for a moment, but I think I delivered my message nonetheless.


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