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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888762 - 08/19/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not here to convince you of anything remember? Post your sources and enlighten me.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Shiithead]
    #26888773 - 08/19/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888775 - 08/19/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What are you arguing?


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888778 - 08/19/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

gopher said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702456/

im going to have to go off the drugs they put me on, this is why I am not at my goal weight yet and have plateaued at 170 pounds, if I lost 6 pounds that would put me from a overweight BMI to a normal weight BMI, but I just cant lose these 6 pounds, in fact im trying to lose 30-40 more pounds




170 pounds is a decent weight for an adult male.  Unless you're 5'3"


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Shiithead]
    #26888779 - 08/19/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

weightgain is mainly driven by insulin


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888781 - 08/19/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

To what end? Why should I care?


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Hebrews 11:3
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Patlal]
    #26888789 - 08/19/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

gopher said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702456/

im going to have to go off the drugs they put me on, this is why I am not at my goal weight yet and have plateaued at 170 pounds, if I lost 6 pounds that would put me from a overweight BMI to a normal weight BMI, but I just cant lose these 6 pounds, in fact im trying to lose 30-40 more pounds




170 pounds is a decent weight for an adult male.  Unless you're 5'3"




im 5'8, 170 pounds is like 6 pounds overweight, my goal weight is 130 pounds before I put on any muscle, that will put me at a 20 BMI, I dont really want to gain any muscle before I lose the weight because the the BMI chart becomes useless cause it dosnt account for muscle


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Shiithead]
    #26888796 - 08/19/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:
To what end? Why should I care?




I dont know, you put yourself in this thread, so I latched on to that


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888798 - 08/19/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Same


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 5
    #26888820 - 08/19/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What is the purpose of attaining a bmi of 20 simply to gain a bmi of 20? The goal should be overall health. By building muscle you increase the number of insulin receptors on skeletal muscle relative to the number of insulin receptors on adipose tissue. The insulin will transport the glucose into your muscles where it will be stored as glycogen rather than fat. Thus you keep your blood sugar lower, lose weight, get stronger all at once. Having lots of lean body mass has many benefits beyond helping you maintain a healthy weight. Your muscle mass begins to degenerate as you age, prediposing you to falls. Believe it or not, complications resulting from fall fractures are a major cause of death in the elderly. If you think you will gain weight by lifting weights withouy increasing your calories... you wont. You have to be in a surplus to gain weight. By maintaining the same caloric intake you will just shift body mass from fat to muscle. This is the best to reduce your chances of developing metabolic disorders

My bmi is 23.5 but my risk of developing diabetes is still lower than many people out there with a bmi of 20 because i have around 13% body fat. Theres plenty of folks out there with a bmi of 20 who have a body fat of 20%.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: morrowasted]
    #26888936 - 08/19/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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By building muscle you increase the number of insulin receptors on skeletal muscle relative to the number of insulin receptors on adipose tissue. The insulin will transport the glucose into your muscles where it will be stored as glycogen rather than fat.





This was an a-ha moment for me. Pure logic, but I hadn't realized it.

My conclusion too is that the healthiest way of losing weight is what bodybuilders call Cutting: swapping adipose for muscle mass as much as possible while dropping weight overall with healthy eating.

This explains part of my interest in low dose anabolic steroids: not just does it GREATLY help with the injuries of obesity but it builds all possible tissues, even bone, at the expense of adipose tissues.

Doing the best you can, physically, at high-normal androgenic levels is bound to give better results than on medium-normal levels.

My impression is that if you prevent muscle loss and even come to muscle growth, you prevent the yoyo effect of losing and gaining.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
    #26889220 - 08/19/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Don't forget insulin carries amino acids into cells, and is necessary for building muscle.  This the main reason body builders after a heavy session take a high glycemic index carb with their protein.  To increase the net migration of AAs into cells.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26889651 - 08/20/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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gopher said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
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gopher said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702456/

im going to have to go off the drugs they put me on, this is why I am not at my goal weight yet and have plateaued at 170 pounds, if I lost 6 pounds that would put me from a overweight BMI to a normal weight BMI, but I just cant lose these 6 pounds, in fact im trying to lose 30-40 more pounds




170 pounds is a decent weight for an adult male.  Unless you're 5'3"




im 5'8, 170 pounds is like 6 pounds overweight, my goal weight is 130 pounds before I put on any muscle, that will put me at a 20 BMI, I dont really want to gain any muscle before I lose the weight because the the BMI chart becomes useless cause it dosnt account for muscle




How about you use your stored fat as energy for your workouts?


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Patlal]
    #26889883 - 08/20/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

since this thread turned into building lean mass, mice fed in a 9 hour window had decrease in bodyfat and a increase in lean mass, on a variety of diets

https://www.foundmyfitness.com/episodes/satchin-panda

its a long video, skip to 34 minutes if you dont want to learn about lights effect on circadian rhythm, at 34 minutes he talks about the study he did on mice


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26889892 - 08/20/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You tryna get dem mouse gainz brah?

That hella tight!!


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Patlal]
    #26889899 - 08/20/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

it probably translates to humans as food will similarly effect humans internal clocks


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 2
    #26889923 - 08/20/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You sure have an incredibly bizarre way of going about feeding your body.

'I know, I'll see what happens if mice do fasting and experiment with feeding myself borax!'


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26889933 - 08/20/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

this thread isnt about borax, its about you triggering me with saying that 6 small meals a day is better then 3 (or less)

I just queried what the most obese province was in Canada for someone elses thread and it led me into a interesting correlation

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/and-canada-s-most-overweight-province-is-1.1212772

quebec is the skinniest province, and they eat the least amount of snacks outside of meal times, yet the eat the most dessert compared to the rest of the country


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26890051 - 08/20/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You started this whole thread because I postulated that eating six small (clean) meals a day does more for weight loss than eating three or less?

Huh..

I wonder why it works so well for so many people out there.. the amount of calories burned to fuel ones digestion must surely be a factor, no?


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26890228 - 08/20/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Intermittent fasting works just as well for so many people too, theres almost a million people on the IF subreddit losing weight and singing its praise

its the snack food companies that came out with the eat multiple times a day, and telling people to eat less dosnt make anybody money

if you counted your calories like a hawk, and had a iron will, and didnt care about your insulin being spiked, you could lose weight on a 6 meal a day plan, but I wouldnt call it the easiest way or even healthy to have a longer eating window, you dont need to eat breakfast as soon as your feet hit the floor and you dont need to eat up untill you go to bed

Subjects given mandatory snacks would consume fewer calories at thier meals but not enough to offset the calories in the snack itself https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/131/10/2775S/4686468

increased meal frequency dose not promote greater weightloss https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19943985/


I think eating frequency is one thing the ancients got right, religions all preach it, the romans fasted, it wasnt till the last 60 years we started increasing meal frequency and it coincides with the rise of obesity


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