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Grapefruit
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Fucking with the genome
#26888871 - 08/19/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So one day I was sitting there pretty blasted on brown and I got my 2cb confused with the brown and shot what must of been about 70mg of 2cb into my arm.
I was sitting there expecting a nice relaxing high and to forget my troubles once more with my favourite friend at the time. Then all of a sudden I realised I had unleashed a pandora's box of nightmares.
Within about 60 seconds I was tripping harder than I ever had (even compared to high dose smoked DMT) and didn't even remember or know that I was tripping already. I had no idea what was going on, or who i was, I just had needles and puke around me and I couldn't move. This went on for at least a couple of hours although I had no concept of time.
The visions I saw were all related to man fucking with the genome and unspeakable acts of horror put themselves in front of me in place of what would otherwise have been there. I saw DNA in front of me being broken apart in a manner that seemed all kinds of wrong and totally against cosmic law.
I then proceeded to see more monsters come out the works. A lot of it I struggle to remember but scientists were injecting others with various things and creating monsters, not like in the movies where you get superheroes but instead people were breaking out in hives and becoming deformed masses of flesh and so on. I saw innumerable scenes like this playing out in my mind in various different ways. I think one of them ended up with a conjoined mass of people. Quite shocking to see this stuff lying in the recessess of the mind.
Just thought I'd share the story and see what people here thought. Do you think I was just tripping or is this a genuine future possibility? Is it possible that will we be injecting ourselves with stuff in the hopes of improving our bodies and then turning into one legged freaks and committing unspeakable crimes against nature at some point in the future? People are certainly mad enough to do it, I just wonder if it could really happen, was it just fear, or if it might've been some kind of premonition...
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Kickle
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Re: Fucking with the genome [Re: Grapefruit]
#26888922 - 08/19/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's a manga called Full Metal Alchemist, do you happen to be familiar?
One of the basic premises is that 2 young brothers have a father who walks out on them and then their mother dies when they are very young from illness. And so, destitute, the two brothers attempt to bring back their mother using Alchemy. They get the basics right, you need to have correlating raw materials, there can't be something from nothing, etc.
But of course they can't really contemplate what it means to be a human. And as they are trying to bring their mother back from the dead, the youngest brother is pulled apart. The older brother tries to stop the ritual mid stream and succeeds to a point. He himself loses a leg and his right arm while the younger brother's body is lost forever. The youngest's consciousness (?) was spared and makes a new home in a suit of armor. The mother emerges as an amorphous blob of goo that is writhing in pain and suffering.
But why this sprang to mind for me was that sometimes we do bad alchemy -- unintended consequences are a part of the deal.
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Rahz
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Re: Fucking with the genome [Re: Grapefruit]
#26889265 - 08/19/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a hellish vision one trip, body parts writhing in piles on the floor of an immense hot cavern. If there were ceilings or walls they were lost to the darkness. Little light and yet there was an energy radiating down not visible to the eyes, filled with malevolence and greed coming from a source in the darkness. I had to deal with that for hours eyes open or closed with the lizard face eyeballing me from the void. Your examples is less fantastic but mine goes to show how the mind can create intricate visual fantasies of things it find grotesque and it can seem and feel real.
If genome manipulation continues progressively there will probable be some mistakes. It also holds a lot of promise. I like to think most of those involved on a professional level are not trying to create conjoined masses though with your previous example, it wouldn't surprise me. Murphy's law is no joke and the human testing done in the past has often been void of kindness and fueled by the quest for knowledge and power. I'd like to think the body hiving up and turning into a deformed mass will be mostly weeded out testing the rats first, but who knows? And breaking rats out in hives and killing them isn't exactly a more pleasant reality to consider. We've done awful things to rats.
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Re: Fucking with the genome [Re: Rahz]
#26889341 - 08/20/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it is a somewhat real possibility. Not sure about massive deformities, but there are already people fucking with the genome, a while ago some Chinese doctor created the first gene-edited babies. Supposedly, the genes he edited gave them a "resistance to HIV", but who knows what the real fallout will be 
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/chinese-scientist-who-produced-genetically-altered-babies-sentenced-3-years-jail
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Re: Fucking with the genome [Re: Svetaketu]
#26889524 - 08/20/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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After university, I wanted to open a flower shop where I would sell recombinant flower products that never previously existed. I would be selling strange beautiful angiosperms to wealthy nature loving purchasers. (I knew nothing about stores but all you could get on molecular biology and recombinant techniques - like what Monsanto was using to make GMO plants)
The reagents for recombinant experimentation were already available in 1974 (to laboratories not individuals) but we did not have any useful sequencing Data or crisper etc., now it would be a nearly reasonable business - though fraught with moral dilemma.
In retrospect I know it is a bad idea, more unhappy results than happy ones, and the likelihood of viable results was low, and our ability to warrant that the flower created would not eat your baby was uninsurable.
My guess is that people are doing this now illegally, so - yeah, that is another vector for future disasters but I don't think it will come from a flower shop.
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Re: Fucking with the genome [Re: Grapefruit]
#26889535 - 08/20/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just heard a story on the radio this morning about U.S. government doctors in the 1940s deliberately infecting 1000+ people in Guatemala with gonorrhea and syphilis without their consent. Apparently it came to light during the Obama administration and President Obama himself was forced to make an apology for it on behalf of the U.S.
The 20th century's history of clandestine medical experiments on humans is a dark avenue to walk down - luckily I've just stumbled upon bits and pieces in history books, novels and news reports. And of course it didn't begin in the 20th century - nor has it stopped, surely.
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Re: Fucking with the genome [Re: Grapefruit]
#26890436 - 08/20/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: Do you think I was just tripping or is this a genuine future possibility? Is it possible that will we be injecting ourselves with stuff in the hopes of improving our bodies and then turning into one legged freaks and committing unspeakable crimes against nature at some point in the future? People are certainly mad enough to do it, I just wonder if it could really happen, was it just fear, or if it might've been some kind of premonition...
I don't think it's a future possibility at all... I think it's almost certainly been experimented with for probably much longer than we think already. I mean I'm not one to get all hung up on conspiracy theories but if the technology exists, someone somewhere is fucking with it with absolutely no regard for the consequences. Because that's what humans do.
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Re: Fucking with the genome [Re: Forrester]
#26890500 - 08/20/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re the OP, from wiki "The Island of Doctor Moreau is an 1896 science fiction novel by English author H. G. Wells.The text of the novel is the narration of Edward Prendick, a shipwrecked man rescued by a passing boat who is left on the island home of Doctor Moreau, a mad scientist who creates human-like hybrid beings from animals via vivisection.The novel deals with a number of philosophical themes, including pain..."
old idea yes it will happen in dictatorships that do not follow "Western civilized conventions". Of course the future (if we escape covid-19 & global warming) stretches millions of years into the future, which is unimaginable, though we can make up good stories.
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GandalfSon
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Combining distant species is more complicated then simple crispy y’know?
Might I offer an alternative theory? What if you were dwelling on thought about how psychedelics effect the mind and your creative framed that as a genetic experimentation thing?
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laughingdog
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Re: Fucking with the genome [Re: GandalfSon]
#26892002 - 08/21/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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GandalfSon said: Combining distant species is more complicated then simple crispy y’know?
indeed it is ---- but that does not stop experimentation
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/aug/11/the-five-chimeras-human-monkey-hybrid-genetic
"The five: chimeras created by science A chimera is an organism with genetic material from two or more sources. Experiments in the field may save lives but are ethically controversial
Desiree Schneider
Sun 11 Aug 2019 01.59 EDT
A 4-week-old pig embryo carrying human stem cells, an experiment led by Juan Carlos Izpisua Belmonte, who recently created the first human-monkey chimera. A 4-week-old pig embryo carrying human stem cells, an experiment led by Juan Carlos Izpisua Belmonte, who recently created the first human-monkey chimera. Photograph: AP Human-monkey Last week, researchers led by Spanish scientist Juan Carlos Izpisua Belmonte announced they had created the first human-monkey chimera embryos in China. The purpose of the experiment is to investigate ways of using animals to grow human organs for transplants. The organs could be genetically matched by taking the recipient’s cells and reprogramming them into stem cells.
Human-pig In 2017, scientists from the Salk Institute in California (led again by Izpisua Belmonte) tried to grow the first embryos containing cells from humans and pigs. The process proved to be more challenging than expected and was very inefficient: from 2,075 implanted embryos, only 186 developed up to the 28-day time limit for the project.
Human-human American singer Taylor Muhl, who is a human chimera. Facebook Twitter Pinterest American singer Taylor Muhl, who is a human chimera. Photograph: NBC/Getty Images Chimeras also exist in the natural world. There have been a number of documented human cases. Most recently, American singer Taylor Muhl discovered she was carrying genetic material from her fraternal twin sister, whose egg had fused with hers in their mother’s womb. This explains a large section of darker skin on her torso – it comes from her sister’s DNA.
Virus chimera Chimeras can help to fight diseases. In 2017, Portuguese researchers created a chimera virus, a mouse virus with a human viral gene, which enables them to investigate new ways to treat cancer caused by human herpes virus infection. The team found out that when the cancer-causing virus loses a protein, called LANA, it also loses its ability to cause cancer.
Human-mouse In March, Japan loosened its guidelines, lifting a two-week limit on the growth of human-animal chimeras and allowing the transplantation of chimeric embryos or hybrids into animals, but not humans. Pending approval, a Japanese stem cell scientist, Hiromitsu Nakauchi, plans to insert human stem cells into mice or rats in an attempt to grow a human pancreas in the animal. As a safeguard, if too many human cells creep into the rat’s brains, the experiment will be stopped."
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Neat-o & potentially spooky!
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the coronavirus vaccine is a chimera - existing adenovirus RNA spliced with RNA for the protein spike of covid-19.
chimeras were something for the future - but that future is now.
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Quote:
The Blind Ass said: Neat-o & potentially spooky!
"The island of doctor Moreau", by HG Wells, ( 1896 ) is really creepy.
free pdf here
https://www.planetebook.com/free-ebooks/the-island-of-doctor-moreau.pdf
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the last reminded me of mindfulness in plain english
I may read bhante gunaratana now
it is spectacular because it is packed with practical advice
he sais like you dont have to do anything when you meditate
there are just hundreds of practical advices in it
all his books are so so so good
when you read it you start meditating
but if you read it again you see that you haven\t actually completed all of it
and then like you start to do what he sais
you get more to goal with the book
and the goals it sais
and then you meditate
and in case you keep meditating you get to all the goals
but some of the goals are difficult like accepting yourself completely and attaining nirvana
and fitting your perception to the words on the pages
but I suppose in case you keep meditating in case you meditate enough
for it to happen
that you will get in goal with all the goals
but Ive meditated for 5 years
and ive still not attained nirvana
anyway have a great time this fall not odin womething wrong
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